Is it me, or are even the TNA folks not impressed by Lockdown?

[GODSON]

Originally Posted by JamesSteele Also, TNA has only been around 3 years. You aren't so supposed to have this many ups and downs when you have only been around 3 years.

But their down's is not as big as people make them out to be. Sometimes people make a big deal out of nothing.

[GODSON]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight :y; Now, contrary to the semi-literate Godson's beliefs, I'm not one of the people calling out that TNA will die monthly. What I am calling out is that when even the talent in the show don't seem all that excited... You have. A fucking. Problem.

Well according to those same reports, after they heard about the meeting between Dusty/Jarrett, things became up-beat.

[James Steele]

Are you calling my video games little? My N64 and PSOne will kick your ass.

Anyway, I quit watching TNA so I could care less. I am one of the most obsessive wrestling fans you can know and I quit watching TNA. I watch the replays if I feel like it, but I'd usually rather watch a Proactive Skin Care infomercial.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by GODSON But their down's is not as big as people make them out to be. Sometimes people make a big deal out of nothing.

Their downs are enough that I barely watch anymore, and a lot of people have been turned off from the product. People they can't afford to lose.

That's a pretty BIG down. Especially for "nothing."

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by GODSON Well according to those same reports, after they heard about the meeting between Dusty/Jarrett, things became up-beat.

And being unable to pay the worlers? This isalso nothign, I presume.

[olympic hitman]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight Their downs are enough that I barely watch anymore, and a lot of people have been turned off from the product. People they can't afford to lose. That's a pretty BIG down. Especially for "nothing."

So,basically, you go from asking if I watch the product, to saying it's not worth watching anymore? And I'm the one who contradicts myself? Hardly.

To answer your earlier post, yes, I do watch TNA[which I believe I said that like 3 posts before you even asked]. I know TNA has talent. The problem is, the six guys I listed earlier are the only ones with name recognition and name value. Not too many people will buy a PPV with Petey Williams vs. David Young as the main event. Why? No one knows who they are[except people like me, who watch on a weekly basis].

And to Your Hero; You asked what the point was of having WWE stars come over and job to TNA stars would be? Obviously, that won't happen ALL the time. I don't think if Matt Hardy or Rhyno came over, they would lose all the time, as that wouldn't make sense. What I am saying, is that a guy with the name value of a Rhyno or Matt Hardy losing to a new upcomer in TNA[such as Monty Brown, AJ Styles, or Petey Williams] would help build TNA some established stars. After beating guys like Rhyno or Hardy, TNA guys would then be known. That was my entire point above, which was simply taken out of context.

And concerning the whole "I don't give a damn" thing. I was simply being *sarcastic*. Where's the humor? Geez. I think people take themselves a little TOO seriously for their own good.....

[Loose Cannon]

LOL, A guy like Matt Hardy or Rhyno losing to anybody on TNA WOULD NOT HELP ANYONE. You really think Matt Hardy and Rhyno can establish someone? And you really think Rhyno has more name value then AJ Styles? Why cause he jobbed a billion times on Smackdown?

"After Beating guys like Rhyno or Hardy, TNA guys would be known"

Are you watching the same Matt Hardy and Rhyno as me here?

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by olympic hitman So,basically, you go from asking if I watch the product, to saying it's not worth watching anymore? And I'm the one who contradicts myself? Hardly.

No, I asked if you even watched it because your statement was incorrect. Or at least, poorly worded.

I then made a separate statement about my opinion of the state of TNA, which was unrelated. That you are digging this deep to try and prove something is truly sad. That you can't seem to grasp how poor your connection is, moreso.

[Mr. JL]

Hahaha, TNA fucking sucks these days.

I used to be a big fan but the product has sucked so much. They have so many fucking problems with their roster and broadcast team, not too mention the booking/writers/creative department are fucking smoking crack.

Diamond Dallas Page, Dustin Rhodes, Jeff Hardy, Kevin Nash, Outlaw, Scott Hall, Sean Waltman should never have been signed. I'm a fan of all of them but I feel that they should only be making one shot deal appearences or matches in order to grab some casuals attentions. They should not be regulars.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Mr. JL Hahaha, TNA fucking sucks these days. I used to be a big fan but the product has sucked so much. They have so many fucking problems with their roster and broadcast team, not too mention the booking/writers/creative department are fucking smoking crack. Diamond Dallas Page, Dustin Rhodes, Jeff Hardy, Kevin Nash, Outlaw, Scott Hall, Sean Waltman should never have been signed. I'm a fan of all of them but I feel that they should only be making one shot deal appearences or matches in order to grab some casuals attentions. They should not be regulars.

Out of them, I would have only really signed one guy fulltime, and given him a bit of a push. Jeff Hardy. Now, I'm not a fan of him, but he has appeal to screaming teenage girls and half the fags on TPWW. I think using him right, you could establish a fanbase of screaming fanboys and fangirls who would have at least some efffect on the ratings.

The problem is, even booked right, you'd still need to give them a reason to stay.

That's TNA's biggest problem. Even if they could get the Rock to show up, the booking that's gone on would drive people off after a couple of weeks. The people who tant to see Hardy don't want to see him fed to Jarrett, or a long JJ title reign.

No more than the rest of us.

And the same goes for the upper card being choked with aging relics. The only people who want this are the guys looking to collect a check from it.

Hardy should've stayed in the X-Div anyway, instead of a title shot. It sets the bar too high for him, especially knowing JJ would win.

but I've gotten off topic.

For the most part, I agree with your statement. These guys shouldn't be signed. They're trying hard to pull the same coup that WCW did, but they're using people without the contemporary power. TNA blows, and I watch some of the matches, but barely remember the last show already. It's on par with Heat right now. You might see one good match, or occasionally one that BLOWS YOU AWAY, but more commonly, it's the pounce, JJ on the mic, or some aging rehab victim.

But whatever. If they want to sink themselves, who am I to complain?

[olympic hitman]

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon LOL, A guy like Matt Hardy or Rhyno losing to anybody on TNA WOULD NOT HELP ANYONE. You really think Matt Hardy and Rhyno can establish someone? And you really think Rhyno has more name value then AJ Styles? Why cause he jobbed a billion times on Smackdown? "After Beating guys like Rhyno or Hardy, TNA guys would be known" Are you watching the same Matt Hardy and Rhyno as me here?

Try to stay with me here guys, as I will try to explain this AGAIN;

While I do realize Hardy & Rhyno have been made jobbers for the latter part of their careers, they HAVE been established names. Can anyone dispute the fact that Rhyno is a former ECW Champion? No. Can anyone dispute the fact that Matt Hardy has been WWE Tag Team Champ & WWE Cruiserweight Champ? No. So, once again, we have a slight twisting of logic......BIG SHOCKER there, as every time I post, there are a mob of people trying to twist around what I actually said for what they understood it to be[which seemingly seems to be two VERY seperate things].

Originally Posted by Kane Knight No, I asked if you even watched it because your statement was incorrect. Or at least poorly worded.

Once again, this is a classic case of you think you know everything. My statement was "poorly worded". Which statement? The one about TNA having basically NO established known stars[which they don't] or the one where the TNA made stars aren't established enough[which they aren't, which is the main reason why people DON'T watch, along with bad booking by Big Dust, Dusty Rhodes].

Funny, the only other thing I even talked about besides the established stars topic was the fact that @ LockDown all the matches will be in "Six Sides of Steel". So, basically, there was NOTHING in the post that was incorrect, nor worded "poorly". If you ask me, I think you have some issues about insecurity with your own intelligence, hence the reason you go around calling others "fuckwits" "retarded" or other choice phrases. Talk about your Inferiority complexes.....

Originally Posted by Kane Knight I then made a seperate statement about my opinion of TNA, which was unrelated. That you are digging this deep to try and prove something is truly sad. That you can't seem to grasp how poor your connection is, moreso

Once again, I'm NOT trying to prove anything to YOU. In all my above posts, I was simply stating "my opinion on TNA, which was unrelated" to proving anything to you. You seem to have a pattern of trying to focus your energies on making me look dumb. Which clearly I'm NOT. I have debated you with FACT upon each topic within this thread. If you go back and look at my earlier posts, you will see everything relates to TNA & the LockDown PPV. You, on the other hand, have once again turned the focus from the actual topic, to wanting to make me look idiotic[failed again btw ]. Trust me, you cannot say I haven't used solid facts in this topic. I will agree, in the "Jesus" topic I did make a few comments that were unfounded in fact, which once again, you jumped all over and tried to make the whole board take notice of how "idiotic" you think I am. I watch TNA probably more than you do, pal. So, when I say something about the product, I know what I'm talking about. So, how does that make my "connection poor"? Doesn't make sense and further proves my point about your inferiority complex on the intelligence issue.

[Kane Knight]

Oh God, now he's trying to pull the "know it all" card on me.

Jesus fucking Christ, why are you chomping at the bit so hard to try and prove me wrong?

[Londoner]

Cos he hates you. Oh and hes one of those internet 'tough guys'....

[olympic hitman]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight Oh God, now he's trying to pull the "know it all" card on me. Jesus fucking Christ, why are you chomping at the bit so hard to try and prove me wrong?

I'm not pulling the "know it all" card on ya, I'm simply pointing out the obvious, as you seem to be the one hell-bent on making me look inferior to you, hence, making you the "know-it-all". Correct?

I don't really consider myself "chomping at the bit to prove you wrong". I'm just calling them as I see them.

I respect you. You don't seem to realize that. I respect you because you have basically been the only one that even puts forth an effort to intelligently debate around here. However, I disrespect your flaming of other people. As I've stated on numerous occasions before, if you disagree with me, fine. Just don't expect me to sit back after you have called me[personally] a "fuckwit" or "moron" or other choice phrases to make yourself feel better. In the "Jesus" thread, you pretty much owned me. I'll be the first to admit it. But, as far as this thread is concerned, I've done my homework[so to speak, as I am a HUGE TNA fan. I think their brand is better wrestling-wise than WWE]. As I've stated before, I'm not perfect. Neither is anyone else here though. It's just a shame you don't show others the respect that they show you, as memory serves me correctly, you began calling me names first & not the other way around. Other than that, I don't have a problem with ya.....

So, lighten up

[John la Rock]

so who's going to lose to Jarrett?

[Loose Cannon]

Originally Posted by olympic hitman What I am saying, is that a guy with the name value of a Rhyno or Matt Hardy losing to a new upcomer in TNA[such as Monty Brown, AJ Styles, or Petey Williams] would help build TNA some established stars. After beating guys like Rhyno or Hardy, TNA guys would then be known.

UMMMM, I was looking at this comment right here. What I gather from this is that You seem to think TNA guys would become more known and established if they beat Matt Hardy or Rhyno. Is that not what you typed?

If it is, I still hold my other reply to your statement.

[Loose Cannon]

Originally Posted by olympic hitman you have basically been the only one that even puts forth an effort to intelligently debate around here.

LOL, how long have you been here? A week

And about 5 other guys debated you in that other thread

[Savio]

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon LOL, I wonder what their reactions will be when they realize they just aired a PPV with 7 cage matches

What? on TV?

[olympic hitman]

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon LOL, how long have you been here? A week And about 5 other guys debated you in that other thread

Yes, I've been here something like a week.

However, the other 5 guys that debated were basically Knight clones and were saying almost EXACTLY the same thing, which is the reason I said he was the only one intelligently debating me. It doesn't take alot of effort to see two guys debating a topic and then coming in and saying what one has already said, as it serves no purpose.

And yes, I was saying that if a wrestler such as Rhyno or Matt Hardy lost to a TNA guy, it would then give the TNA established guy more credibility as a threat. That's generally the way it works; lesser known star defeats more well-known star and becomes a known star in the process. Right?

[Kane Knight]

Actually,. knowing more than you doesn't make me a know it all.

Hell, it doesn't even prove that I'm reasonably intelligent. I don't think someone needs to know much to be more intelligent or knowledgeable than you.

Case in point...If you immediately jump to the conclusion that I must be a know it all because I'm trying to argue with you, you are assuming a huge jump.

[Loose Cannon]

No, that's not the way it works. IT only works when the guy who's putting you over has more credibility then you. If you think a guy like RHYNO, who was ECW Champion when the company was at it's lowest point and who has been seen on Velocty jobbing quite a few times, has more star power then AJ Styles, Monty Brown etc... then you need to go back and look at the history of wrestling.

Cast aways from the WWE coming over to TNA after being fired by WWE makes them look like 2nd rate workers. How is that helping anybody?

As an example, when Justin Credible came to the WWE after his ECW stint and pinned Scotty 2 Hotty on Raw, who by your standards was a bigger star then JC because he was in WWE and more known, did JC become more established? No. Why? Because nobody cared about Scotty 2 Hotty and he wasn't established himself.

[Kane Knight]

The fact that 5 "clones" agreed with me, or the fact that we're arguing with better reasonaing than you should tell you something.

Instead, you cry conspiracy.

[PureHatred]

Originally Posted by PureHatred don't post

[olympic hitman]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight Actually,. knowing more than you doesn't make me a know it all. Hell, it doesn't even prove that I'm reasonably intelligent. I don't think someone needs to know much to be more intelligent or knowledgeable than you. Case in point...If you immediately jump to the conclusion that I must be a know it all because I'm trying to argue with you, you are assuming a huge jump.

No, the fact that you value your own opinion over mine or anyone else's makes you a "know-it-all". That's not a huge leap, seeing as you do seem to be you're biggest fan.

And once again, you take a cheap shot at my intelligence, geez, talk about someone who's "chomping at the bit"? If you have nothing to prove, why do you keep taking cheap shots at me and then saying I know nothing? Exactly .

The "5 clones" thing was mentioned because basically everyone agreed with ya. So, in a way, they are conforming to your way of thinking and not using their own brain. Facts are facts. Knight says something, in comes Pure Hatred breaking his arm to pat his back and agree. Then, comes another. And another. That's why I even brought it up....


And to Loose Cannon; Yes, it does work the way I described. So, if we follow your logic, if Hassan beats Batista, it's irrelevant and no one would care What I said was simply enough; when a lesser known star[say an AJ Styles] wins over an already established WWE star[Matt Hardy] that would give him more credibility. I say this because comparing TNA talent as being "over" with WWE talent being "over" are two very different things. Most fans don't even watch TNA. The bigger variety of fans probably only watch WWE. This is why I said if Hardy[or Rhyno] went to TNA, they could make the already established TNA star more credible.....

[Kane Knight]

I love you.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by olympic hitman No, the fact that you value your own opinion over mine or anyone else's makes you a "know-it-all".

Actually, all it makes me is human. Everyone argues their own opinion, dumbass.

[PureHatred]

Just want to say, me making it a point to disagree with olympic hitman has less to do with agreeing with KK and more to do with oh's statements in the "Jesus" thread.

That is all.

[Loose Cannon]

OMG, are you kidding me? Did you not read my post or what? I'll even quote it

IT only works when the guy who's putting you over has more credibility then you

Now, does Batista have more credibility then Hassan right now Sherlock? YES YES YES. So it works. I swear you get more ignorant as you type.

Nice though

AJ Styles pinning Matt Hardy, who hasn't been seen in god knows how long, has never been a draw, has never main evented, has never won the IC Title, hasn't been over in about 2 years and was just fired by the WWE, is not going to do a DAM THING for AJ.

[olympic hitman]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight Actually, all it makes me is human. Everyone argues their own opinion, dumbass.

I think you mean "values their own opinion" don't you? And I'm the "dumbass"?

[olympic hitman]

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon OMG, are you kidding me? Did you not read my post or what? I'll even quote it Now, does Batista have more credibility then Hassan right now Sherlock? YES YES YES. So it works. I swear you get more ignorant as you type. Nice though AJ Styles pinning Matt Hardy, who hasn't been seen in god knows how long, has never been a draw, has never main evented, has never won the IC Title, hasn't been over in about 2 years and was just fired by the WWE, is not going to do a DAM THING for AJ.

While AJ may hold more actual wins than Hardy, Hardy IS a bigger star, as the WWE is a bigger organazation than TNA. This was my point. If Hardy were brought in TNA and won some and was pushed into a feud with AJ and AJ won, how would that hurt his credibility? I rest my case.

And the amount of people who take shots at people being "ignorant" is simply astounding. You'd think this board is nothing but 2 and 3 year olds the way people choose to call names instead of logically debating......

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by PureHatred Just want to say, me making it a point to disagree with olympic hitman has less to do with agreeing with KK and more to do with oh's statements in the "Jesus" thread. That is all.

Considering the number of people who bashed OH that "hate" me, yes. I'd say it's a no brainer to presume it's less because they want to agree with me, and more because he was being totally stupid.

Then again, Hero, BDC, and a couple of others put forth some good arguments. IF they were saying the same thing as me, it makes me feel like my own words had more meaning. After all, Hero was very reaosnable and insightful. BDC was to-the-point.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by olympic hitman I think you mean "values their own opinion" don't you? And I'm the "dumbass"?

No, they argue their own opinion, the same as you argue a point.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=argue

ar·gue ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ärgy)
v. ar·gued, ar·gu·ing, ar·gues
v. tr.

1. To put forth reasons for or against; debate: “It is time to stop arguing tax-rate reductions and to enact them” (Paul Craig Roberts).
2. To attempt to prove by reasoning; maintain or contend: The speaker argued that more immigrants should be admitted to the country.
3. To give evidence of; indicate: “Similarities cannot always be used to argue descent” (Isaac Asimov).
4. To persuade or influence (another), as by presenting reasons: argued the clerk into lowering the price.

v. intr.

1. To put forth reasons for or against something: argued for dismissal of the case; argued against an immediate counterattack.
2. To engage in a quarrel; dispute.

You see, genius, you can argue FOR something just as easily as against. Once again, you have tried to take a cheap shot, and come out looking like a fucking retard.

In other words...

Originally Posted by olympic hitman And I'm the "dumbass"?

Yes, you are.

[PureHatred]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight Considering the number of people who bashed OH that "hate" me, yes. I'd say it's a no brainer to presume it's less because they want to agree with me, and more because he was being totally stupid. Then again, Hero, BDC, and a couple of others put forth some good arguments. IF they were saying the same thing as me, it makes me feel like my own words had more meaning. After all, Hero was very reaosnable and insightful. BDC was to-the-point.

HAH! As if BDC and Hero's use of logic and reason were any match to olympic hitman's "Smiley Face Wall of DOOOOOOOM!!!

[Loose Cannon]

No, you're point was Hardy and Rhyno would establish the TNA guys and get them over. Saying Hardy is a bigger star then AJ because Hardy worked in WWE means nothing. What if Bob Holly went to TNA and worked a feud with AJ. Would AJ get over because he pinned Holly?

Now if Brock Lesner came to TNA and AJ pinned him, then that would defintely give AJ a nice rub.

I never said it would hurt anybody's credibility pertaining to Hardy vs AJ, but it would DO NOTHING for anyone

And you completely were ignorant to my post and actually tried to argue that I thought Hassan beating Batista would do nothing for Hassan. Hence the Ignorant part

[PureHatred]

Originally Posted by olympic hitman While AJ may hold more actual wins than Hardy, Hardy IS a bigger star, as the WWE is a bigger organazation than TNA. This was my point. If Hardy were brought in TNA and won some and was pushed into a feud with AJ and AJ won, how would that hurt his credibility? I rest my case.

I'm sure LC will point this out, but the only people who watch TNA are wrestling fans. Wrestling fans who watch the WWE. Wrestling fans who know that both Rhyno and Hardy have been glorified jobbers for much of the last few years.

They all know that AJ Styles is a much bigger star than either of them.

Don't get me wrong, Hardy is talented and he would be a good addition to their roster if they gave him a push, but he's not going to generate any mainstream interest or make the TNA guys more well known. He'll contribute; just not in that way.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by PureHatred HAH! As if BDC and Hero's use of logic and reason were any match to olympic hitman's "Smiley Face Wall of DOOOOOOOM!!!

Yeah, he jumps right from no selling logic to the "ignorance stunner."

[SuperSlim]

OK I got lost in here. so what is the argument in the thread now? OH threw me off with some idiotic logic

[olympic hitman]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight Yeah, he jumps right from no selling logic to the "ignorance stunner."

Oh, that's right, Kane Knight is the almighty know-it-all of TPWW. He's never made a mistake before and never will....

When I said "you mean 'values' opinion instead of argues" I thought you meant arguing against your own, which was my bad, as I was kinda reading pretty fast and took it out of context, and of course, you've never done this before, so, moving right along

Originally Posted by SuperSlim OK. I got lost in here. so what is the arguement in the thread now? OH threw me off with some idiotic logic

It's nice to see at least ONE person who thinks my opinion[not me personally] is "idiotic". But, you shouldn't reply unless you know WHAT you're replyin' about Slim. And I disagree. I have said NOTHING to make my logic seem anything resembling "idiotic". The arguement started out as why people weren't interested in TNA LockDown PPV[the next TNA PPV]. Then, somehow, your friend and ours, KK, took it off-topic by claiming I knew nothing[which was wrong]. I watch TNA and know the product as well as anyone else here.

And then we have the whole credibility issue; Certain people in here[Loose Cannon] have been arguing the credibility issue. I was saying if Rhyno or Matt Hardy came over to TNA and lost to some of their future stars[such as Monty Brown, AJ Styles, Petey Williams] that it would help establish them. Now, apparently, LC assumed that I meant Rhyno & Hardy would debut in TNA losing their matches[which would make NO sense at all]. I made the whole Hassan/Batista analogy for a reason; Hassan symbolizes AJ Styles; he has wins, but, isn't really established[even though he's been TNA Champ, he's virtually not as well-known as Hardy or Rhyno].

Batista; obviously symbolizes Rhyno or Hardy; Both have big wins over WWE's top stars. Example; Rhyno has beaten The Rock, Jericho,Benoit, etc. Hardy has beaten basically all major tag teams and most of the Cruiserweights[which would come in handy in TNA's X-Division] and even a match vs. Kane.

Thus, was the reason for me saying Rhyno or Hardy losing to TNA stars would help establish them even more and would also make them stars. Now, LC says that Hardy & Rhyno were jobbers in the latter part of their careers. That bears no actual relevance to my point here. If Hardy or Rhyno were beaten by TNA's future stars, it would establish them as being better than former WWE stars. The belief by most current wrestling fans is that the WWE product is better than TNA's. So, if a TNA star were to win over a former WWE star, it totally makes TNA look like the better product[in a way]. Look at Raven as an example; he was a jobber his whole WWE career. Yet, when a TNA star wins over Raven, it helps further their credibility, as Raven is widely respected as one of the best wrestlers of all-time. We all know Hardy & Rhyno are very-talented as well. So, all this stands to reason for my earlier statement. >RANT OVER<

[Loose Cannon]

Oh Boy!

Originally Posted by olympic hitman Now, apparently, LC assumed that I meant Rhyno & Hardy would debut in TNA losing their matches[which would make NO sense at all

Originally Posted by olympic hitman Thus, was the reason for me saying Rhyno or Hardy losing to TNA stars would help establish them even more and would also make them stars.

Look at your own statements before saying anything. Let's get a little consistency here.

Originally Posted by olympic hero LC says that Hardy & Rhyno were jobbers in the latter part of their careers. That bears no actual relevance to my point here. If Hardy or Rhyno were beaten by TNA's future stars, it would establish them as being better than former WWE stars.

Again, are Hardy and Rhyno losing or not?

Originally Posted by Olympic hero The belief by most current wrestling fans is that the WWE product is better than TNA's. So, if a TNA star were to win over a former WWE star, it totally makes TNA look like the better product[in a way]. Look at Raven as an example; he was a jobber his whole WWE career. Yet, when a TNA star wins over Raven, it helps further their credibility, as Raven is widely respected as one of the best wrestlers of all-time. We all know Hardy & Rhyno are very-talented as well. So, all this stands to reason for my earlier statement. >RANT OVER<

LOL, you really believe Raven got someone over? You serious? Who? Who in TNA has been drawing a crowd and has been made into a superstar because of Raven? Raven being the best wrestlers of all-time is your opinion and I would heavily disagree

This is my favorite

Originally Posted by olympic hero Batista; obviously symbolizes Rhyno or Hardy; Both have big wins over WWE's top stars. Example; Rhyno has beaten The Rock, Jericho,Benoit, etc. Hardy has beaten basically all major tag teams and most of the Cruiserweights[which would come in handy in TNA's X-Division] and even a match vs. Kane.

Batista IS ACTUALLY A DRAW and Rhyno and Hardy were never and will never be.

AJ Styles symbolizes Christian because they both wear hoods, right?

I don't even remember Rhyno beating Jericho or Rock, so you think the casual fan is going too? And the wins were probably fluke wins, especially The Rock one. OOOO, Hardy has beaten tag teams and Crusierweights. Yea, he's sure to get someone over and establish them.

You job someone as much as Hardy and Rhyno jobbed during their final days, you cut their legs out from underneath them.

Case In Point: Taz, Mike Awesome, DDP, Booker T, Kane. Just to name a few

All these guys jobbed so much, whether it be in WWF or WCW, that their putting people over value greatly dropped and now they are not seen as guys that can establish anybody anymore. These guys could of helped make people, but jobbing them countless times hurt that.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by olympic hitman Oh, that's right, Kane Knight is the almighty know-it-all of TPWW. He's never made a mistake before and never will....

There he goes again, being ignorant.

Jumps right over my comments on the "know-it-all" nonsense, and tries to hit an ignorance stunner with "Oh, like you've never made a mistake."

Dude, you won't even admit to the myriad times you've fucked up. You seriously crack me up by pretending that the issue of me "thinking I'm perfect" is actually one that you can score points with.

It's also cute how easily offended you are.