New Baseball Offseason Thread. - Page 2

**VonErich Lives** · 12-11-2003, 02:18 PM

Nomar turned down 15mil a year... Nomar is under contract for next season, he doesn't have much of a say in it.

I think Detroit figures Tejada will put some butts in the seats, I thought I heard Seattle offered Tejada around 8-9mil/year. Last I heard Detroit is willing to top anyone, the question is does he want money or money and a chance to win a championship.

If Tejada gets say 10mil a year, Nomar won't get no 15mil.

**DegenerationY** · 12-11-2003, 03:32 PM

The Giants got rid of Ponson after they realized that he did not fit with the Giants.

He was pretty bad, and I think he would only be decent in the AL.

**The Outlaw** · 12-11-2003, 04:04 PM

....Ponson came from the AL.

And Sheffield commented on the situation last night at the Florida - MD game (LOL at florida getting ****ed)

he said there was just a bump in the road and he is pumped about playing for the Yankees.

He was with Darryl Strawberry watching Darryl's son, DJ. pretty good ballplayer.

**VonErich Lives** · 12-11-2003, 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Outlaw

....Ponson came from the AL.

And Sheffield commented on the situation last night at the Florida - MD game (LOL at florida getting ****ed)

he said there was just a bump in the road and he is pumped about playing for the Yankees.

He was with Darryl Strawberry watching Darryl's son, DJ. pretty good ballplayer.

The reports from ESPN was Sheffield did his own contract, then read it over and realised when all was said/done he'd only be getting like 8-9mil a year.

I think the questions are around interest on deferred money.

**Bad Guy** · 12-11-2003, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon

if one of your best pitchers is Nate Cornejo, you have a problem.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 12-11-2003, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Outlaw

....Ponson came from the AL.

And Sheffield commented on the situation last night at the Florida - MD game (LOL at florida getting ****ed)

he said there was just a bump in the road and he is pumped about playing for the Yankees.

He was with Darryl Strawberry watching Darryl's son, DJ. pretty good ballplayer.

It was so funny when the crowd was going "Darrrrrrrrrrrrrrrryyyyyyyyylllllllllle darrrrrrrrrrrrryyyyyylllllleeeeeeeeee" whenever DJ got into the game.

**BCWWF** · 12-11-2003, 10:19 PM

I heard there was some talk of Florida being interested in Vlad? That would be cool but I don't think its very credible.

As for my comment up there about Baltimore, I just think it kind of sucks for them because they got a bunch of money to spend right at the time when Boston and New York do too. So adding a few good players to Baltimore now still would be almost impossible to beat both New York and Boston, or even one of them. If they can start winning again it will help them a lot, but this is going to be like the hardest year in a while to win the AL East. And especially with Boston the Wildcard would be hard too. Anyway, go Orioles!

**The Outlaw** · 12-12-2003, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by sTiMa34

It was so funny when the crowd was going "Darrrrrrrrrrrrrrrryyyyyyyyylllllllllle darrrrrrrrrrrrryyyyyylllllleeeeeeeeee" whenever DJ got into the game.

yeah that was crazy.

Did you see his dunk? SICKKKK

**VonErich Lives** · 12-12-2003, 02:46 PM

Everyone thinks Vlad ends up in Baltimore, and Baltimore gets a good price for a great player. They have money to spend and the big spenders NY and Bos, won't be going after him.

A-Rod says theres a lot of smoke but no fire. He thinks he'll be in Texas.

I'd expect him to say that, he's a smart player and knows if he doesn't get delt, he can't piss of the Texas fans, because it kills his endorsment value.

He knows he has a better chance to win and make more money on endorsements, in Boston.

That being said, there's talk that the Dodgers are going after Nomar and if the Sox don't get A-rod, they will still deal Nomar (keep Manny) and go after Tejada.

12-12-2003, 06:22 PM

jays sign Miguel Batista! They may give the yanks and sox a run. (yeah right) but it's nice to dream.

**The Icon of Elisim** · 12-12-2003, 08:13 PM

Batista isn't a bad pick up but I think that they set their hopes a bit too high on him. Ricardi was on the score today and figured he'd be their number 2 guy, feels like they're asking quite of him

**VonErich Lives** · 12-13-2003, 02:24 PM

Peter Gammons is reporting the Sox have signed Keith Foulke.

**Yashamaga** · 12-13-2003, 02:27 PM

WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FOULKE

*orgasm*

**Sensei Of Mattitude** · 12-13-2003, 02:43 PM

Anyone read the trade rumor (which was disputed heavily by Phillies GM Ed Wade...) between The Rangers, Red Sox, and Phillies.

Rangers would get: Manny Ramirez (BOS) and Jimmy Rollins (PHI)
Red Sox would get: Alex Rodrigeuz (TEX) and Bobby Abreu (PHI)
Phillies would get: Nomar Garciaparra (BOS) and Trot Nixon (BOS)

Interesting trade. Phillies upgrade at SS but I'm not sure on Trot's defense. I do know that Bobby Abreu dogs it in the field sometimes. The trade would also the Phillies more of a righthanded hitting team, Rollins is a switch and Abreu is left but so is Trot. I think that Red Sox would come away with a steal if they got both Abreu and A-Rod. Thats intense.

Buts it not going to happen.

By The Way.... Tim Worrell signed 2 Year, $6Million Contract. Someone wanted to know his contract numbers

**Sensei Of Mattitude** · 12-13-2003, 02:50 PM

The Orioles will sign Guerrero and either Pudge or Javy Lopez. If the Marlins couldn't sign Pudge what makes them believe they can get Vlad?

**Yashamaga** · 12-13-2003, 02:52 PM

Nah I doubt they will trade Foulke. He's really clutch and a big part of the clubhouse, plus he's homegrown.

**Yashamaga** · 12-13-2003, 02:52 PM

*Trot

still excited about Keithy

12-13-2003, 02:54 PM

Ok now I'm starting to get a little worried. Poor A's they lose the best closer in 2002 the next year and the best closer in 2003 the next year. WTF is that.

Well the Yankees will just counter with something again.

12-13-2003, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Sensei Of Mattitude

The Orioles will sign Guerrero and either Pudge or Javy Lopez. If the Marlins couldn't sign Pudge what makes them believe they can get Vlad?

Yeah I'm almost convinced Vlad's going to Baltimore and Tejada's going to Seattle.

**Sensei Of Mattitude** · 12-13-2003, 03:51 PM

Foulke is no Billy Wagner. Believe that!

**Yashamaga** · 12-13-2003, 04:32 PM

The Phillies still suck. Believe that!

12-13-2003, 04:54 PM

i feel so bad for my jays. in any another division that'd be contenders for the pennant, but they have to compete with the yanks and sox

**VonErich Lives** · 12-13-2003, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sensei Of Mattitude

The Orioles will sign Guerrero and either Pudge or Javy Lopez. If the Marlins couldn't sign Pudge what makes them believe they can get Vlad?

They'd spend more on Vlad then Pudge. A lot of people question his value, 10yr is a long life for a catcher, after that they look to 1st or DH, and I'm not sure Pudge as a Hitter is worth 10mil a year, especially in this market.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 12-13-2003, 08:45 PM

Foulkeeeeeeeeeee

Timlin and Williamson coming out of the pen to set up

I dunno....If the Sox can't get A-Rod I don't think they should be moving around Nomar or Manny. Even if they DO get A-Rod..why don't they just keep Nomar one more year and move him to 3rd, and Mueller to 2nd? That'd be a ridiculous line up.

Sure they have to "look" to the future but fuck that, do the what the Marlins did a few years ago and just break the bank for one season and win the World Series.

Anddd I still do not understand why they put Manny on waivers earlier this year

**DegenerationY** · 12-14-2003, 05:42 AM

Holy shit, Boston is going to win the Series next season.

They can't NOT win it with their new roster.

**Bad Guy** · 12-14-2003, 06:38 AM

Apparently the Tigers signed someone today (didn't catch a name) and the ESPN guys were joking around, "They're going all the way." I hope they do go all the way to make Van Pelt or whatever the hell his name is look dumb.

**MoRcHeEbA** · 12-14-2003, 07:16 AM

I doubt anyone on the tigers has even gone all the way with their wifes.

**Bad Guy** · 12-14-2003, 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoRcHeEbA

I doubt anyone on the tigers has even gone all the way with their wifes.

Tramell went all the way in 1984.

**VonErich Lives** · 12-14-2003, 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sTiMa34

Foulkeeeeeeeeeee

Timlin and Williamson coming out of the pen to set up

I dunno....If the Sox can't get A-Rod I don't think they should be moving around Nomar or Manny. Even if they DO get A-Rod..why don't they just keep Nomar one more year and move him to 3rd, and Mueller to 2nd? That'd be a ridiculous line up.

Sure they have to "look" to the future but fuck that, do the what the Marlins did a few years ago and just break the bank for one season and win the World Series.

Anddd I still do not understand why they put Manny on waivers earlier this year

Williamson may get delt, theres also a rumor he wants a shot at the #5 spot.

I doube Nomar will stay, they don't want another Clemens/Vaughn where a top player walks and they get nothing.

I'd expect to still see him delt and them go after Tejada, unless Nomar changes his demands "money". Last report was he turned down the 4x15mil cause he wants 4x17mil.

Now, I think the sox have 4x12mil on the table.

**Yashamaga** · 12-14-2003, 08:05 PM

Breaking News Tejada signs with the Orioles 6 year 54 mill.

12-14-2003, 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yashamaga

Breaking News Tejada signs with the Orioles 6 year 54 mill.

Wow, didn't see that one coming. Thats a HUGE HUGE pickup for the up and coming O'S. They need a solid starter though if they ever are going to make a push.

**Yashamaga** · 12-14-2003, 08:36 PM

they're gonna need Vlad Tejada AND Pudge before they even thing about making it out of the AL East alive

**Yashamaga** · 12-14-2003, 08:48 PM

the Dodgers got Juan Encarnation from the Marlins. also, Mike Cameron signed w/ the mets

and in a smaller deal, a 3 way, the Jays get Justin Spier, Rockies get Joe Kennedy, and D-rays get mark hendrickson.

**BCWWF** · 12-14-2003, 09:02 PM

I dont know if this has been up there yet but the Mets got Mike Cameron

Any talk of the Twins getting Urbina is on hold unless they move Jacque Jones. He would likely go to the Padre's for someone like Peavy. Personally I would rather have Jacque.

**BCWWF** · 12-14-2003, 09:05 PM

Also, who did the A's lose after 2002? I cant remember correctly, but if you are referring to Billy Koch I will kill you.

(And if you had the wrong date, Jason Isringhausen is barely the best closer in the league)

**Yashamaga** · 12-14-2003, 09:52 PM

yeah he must have been talkiing about koch

koch lol

**Crimson** · 12-14-2003, 10:03 PM

Stupid Dodgers haven't done crap. They shoulda gone after Tejada, damn idiots.

12-14-2003, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BCWWF

Also, who did the A's lose after 2002? I cant remember correctly, but if you are referring to Billy Koch I will kill you.

(And if you had the wrong date, Jason Isringhausen is barely the best closer in the league)

Koch was the best closer in 2002. He had like 40+ saves and won the relief award. Granted he sucked in 2003, but all I WAS saying was he was the best in 2002.

**MoRcHeEbA** · 12-14-2003, 11:30 PM

well third place should have somewhat of a race with Baltimore and Toronto now.

**VonErich Lives** · 12-15-2003, 03:53 AM

yeah, the A's are I think the only team in history to have 3 different guys save 40games 3 years in a row.

Talk is the O's are going to sign Vlad and may even go after Pudge or another catcher.

If the O's make those moves, it wouldn't shock me if they gave the Sox/Yanks a run.

12-11-2003, 02:18 PM	#41
VonErich Lives WTF do you want? Posts: 14,760	Nomar turned down 15mil a year... Nomar is under contract for next season, he doesn't have much of a say in it. I think Detroit figures Tejada will put some butts in the seats, I thought I heard Seattle offered Tejada around 8-9mil/year. Last I heard Detroit is willing to top anyone, the question is does he want money or money and a chance to win a championship. If Tejada gets say 10mil a year, Nomar won't get no 15mil.

12-11-2003, 03:32 PM	#42
DegenerationY WARRIORS Posts: 9,414	The Giants got rid of Ponson after they realized that he did not fit with the Giants. He was pretty bad, and I think he would only be decent in the AL.

12-11-2003, 04:04 PM	#43
The Outlaw Unofficial Legend Posts: 11,931	....Ponson came from the AL. And Sheffield commented on the situation last night at the Florida - MD game (LOL at florida getting ****ed) he said there was just a bump in the road and he is pumped about playing for the Yankees. He was with Darryl Strawberry watching Darryl's son, DJ. pretty good ballplayer.

12-11-2003, 10:19 PM	#47
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	I heard there was some talk of Florida being interested in Vlad? That would be cool but I don't think its very credible. As for my comment up there about Baltimore, I just think it kind of sucks for them because they got a bunch of money to spend right at the time when Boston and New York do too. So adding a few good players to Baltimore now still would be almost impossible to beat both New York and Boston, or even one of them. If they can start winning again it will help them a lot, but this is going to be like the hardest year in a while to win the AL East. And especially with Boston the Wildcard would be hard too. Anyway, go Orioles!

12-12-2003, 02:46 PM	#49
VonErich Lives WTF do you want? Posts: 14,760	Everyone thinks Vlad ends up in Baltimore, and Baltimore gets a good price for a great player. They have money to spend and the big spenders NY and Bos, won't be going after him. A-Rod says theres a lot of smoke but no fire. He thinks he'll be in Texas. I'd expect him to say that, he's a smart player and knows if he doesn't get delt, he can't piss of the Texas fans, because it kills his endorsment value. He knows he has a better chance to win and make more money on endorsements, in Boston. That being said, there's talk that the Dodgers are going after Nomar and if the Sox don't get A-rod, they will still deal Nomar (keep Manny) and go after Tejada.

12-12-2003, 06:22 PM	#50
Gertner Guest Posts: n/a	jays sign Miguel Batista! They may give the yanks and sox a run. (yeah right) but it's nice to dream.

12-12-2003, 08:13 PM	#51
The Icon of Elisim Elitist Member Posts: 15,438	Batista isn't a bad pick up but I think that they set their hopes a bit too high on him. Ricardi was on the score today and figured he'd be their number 2 guy, feels like they're asking quite of him

12-13-2003, 02:24 PM	#52
VonErich Lives WTF do you want? Posts: 14,760	Peter Gammons is reporting the Sox have signed Keith Foulke.

12-13-2003, 02:27 PM	#53
Yashamaga The Franchise Posts: 7,368	WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FOULKE orgasm

12-13-2003, 02:43 PM	#54
Sensei Of Mattitude I'd Do It For the Story Posts: 491	Anyone read the trade rumor (which was disputed heavily by Phillies GM Ed Wade...) between The Rangers, Red Sox, and Phillies. Rangers would get: Manny Ramirez (BOS) and Jimmy Rollins (PHI) Red Sox would get: Alex Rodrigeuz (TEX) and Bobby Abreu (PHI) Phillies would get: Nomar Garciaparra (BOS) and Trot Nixon (BOS) Interesting trade. Phillies upgrade at SS but I'm not sure on Trot's defense. I do know that Bobby Abreu dogs it in the field sometimes. The trade would also the Phillies more of a righthanded hitting team, Rollins is a switch and Abreu is left but so is Trot. I think that Red Sox would come away with a steal if they got both Abreu and A-Rod. Thats intense. Buts it not going to happen. By The Way.... Tim Worrell signed 2 Year, $6Million Contract. Someone wanted to know his contract numbers

12-13-2003, 02:50 PM	#55
Sensei Of Mattitude I'd Do It For the Story Posts: 491	The Orioles will sign Guerrero and either Pudge or Javy Lopez. If the Marlins couldn't sign Pudge what makes them believe they can get Vlad?

12-13-2003, 02:52 PM	#56
Yashamaga The Franchise Posts: 7,368	Nah I doubt they will trade Foulke. He's really clutch and a big part of the clubhouse, plus he's homegrown.

12-13-2003, 02:54 PM	#58
Loose Cannon Guest Posts: n/a	Ok now I'm starting to get a little worried. Poor A's they lose the best closer in 2002 the next year and the best closer in 2003 the next year. WTF is that. Well the Yankees will just counter with something again.

12-13-2003, 03:51 PM	#60
Sensei Of Mattitude I'd Do It For the Story Posts: 491	Foulke is no Billy Wagner. Believe that!

12-13-2003, 04:32 PM	#61
Yashamaga The Franchise Posts: 7,368	The Phillies still suck. Believe that!

12-13-2003, 04:54 PM	#62
Gertner Guest Posts: n/a	i feel so bad for my jays. in any another division that'd be contenders for the pennant, but they have to compete with the yanks and sox

12-13-2003, 08:45 PM	#64
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Foulkeeeeeeeeeee Timlin and Williamson coming out of the pen to set up I dunno....If the Sox can't get A-Rod I don't think they should be moving around Nomar or Manny. Even if they DO get A-Rod..why don't they just keep Nomar one more year and move him to 3rd, and Mueller to 2nd? That'd be a ridiculous line up. Sure they have to "look" to the future but fuck that, do the what the Marlins did a few years ago and just break the bank for one season and win the World Series. Anddd I still do not understand why they put Manny on waivers earlier this year

12-14-2003, 05:42 AM	#65
DegenerationY WARRIORS Posts: 9,414	Holy shit, Boston is going to win the Series next season. They can't NOT win it with their new roster.

12-14-2003, 06:38 AM	#66
Bad Guy TPWW VET Posts: 10,837	Apparently the Tigers signed someone today (didn't catch a name) and the ESPN guys were joking around, "They're going all the way." I hope they do go all the way to make Van Pelt or whatever the hell his name is look dumb.

12-14-2003, 07:16 AM	#67
MoRcHeEbA Dirty Sanchez Below Posts: 16,149	I doubt anyone on the tigers has even gone all the way with their wifes.

12-14-2003, 08:05 PM	#70
Yashamaga The Franchise Posts: 7,368	Breaking News Tejada signs with the Orioles 6 year 54 mill.

12-14-2003, 08:36 PM	#72
Yashamaga The Franchise Posts: 7,368	they're gonna need Vlad Tejada AND Pudge before they even thing about making it out of the AL East alive

12-14-2003, 08:48 PM	#73
Yashamaga The Franchise Posts: 7,368	the Dodgers got Juan Encarnation from the Marlins. also, Mike Cameron signed w/ the mets and in a smaller deal, a 3 way, the Jays get Justin Spier, Rockies get Joe Kennedy, and D-rays get mark hendrickson.

12-14-2003, 09:02 PM	#74
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	I dont know if this has been up there yet but the Mets got Mike Cameron Any talk of the Twins getting Urbina is on hold unless they move Jacque Jones. He would likely go to the Padre's for someone like Peavy. Personally I would rather have Jacque.

12-14-2003, 09:05 PM	#75
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Also, who did the A's lose after 2002? I cant remember correctly, but if you are referring to Billy Koch I will kill you. (And if you had the wrong date, Jason Isringhausen is barely the best closer in the league)

12-14-2003, 09:52 PM	#76
Yashamaga The Franchise Posts: 7,368	yeah he must have been talkiing about koch koch lol

12-14-2003, 10:03 PM	#77
Crimson Posts: 6,108	Stupid Dodgers haven't done crap. They shoulda gone after Tejada, damn idiots.

12-14-2003, 11:30 PM	#79
MoRcHeEbA Dirty Sanchez Below Posts: 16,149	well third place should have somewhat of a race with Baltimore and Toronto now.

12-15-2003, 03:53 AM	#80
VonErich Lives WTF do you want? Posts: 14,760	yeah, the A's are I think the only team in history to have 3 different guys save 40games 3 years in a row. Talk is the O's are going to sign Vlad and may even go after Pudge or another catcher. If the O's make those moves, it wouldn't shock me if they gave the Sox/Yanks a run.