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Old 05-20-2005, 04:39 PM   #41
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Well, it did seem like Padme was just in a rush. Luke... *groan gasp push* LEIA!!! *dies* Well, she does mention a bit about there still being good, but still. A traditional (even if it's a bit sappy) Padme holding the babies and saying "this one will be Luke, and this one will be Leia" would have worked better IMO, just cuz it seemed like she was just labelling things.

Then again, with her whole "lost the will the live" even though she's STILL PREGNANT thing kinda suggests that mothers can abandon their children. Unintentionally of course.


You know what else would have really made the movie? In the Wookie battle scene, have a wookie land on the gunship. One of the droids tries to hit him off, but the wookie blocks the attack by grabbing the droid's arm. Wookie chokes droid with other hand. Then the wookie pulls the droid arm out of its sockets and sends the rest of the droid's body into the other droid. Then you plan the explosive and dive into the water.

TOTAL MARK OUT MOMENT if like Chewie had torn a droid's arm out of its socket.
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Old 05-20-2005, 06:35 PM   #42
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OK...I have seen the movie 5 times now (don't bother pointing out I am a nerd I know) but along with spending 12 and a half of the past 36 hours watching it I have spent the rest of the time talking about it/standing in lines talking about it/sleeping where I was in my dreams talking about it. The point is I am not goign to make this long at all, I just wanted to know what you all thought of this rather LARGE pot hole.

Star Wars Episode III:
Padme dies just moments after giving birth to Luke and Leia...

Now here comes the kicker...

Star Wars Episode VI:
Luke: Leia, do you remember your mother, your real mother?

Leia: Just a little bit. She died when I was very young. (Understatment of the year right there.)

Luke: What do you remember?

Leia: Just images, really. Feelings.

Luke: Tell me.

Leia: She was...very beautiful. Kind...but sad. Why are you asking me this?

THE PROBLEM
How does Leia remember images of Padme, and more then that, how on God's green earth would she be able to tell if her mother was kind having been alive only for about a minute of her mother's life. And why doesn't Luke Remember if it is some sort of "Force Sight". And if Leia had seen pictures (or holograms) of her mother rowing up and knew a bit of her back story, then why would she seem as sad as she does in Return of the Jedi talking about her. The point they made in Jedi was that Leia had never fully understood her mother and her constant depression. Now would it have been so fucking hard to have Padme live through child birth and die off a year or two later after Leia is grown somewhat. NO! It's not hard, but George had to go for that dramatic funeral scene. Hell have Padme and Bail be the first people to start up the Rebellion.

But I won't bitch because Episode III was everything I hoped it would be and George has totally redeemed himself.
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Old 05-20-2005, 06:58 PM   #43
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Theres way to many holes left open. When I say that I mean there is tons of room for more films to be made if Lucas chooses so. For one, Mace Windu was not shown as actually killed. I mean you assume he's dead , but he's one of the most powerful Jedi there is. Whos to say he could fall and manage to land him self in a flying car like Annakin did in Episode 2. Thats defenitly a hole IMO. Also the fact that Obi Wun got into the tempe and changed the emergency code to say " Dont come to the temple" So that he can save the jedi's lives. Thats a hole. It means there's more Jedi's that can be introduced and have storys about. Theres a span of about 20 years between where EP3 leaves off and where EP4 starts. I'm willing to bet that lucas is gunna make 3 more episodes. Either telling the story of what happend between EP3 and EP4 or telling a whole different story . Maybe using the Luke charachter with a younger actor.

The very ending with the Qui Gon training reference Yoda had to Obi Wun. That was great. Tied in with Obi wun's "Death" in the original Star Wars.
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Old 05-20-2005, 07:21 PM   #44
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As for your 3 more Episode theory...those holes will be filled in the upcomming Star Wars TV series which Lucas will be writing and directing the first episode, after that is will be several different people.
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Star Wars Episode III:
Padme dies just moments after giving birth to Luke and Leia...

Now here comes the kicker...

Star Wars Episode VI:
Luke: Leia, do you remember your mother, your real mother?

Leia: Just a little bit. She died when I was very young. (Understatment of the year right there.)

Luke: What do you remember?

Leia: Just images, really. Feelings.

Luke: Tell me.

Leia: She was...very beautiful. Kind...but sad. Why are you asking me this?

THE PROBLEM
How does Leia remember images of Padme, and more then that, how on God's green earth would she be able to tell if her mother was kind having been alive only for about a minute of her mother's life. And why doesn't Luke Remember if it is some sort of "Force Sight". And if Leia had seen pictures (or holograms) of her mother rowing up and knew a bit of her back story, then why would she seem as sad as she does in Return of the Jedi talking about her. The point they made in Jedi was that Leia had never fully understood her mother and her constant depression. Now would it have been so fucking hard to have Padme live through child birth and die off a year or two later after Leia is grown somewhat. NO! It's not hard, but George had to go for that dramatic funeral scene. Hell have Padme and Bail be the first people to start up the Rebellion.

But I won't bitch because Episode III was everything I hoped it would be and George has totally redeemed himself.
Wow....I've only seen it twice.....

Ok I have though about this one a lot, dont partically like the idea of this plot hole. But You could see it comming a mile away. I think personally.....this is how im excusing it in my mind anyways. That through the force, through what Bail has told her, through security holograms what ever. She has images of her mum.....The fact she says mostly feelings I think really points that it could be a force thing. And the reason why Luke does not remember is going back to the old Grils are more intuative and focused on feelings than men.

Meh.....just how Im letting is pass.

Something I picked up on the second viewing, Sidious says to Anakin "only one has learnt to avoid death" or somethinglike that. I realised that this is Qui Gon hes talking about.... Or was I dreaming that, is there a sith hes talking about?
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As for your 3 more Episode theory...those holes will be filled in the upcomming Star Wars TV series which Lucas will be writing and directing the first episode, after that is will be several different people.
keep in mind though its is not going to have anything to do with main characters.
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Old 05-20-2005, 10:34 PM   #47
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Something I picked up on the second viewing, Sidious says to Anakin "only one has learnt to avoid death" or somethinglike that. I realised that this is Qui Gon hes talking about.... Or was I dreaming that, is there a sith hes talking about?
He is talking about Darth Plagueous (Sp correction anyone?). Darth Plagueous The Wise was the only person who could manipulate the force to create life. Now some people have a VERY crazy fucked up theory that since Palpatine killed Darth Plagueous, and becuase he had the knowledge to never die, and since Anakin never had a father. Shmi just became pregnet, that infact Anakin is Darth Plageous's son in a weird sort of cheating death through reincarnation or some shit like that. I don't like the theory, but it's something they are saying. Anyway that was a lot of stuff you didn't ask about, but yeah...the one who can cheat death is Darth Plagueous, the one who discovers the pathway to immortality is Qui Gon.
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humm not sure. He said only one. Im seeing it again in a few days. I'll wait for it pay more attention.
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Why was Padme still fat after giving birth to Luke/Leia, when they were bringing her body through the city. Looked like seh still had another baby or 2 to bust out thurr
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Didn't have to work today, so I finally saw it. I'm totally happy with everything. You know it's a good movie when you know that Mace Windu is about to die, yet you still find yourself saying, "No, come on Anakin, don't do it!" The whole scene with Mace vs Palpatine, then the extermination of the Jedi, made me want to come home and watch Episode VI just so I could see some redemption. That was a very intense scene. I did find it odd though that Mace had relatively no problem with Palpatine, yet Yoda never really had the upper hand.

I'm also glad that they didn't hold back in how exactly Anakin became Darth. When he lost his legs and caught on fire, I was like, "Holy shit!"

Good stuff. Lucas has definitely redeemed himself.
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Old 05-21-2005, 02:24 AM   #51
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Oh yeah, and I really enjoyed the nod to the old school films. In many ways, but specifically, the last shot. The old school uniforms and the way the interior of the ship looked like it was straight out of the 70's film.
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As for the Leia's mother controversy, I just assumed she was referring to her adoptive mother.
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Old 05-21-2005, 03:23 AM   #53
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Why was Padme still fat after giving birth to Luke/Leia, when they were bringing her body through the city. Looked like seh still had another baby or 2 to bust out thurr
I think just to hide the fact from everyone, not just Palpatine and Vader, that she actually had the kids. So no one knows aside from those who saw Luke and Leia being born that the Skywalker name lives on.
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No...Vader and the Emperor would have known that a baby would have been born....Just not 2
Im sure I've read that somewhere....
And Obi-Wan talking to Luke in OT about how the emperor knew like he did etc.

As for the fatness...She died barly minutes after giving birth. It takes a a while for the stomach to go when alive....So i assume it wouldn't dead.
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Wow that was some of the worst dialogue and acting I have ever seen in my life.

Pretty terrible.
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Saw it for the 3rd time late last night and it was alot better the 3rd time through. I still stand by my problems with it though.

Now voting the funniest line in a movie not meant to be funny....

Darth Vader: "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"

The whole damn theater cracked up.
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Awesome movie. I saw the original English version, because in the previews for the French version, the voices weren't even going out at the same time the mouths were moving.
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I think just to hide the fact from everyone, not just Palpatine and Vader, that she actually had the kids. So no one knows aside from those who saw Luke and Leia being born that the Skywalker name lives on.
touché

Never thought of that.
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That was a GREAT movie. And to answer The One's plothole: Maybe Leia is talking about her adoptive mother, since we never know what happens with her anyway. That mother has thousands of reasons to be sad as the Replublic died and times are hard. She doesn't even know that she is Luke's sister by that point, so that could be a reason.

And I have nothing bad to say about the movie. Absolutely loved it.
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Saw it for the 3rd time late last night and it was alot better the 3rd time through. I still stand by my problems with it though.

Now voting the funniest line in a movie not meant to be funny....

Darth Vader: "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"

The whole damn theater cracked up.
You're a big nimrod. First you're like "this was the worst Star Wars Movie of all time" and you've seen it 3 times.

YOU ARE ONE PATHETIC LOSER.
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You're a big nimrod. First you're like "this was the worst Star Wars Movie of all time" and you've seen it 3 times.

YOU ARE ONE PATHETIC LOSER.
Hey IDIOT maybe you didnt read what I said before....

Yes I consider it the worst Star Wars Movie ever....but that doesnt make it a bad movie. I even said that I didnt think it was a really bad movie. Its just the worst of the 6. Its not like I said it was as bad as Dude Wheres My Car or Freddy Got Fingered or any shit like that. All I said was that it was the Worst Star Wars movie. That means out of the 6 I like this one the least. NOT God I hate this movie do damn much.

You know Its F'n Star Wars for crying out loud. If your a big Star Wars fan it wouldnt matter if this movie was just Jar Jar Binks standing in front of a million people reading the constitution the whole time. Youd still go see it more than once.

So before you go off calling me a pathetic loser because I saw it a few more times maybe you should go back and read what I said.

Hell im still gonna see a tons more times.....ITS STAR WARS
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Silence, I must speak now.

Hot damn I loved this move; in a Star Wars sense. Now I have an affinity for lightsaber duels and this move spoiled me with them. I happen to like the political/religous undertones (and why they shouldn't mix) that was rampant throughout the middle of the film. And dammit, Vader vs Obi Wan was everything I wanted it to be when I first heard about a 'healthier' Vader facing a younger Obi Wan long ago. I never forgot the "Circle is complete" line (and wished Anikan would've refferenced it), but now I've seen it and I'm glad.

Everybody hunching for plot holes, quit it. Damn losers. Not the obvious stuff mind you, I understand some of them. But the whole "I watched the movie 4736373654 times to know..." thing is damn sad.

Atleast Christopher Lee wasn't cut out of this trilogy... ...'Cut' out... Hehe...

I might see it again, if only for the duels and kid-slaying Vader. You can't tell me that wasn't satisfying in a small way. Damn sad though.

Holy shit Grievous sucked balls. How could they let the cartoon version be better?!? How..? That silly-ass accent, BaD. I liked how they tied in Mace's Force Crush from the cartoon into play (for those who don't watch the cartoon, that's the reason for his weezing).

Now let's see who's asshole enough to get the Star Wars Saga 6-Pack DVD case a year in a half from now. Let's see...

BTW; I will be the first to vote that the original trilogy's lightsaber duels be remade with the more fluid Jedi-Dance style. It's hard to go back to the stiff glow-in-the-dark fencing now.
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I can't believe I've seen this already, considering I waited until the other two piles of shit came out on DVD before I saw them.

Anyway it wasn't as shitty as the last two but it wasn't very good either - it was way too long they could have cut half an hour out of it and I wouldn't have got bored halfway through.

Crappy things about it:
Anakin and Obi Wans "witty" one liners at the start were cringe worthy
It was too long
The Wookies walked like they shit their pants
Jar Jar Binks at the end
It was a bit boring
I was bored
I ran out of coke too soon and was thirsty
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Rather forgettable really
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Only thing that could have made this better would be if Anakin offed Jar Jar
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My cousin was expecting Jar Jar to die in it. When we went and saw it last night he was pissed because the whole movie he was waiting for Anakin to pop Jar Jars head off and yet there was nothing.
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Hey IDIOT maybe you didnt read what I said before....

Yes I consider it the worst Star Wars Movie ever....but that doesnt make it a bad movie. I even said that I didnt think it was a really bad movie. Its just the worst of the 6. Its not like I said it was as bad as Dude Wheres My Car or Freddy Got Fingered or any shit like that. All I said was that it was the Worst Star Wars movie. That means out of the 6 I like this one the least. NOT God I hate this movie do damn much.

You know Its F'n Star Wars for crying out loud. If your a big Star Wars fan it wouldnt matter if this movie was just Jar Jar Binks standing in front of a million people reading the constitution the whole time. Youd still go see it more than once.

So before you go off calling me a pathetic loser because I saw it a few more times maybe you should go back and read what I said.

Hell im still gonna see a tons more times.....ITS STAR WARS

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Dam, lots of dedicated fans in here. Haven't seen it yet Wow, loads of fucking geeks in here. Jesus Christ. j/k guys
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Hey shut up Loosey...

View of Episode III Counter: 7 times....god I have a problem with Star Wars.
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LC, I havent seen it yet either. In fact I just got done today watching the last of the original star wars moies and Harrison Ford is still a shit actor back then, and the movies for their time were good, and if you dont think of it as a movie other then just some kids fantasy, it's alright.

Star Wars, I just dont see the big deal about it really. I'll watch it though, I feel like I have to complete it.

Also, I'm gonna go into the theater and for each compelling moment in the film I'm gonna yell out, MI SAH JAH JAH BINKS!!
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Saw it for the 3rd time late last night and it was alot better the 3rd time through. I still stand by my problems with it though.

Now voting the funniest line in a movie not meant to be funny....

Darth Vader: "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"

The whole damn theater cracked up.
I agree the "NOOOO" was terrible, but the whole scene was a nice throwback to the old Frankenstein films, with Vader walking really stiffly and barely being able to move... it was like the creation of Palpatine's monster.
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The perfect begining for this movie would have been Obi Wun and Anakin rescuing Jar Jar. It would be perfect. Hardcore SW fans would be pissed. Then at the moment where they get outnumber by the rolling droids. They will use there sabers to deflect all the bullets. But they will accidently deflect them into Jar Jar. Then like all the droids will stop shooting. Obi Wun and Annakin will stop what there doing and look down at Jar Jar. Shrug there shoulders. Then the movie will start back up where it left off. WOuld have been priceless. The thing is , if they actually did this at the beginning. It would be harmless. People will cheer then get on to the good shit.
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Just saw the movie today.

Fucking Awesome.
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Saw the movie last night. I thought it was the best of the prequels and got me to pop Episode 4 in this morning thanks to that last scene. It really does hammer the point home that Luke is the last hope for the Jedis.

Ian MacDarmid's portrayal of the Emperor has always been in a ball and he seems to be absolutely reveling in it in this movie. I can totally see why Anakin sided with him. I mean, didn't the Jedi just come off as sanctimonious bastards or what? He foresees his wife's death, and all they tell him is to let go of all emotional attachments. Whatever.

On a related note, I think my girlfriend may be tired of my "Talk Like the Evil Emperor Day" schtick.
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The perfect begining for this movie would have been Obi Wun and Anakin rescuing Jar Jar. It would be perfect. Hardcore SW fans would be pissed. Then at the moment where they get outnumber by the rolling droids. They will use there sabers to deflect all the bullets. But they will accidently deflect them into Jar Jar. Then like all the droids will stop shooting. Obi Wun and Annakin will stop what there doing and look down at Jar Jar. Shrug there shoulders. Then the movie will start back up where it left off. WOuld have been priceless. The thing is , if they actually did this at the beginning. It would be harmless. People will cheer then get on to the good shit.
That would have been awful. Never write a script, or make a movie.
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On a related note, I think my girlfriend may be tired of my "Talk Like the Evil Emperor Day" schtick.
On a semi-related note, I had a coughing spell yesterday, and my sister complimented me on my General Grevious impression.
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Yeah probably.

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Aye good film. Liked some of the subtle Death Star hints throughout.

That kid Jedi who killed a few droids before being mowed down when Bail Organa was taking off should have had a bigger part. Jar Jar was in the film too much for my liking. It was good to see Alderan, shame it gets blown up.
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