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Old 06-08-2005, 11:53 AM   #41
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Good, who cares about SD!
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Old 06-08-2005, 10:33 PM   #42
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Good, who cares about SD!
So, let me ask you? How would you handle the roster situation if everyone stops giving a fuck about SD and they unify the two brands? Can you think of something better?

Oh, and from the fact that SD continues to be UPN's highest rated show, I figure ALOT of people care about SD.
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Old 06-08-2005, 10:39 PM   #43
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Good, who cares about SD!
Nobody, despite the fact that their ratings are on par with Raw.
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Old 06-08-2005, 10:42 PM   #44
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So, let me ask you? How would you handle the roster situation if everyone stops giving a fuck about SD and they unify the two brands? Can you think of something better?

Oh, and from the fact that SD continues to be UPN's highest rated show, I figure ALOT of people care about SD.
To be fair, drawing the best ratings on UPN is about as good as being the richest hobo in your gutter. This is a network that was persuaded to keep Enterprise on for like two consecutive seasons.
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Old 06-08-2005, 10:58 PM   #45
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HEY! Don't diss. UPN's got Chaotic.



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Old 06-09-2005, 01:32 AM   #46
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To be fair, drawing the best ratings on UPN is about as good as being the richest hobo in your gutter. This is a network that was persuaded to keep Enterprise on for like two consecutive seasons.
It's still not in all markets, though, which also is hurting them. Like, for instance, for like, 10 years, UPN was not made avaliable in Wheeling, WV. It was only in December of 2004 that Wheeling FINALLY got a UPN station (WVTX channel 28. However, the Ohio side of this area got the Pittsburgh UPN station, WNPA). And some of the smaller markets, in which wrestling is rather popular (like Wheeling), UPN isn't even on the radar screen on some cable systems, since they can't get a UPN affiliate in those markets (I make it a point to follow these things). West Virginia, besides WVTX, doesn't even HAVE a UPN station in its state.

Look how long it took FOX to finally find its footing, as well. It was only in 1997 that they started to get considered as a major broadcast station (the earliest I could remember that people were starting to call FOX that). And don't forget the dish people. Many of the satallite customers are responsible for finding their own way to pick up locals, and most of the time, it's only one or two stations that get picked up (they might be making new ways, but none that I'm aware of). Also, Neilson ratings are somewhat weird, and only represent somewhat of a minority (should we ALL become "Neilson families"?)

Maybe UPN isn't as bad of shape as one might imagine. They've been starting to get some critics attention by Top Model, Veronica Mars (which is an underrated show), and by this new Chris Rock thing that is supposed to be a part of their "new Thursday lineup." Not sure just yet if it'll be in vain or not.

But yeah, I still think people care about SD, or at least WANT to care about SD.
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Old 06-09-2005, 01:34 AM   #47
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HEY! Don't diss. UPN's got Chaotic.



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Brittney Spears, last I heard, was a wrestling fan back in 2000-2001. Not sure about now.

That's the case of the summer reality shows. Right now I'm cursing FOX for putting Hell's Kitchen opposite of RAW.
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Old 06-09-2005, 01:38 AM   #48
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What makes you think Smackdown will go live and the censors will back off just because the show's moving to Friday nights? No credible sources have even suggested anything of the sort.

Besides, that move is still a few months away. I say the sooner Cena can cut out the bullshit he's been spitting for the past year and a half (particularly these last six months) and the sooner he can go on to being as great as he once was (knock on wood), the better.
This is just a form of wishful thinking. And since it does seem that the powers that be actually DO watch the internet, this possibility might become reality. The building blocks are there...just have to act on it.
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Old 06-09-2005, 06:31 AM   #49
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So, let me ask you? How would you handle the roster situation if everyone stops giving a fuck about SD and they unify the two brands? Can you think of something better?

Oh, and from the fact that SD continues to be UPN's highest rated show, I figure ALOT of people care about SD.
like KK said, people care about SD! on UPN b/c the rest of their lineup is shitty.

Also, WWE stopped caring about SD! a while ago, and now that it's moving to Fridays, look for their ratings to dip slightly. Therefore, due to the fact that I'll rarely watch SD! with the move now...I want all their top stars on RAW.

Sounds selfish? Of course!
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Since when did the success of a television network depend on whether or not they show up in West Virginia? The entire state doesn't even come close to approaching the impact of large market cities like L.A. and N.Y. where SD does rsather well.

People are missing the point that its not the ratings in wrestling -which have always traditionally been strong in relation to their networks. The WWE had the best ratings on Spike. SD still dominates UPN. The problem is that sponsors just don't have any desire to advertise on wrestling shows because they believe that wrestling is still basically for yokels and rednecks. Spike wanted to focus on its new CSI repeats and original drama programming, whihc are cheaper, draw comparable ratings, and draw huge sponsors.

And UPN's new tagline next year is going to be "Where the Girls Play." They're going to spin off that America's Top Model show (agains, decent ratings plus huge sponsors)and a ton of those cheesy chick sitcoms. SD just doens't jibe with that image. It's gone. And it will probably get zero marketing while its still around.

So what does all this have to do with Raw? From a business standpoint, Cena is the WWE's biggest draw right now. As much as I think that SD needs and deserves some help, RAW is the only show that has a stable, foreseeable future. Maybe if SD had a TV deal past next year, you could make long term plans. Until then, putting the biggest draw on the flagship show makes perfect sense.

Now comes the real question: what wins out, Vince's desire to make money off Cena or his loyalty to his son-in-law? Or as KK put it, nepotism v greed?
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Old 06-09-2005, 09:52 AM   #51
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Since when did the success of a television network depend on whether or not they show up in West Virginia? The entire state doesn't even come close to approaching the impact of large market cities like L.A. and N.Y. where SD does rsather well.
I was using my area as a firm example for my point. The midplain states probably don't have many stations, either.

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People are missing the point that its not the ratings in wrestling -which have always traditionally been strong in relation to their networks. The WWE had the best ratings on Spike. SD still dominates UPN. The problem is that sponsors just don't have any desire to advertise on wrestling shows because they believe that wrestling is still basically for yokels and rednecks. Spike wanted to focus on its new CSI repeats and original drama programming, whihc are cheaper, draw comparable ratings, and draw huge sponsors.
The thing with that is, they have to remember the boom periods in 98-99. Surely, they would want for something like that to happen once more, which could happen if Vince stops fucking up everything,

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And UPN's new tagline next year is going to be "Where the Girls Play." They're going to spin off that America's Top Model show (agains, decent ratings plus huge sponsors)and a ton of those cheesy chick sitcoms. SD just doens't jibe with that image. It's gone. And it will probably get zero marketing while its still around.
I'm still hopeful that something is going to happen that is good for SD. Like it or not, SD is half of the WWE right now, and they need to get it to succeed just as much as RAW does.

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So what does all this have to do with Raw? From a business standpoint, Cena is the WWE's biggest draw right now. As much as I think that SD needs and deserves some help, RAW is the only show that has a stable, foreseeable future. Maybe if SD had a TV deal past next year, you could make long term plans. Until then, putting the biggest draw on the flagship show makes perfect sense.
I think just because SD is on Fridays now doesn't necessarily mean that it's domed for failure. But SD is not just UPN. It's their brand exclusive PPVs, and the arenas they have to sell tickets for. They need to get buyrates and shit like that. For them to focus just on the ratings it gets on UPN is just foolish.

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Now comes the real question: what wins out, Vince's desire to make money off Cena or his loyalty to his son-in-law? Or as KK put it, nepotism v greed?
That is one of the main reasons WHY Cena cannot be on RAW right now. HHH/Batista is dominating RAW as the top feud right now. Cena's popularity could disappate VERY fast.
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