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Old 06-10-2005, 06:18 AM   #41
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I agree with his Enterance being great, When he poses and the loud DONG's happen.. then the soft sound... then BANG cool soft smooth beats


are you saying Hogan is better than Masters





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Old 06-10-2005, 08:39 AM   #42
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You can't seriously compare Hogan to Masters
In terms of actual wrestling ability, sure I can. I know people have a problem with noticing greatness when it's happening right in front of them and not 20 years ago, but trust me on this one.
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I don't mind Masters as long as he doesn't break people's noses. OK, that was an accident. But that's not all.

His match with Venis this week. Did you notice how close Venis came to fall on his own head after trying to do a 10-punch? He could easily have killed himself. And whose fault is that? The bastard who threw him down so carelessly.

Masters sucks... a lot. In the ring, that is. I don't mind the gimmick or mic skills. But really, he's nothing special.
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^ BUT HE CAN IMPROVE. And I hope he does.
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I appreciate Chris Master's ability to give me a reason to leave the room during Raw.
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What I would like to know is how many people's opinions are affected by the Stevie Richards incident. Then I would like to know if those opinions would be any different if it would have happened to somebody like Bob Holly instead of Richards.
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Enterance: Dull

Finisher: Barely worked in the 80's

Look: Stupid. He looks like a retard eating ice cream.

Gimmick: What gimmick? He's a hoss that Vince is desperately trying ot push because he is big.

He isn't the greatest wrestler... He is the worst thing to ever happenen to WWE in the history of time.

(edit: And then, the negative rep flowed my way, because I disagreed with what was written by a member who has been on this board for longer than I have. Community forum? I think not.)

You just might be retarded.
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Masters is wicked, he gets bashed a lot for some reason.

Entrance: unreal

Finisher: unique

Look: tough

Gimmick: interesting

Fuck it if he isn't the greatest wrestler.
Entrance: Pretty good, would work better with someone who lookedlike a Masterpiece. However, you could slap any retarded chimp into that entrance and it'd work.

Finisher: Oh yeah. It's unique. And you know what would make it even MORE unique? If he did a leg drop! I know, his finisher could be a superkick!

Look: Bland.

Gimmick. Would be interesting if it weren't a rehash of a rehash.
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Gimmick. Would be interesting if it weren't a rehash of a rehash.
How would you make it better?
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What I would like to know is how many people's opinions are affected by the Stevie Richards incident. Then I would like to know if those opinions would be any different if it would have happened to somebody like Bob Holly instead of Richards.
Dangerous is dangerous.
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Old 06-10-2005, 09:09 AM   #51
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I don't mind Masters as long as he doesn't break people's noses. OK, that was an accident. But that's not all.

His match with Venis this week. Did you notice how close Venis came to fall on his own head after trying to do a 10-punch? He could easily have killed himself. And whose fault is that? The bastard who threw him down so carelessly.

Masters sucks... a lot. In the ring, that is. I don't mind the gimmick or mic skills. But really, he's nothing special.
His mic skills are blah, and he has come close to killing a couple of people since he fucked up Richards. I don't get it. ECW workers can't work stiff, finishers get banned, but if you're reckless and endanger other wrestlers...
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Dangerous is dangerous.
True enough, but accidents are also accidents.

Also, I see people making jokes about how they wish Bob Holly would break his neck again and such. I think that a few people (who have posted in this thread) may have different opinions of Chris Masters had it not been Stevie Richards who was injured by him.
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Old 06-10-2005, 09:11 AM   #53
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I thought the Val Venis spot was sick (in a good way). Dunno how much of a botch that was, really, seeing as to how they sold it as the precursor to the Masterlock.
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Old 06-10-2005, 09:12 AM   #54
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True enough, but accidents are also accidents.

Also, I see people making jokes about how they wish Bob Holly would break his neck again and such. I think that a few people (who have posted in this thread) may have different opinions of Chris Masters had it not been Stevie Richards who was injured by him.
Probably. And the Val Venis-near-incident didn't help.
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Old 06-10-2005, 09:13 AM   #55
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How would you make it better?
I don't have to. I'm a consumer, dammit. They pander to me, not the other way around. Well, they should. That's the nature of entertainment.
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I really don't think that was a near incident, though. I thought that was Val selling well. Are there reports otherwise?
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Old 06-10-2005, 09:14 AM   #57
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I don't have to. I'm a consumer, dammit. They pander to me, not the other way around. Well, they should. That's the nature of entertainment.
I was asking just for the sake of discussion. I'm not saying that you should have to do anything.
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I thought the Val Venis spot was sick (in a good way). Dunno how much of a botch that was, really, seeing as to how they sold it as the precursor to the Masterlock.
And when Lesnar botched that Moonsault, that was just a CLEVER SPOT, not a possibly career-ending injury...
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Old 06-10-2005, 09:17 AM   #59
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When did Lesnar botch a moonsault? You've lost me in your Kane Knightish way of never really saying exactly what you mean in favor of trying to make people look stupid. If you're referring to the Bob Holly injury, I thought that was from a powerbomb. If you're talking about something else, enlighten me.
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I really don't think that was a near incident, though. I thought that was Val selling well. Are there reports otherwise?
No, but watching it he damn near landed on his head.
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I'm just gonna say this.

I've yet to see anything impressive about Masters yet. All I see is him posing on the stage each night. THen he goes to the ring and says soem boring stuff on the mic, not aht well I might add, then if there happens to be a match then it isn't even that good.

Overall Masters is just average. HIs look is that of a muscle bound guy is all. his gimmick has been done so much, and better at that.

his finisher is more generic than HOgan's leg drop. I mean Holly tried using that finisher for goodness sakes.

and as far as it being HOlly instead of Richards being injured. I could careless. An injury is an injury. Although I wouldn't mind as much if itwas Holly that had his nose moved a bit on his face instead of RIchards the bottom line is that even if it was Holly Iwoulda said somethin cause this is still their livlihood and this guy is still green. This guy is average at best.

YEah there is time to improve but for right now, I can't see a single reason to appreciate this guy.
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No, but watching it he damn near landed on his head.
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When did Lesnar botch a moonsault? You've lost me in your Kane Knightish way of never really saying exactly what you mean in favor of trying to make people look stupid. If you're referring to the Bob Holly injury, I thought that was from a powerbomb. If you're talking about something else, enlighten me.
SSP. So I called the wrong move, someone with common sense would have been able to piece it together. Lesnar/Angle? Off the turnbuckle onto his head? WRESTLEMANIA? IS any of this ringing a bell?

And please, stop playing the martyr. I'm hardly trying to make you look stupid, I'm arguing a point.
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YEah there is time to improve but for right now, I can't see a single reason to appreciate this guy.
Then I guess you haven't read this thread. There are plenty reasons given to appreciate him.
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I really don't think that was a near incident, though. I thought that was Val selling well.
He had to... for his own sake...

Seriously, any inexperienced wrestler could have landed on his head. Val's a veteran, he managed to just flip a little to land on his shoulders, not on his head. It might not be it, but I'm pretty much convinced that we've nearly seen a major incident.
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Old 06-10-2005, 09:27 AM   #67
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SSP. So I called the wrong move, someone with common sense would have been able to piece it together. Lesnar/Angle? Off the turnbuckle onto his head? WRESTLEMANIA? IS any of this ringing a bell?

And please, stop playing the martyr. I'm hardly trying to make you look stupid, I'm arguing a point.
Right. Well that's what I thought you were talking about, but I guess I failed to see its relevance to Chris Masters.
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So let's recap: Landing on your head=selling. Breaking your face=selling. Wrestlemania is an obscure event, and nobody will remember you landing on your head in what could have been a career ending spot.
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Then I guess you haven't read this thread. There are plenty reasons given to appreciate him.
nah I read the thread, the entire thread from post 1 to this post, and so far the only thing that I garnered as a reason to appreciate him is that he gives you a reaosn to take a piss break
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Right. Well that's what I thought you were talking about, but I guess I failed to see its relevance to Chris Masters.
Blah blah blah. If that's what you thought I meant, why did you bring up Bobcore instead?

God, you're a piss poor liar.

Okay, I was comparing a guy landing on his head to another guy who nearly landed on his head. You can't see what this has to do with it, it was disproving the notion that it was just selling a sick spot.
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I was totally kidding about Richards selling well by getting his face busted, for the record.

And what Brock did was all under his own power. Can't blame Chris Masters for that.
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I dunno wtf it is with that guy...like he's okay, very average if you will

But I dunno I've marked out a few times for him. Like the time he killed Richards...like it was the worst thing ever, and required no skill, but it was still one of the best things I've ever seen on TV, because he fuckin killed him.

The Masterlock is also pretty convincing, he does it pretty well.

And I want someone to break it , so clearly he's doing his job. I will mark out when someone breaks it too, I think the whole arena will go nuts...which means he's a decent heel.

Yeah but he does kinda suck, though his match with Val was pretty good...but Val stiffed the shit out of him lol, thus making it entertaining.
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...Val stiffed the shit out of him...
Possibly a reason for Masters to work more reckless than usual?
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Blah blah blah. If that's what you thought I meant, why did you bring up Bobcore instead?
Lesnar injured Holly, right?

I thought that surely you would know the difference between a moonsault and a shooting star press, so while the botched move was my first inclination, I guess I gave you too much credit. My bad.
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HOlly scrweed himself in that match where he got hurt. instead of jumping with the powerbomb he wanted to make Lesnar look bad and be dead weight. that's why Holly scrweed Holly in that instance
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HOlly scrweed himself in that match where he got hurt. instead of jumping with the powerbomb he wanted to make Lesnar look bad and be dead weight. that's why Holly scrweed Holly in that instance
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but Richards didn't injure himself in that match. Masters swung to wildly and actually connected.

Much like that GOldberg/Bret insident. Goldberg kicked wildly and actually nailed Hart hard in teh head. NOthing Bret could do about it when it happene.d NOthing RIchards could do when Masters nailed him. Holly could have helped the incident but he decided to be a rpick there is a difference.
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I didn't even bring up Holly for the nature in which he was injured or who's fault it was or anything. I was simply saying that if Masters would have injured a less popular wrestler, people might think differently about him.
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