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Old 06-14-2005, 11:39 PM   #41
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ONE ACCOUNT OF WHAT HAPPENED AFTER THE JBL-MEANIE INCIDENT
by Mike Johnson @ 4:25:00 PM on 6/13/2005


Josh N sent the following about last night's ECW One Night Stand show ending brawl involving John Bradshaw Layfield once he is separated from The Blue Meanie:

Basically, if you watch in the corner, JBL and Axl Rotten square off a bit and a couple of punches are thrown. Tracy Smothers, who as you know is a legit tough guy, leaps in, and lands a couple of haymakers to the head of JBL, as Sandman wraps his cane around JBL’s throat from behind and holds him in place. Balls Mahoney and Mikey Whipwreck leap in, and as they start whaling on him, he goes to the mat. Bubba Ray Dudley is outside of the ring and walking around the corner, when he apparently realizes what is going on, grabs JBL, and yanks him outside of the ring. He throws a punch (legit, I don’t know) and sends JBL reeling toward his WWE counter parts. I’m not sure if the first part was a work or shoot. It seemed legit in watching in, but the camera is so far away, it’s hard to tell. But Smothers did seem to really be going after JBL. Watch the footage for yourself.

I saw that, when Bubba pulled him out the ring, i thought that was abit odd considering they were meant to be beating him up.The punch didn't look real when he throwed one at JBL though.
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Old 06-15-2005, 12:05 AM   #42
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^ He coulda missed.

But LOL at the near-lynching.
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Old 06-15-2005, 12:12 AM   #43
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Yeah, thats the same thing.
Of course it is.

That was the whole point, not your complacent attitude.

Detrimental.
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Old 06-15-2005, 07:41 AM   #44
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Of course it is.

That was the whole point, not your complacent attitude.

Detrimental.
Its tough to have a logical discussion with someone who equates punching a guy in the face with murder.

Obviously if Bradshaw had killed Meanie in the ring, he should be punished. But throwing a couple of stiff punches in a sport where guys are hitting each other all the time (with different levels of force) is not something to get all up in arms about, when its kinda accepted as business as usual by the company.

The only way I would equate murder to this discussion is if there was a society that allowed murder, and then someone killed someone else, and all the smarks of the town were raising a stink because someone was murdered, when in fact it happens all the time and is accepted.

Back to wrestling, what if a guy doesn't want his chest lit up by Chris Benoit? Couldn't you say that is taking things too far? And as I stated originally, nobody here knows the backstory with Meanie and JBL, so its really hard to judge him.
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Old 06-15-2005, 11:09 AM   #45
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But Benoit would not be committing the chops maliciously. If what Meanie has said is true, then JBL has committed an assault, which is against the law.

Also, regarding what legendkiller posted about Axl and Sandman etc, if that again is true, then it really does show how close the ECW locker room is. While I don't agree with that they did (again, if it is true), it would still show how, after all these years the ECW wrestlers are still tight, and it really is like a family.
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Old 06-15-2005, 11:20 AM   #46
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The thing is, Cynick, as deathtrap mentions, there's a certain code in the biz, right? You don't sucker punch a guy in the head BEHIND HIS BACK. In a normal match, you can expect a chop and stuff and get hit, but JBL explicitly targeted Meanie and used the melee as an excuse to pummel him a bit.

That's just despicable and pathetic and shows that JBL has no class. He's so insecure that he has to go beat up a guy just cuz that guy called him a bully. It's childish. It's crass. It's assenine.

I repeat: JBL ATTACKED MEANIE FROM BEHIND. That's just fucking low.
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Plus, how could anyone hurt the Meanie
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Old 06-15-2005, 11:47 AM   #48
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It could've also been a sort of botch, too. We don't know. Maybe it was supposed to happen that way, but either one of them botched it up, causing it, and someone is trying to cover up the botch. Meanie has a hell of a lot of scars, as I had seen, so it might have not been so tough to reopen one.

And we don't know if any other WWE guy happened to do something similar, as well. We don't know enough just yet to make a conclusion on if JBL is an asshole again, or just someone who ended up being at the wrong place at the worst time.
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Old 06-15-2005, 12:21 PM   #49
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Its tough to have a logical discussion with someone who equates punching a guy in the face with murder.
It's tough to have a logical discussion when your entire argument is summed up by a complacent statement that "it happens," silently condoning it.

The fact that you want to assume that I'm directly equating the acts instead of the reactions also hurts you, making your complaint all the more pointless.

If you can develop an argument, I'd be willing to read it, but it's looking more and more like you've turned your brain off.
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Old 06-15-2005, 12:23 PM   #50
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The thing is, Cynick, as deathtrap mentions, there's a certain code in the biz, right? You don't sucker punch a guy in the head BEHIND HIS BACK. In a normal match, you can expect a chop and stuff and get hit, but JBL explicitly targeted Meanie and used the melee as an excuse to pummel him a bit.

That's just despicable and pathetic and shows that JBL has no class. He's so insecure that he has to go beat up a guy just cuz that guy called him a bully. It's childish. It's crass. It's assenine.

I repeat: JBL ATTACKED MEANIE FROM BEHIND. That's just fucking low.
It's hard to have a reasonable argument with you, because you are not complacent and willing to forgive a guy for attacking someone, or acting unprofessionally. I mean, it happens, so we should just sit back and accept it, and watch it further escalate.
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Old 06-15-2005, 12:25 PM   #51
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It happens all the time bro.

Like I said, I'm not justifying it, I'm just saying it happens, you cant single out Bradshaw for stuff that lots of other people do, some of who are employed by WWE do as well.

And like I said, I dont know the back story. Lets just say Meanie made a pass at Bradshaw's wife, I would say thats worth a couple of punches to the face, I dont care where it happens.
If you are a man, you do it face to face, one on one. Not during a freaking ambush.
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Back to wrestling, what if a guy doesn't want his chest lit up by Chris Benoit? Couldn't you say that is taking things too far? And as I stated originally, nobody here knows the backstory with Meanie and JBL, so its really hard to judge him.
Difference is, with Benoit, he might work stiff but he is still working. You know what's coming in advance. If I get in the ring with 30+ guys, I don't expect to be punch in the boat when I'm not looking.
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Old 06-15-2005, 01:21 PM   #54
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I never liked that poor exucse of "the million dollar man" hope Vince fires him.
Why the hell would vince fire one of his top stars for potato-ing a guy who isn't even on the roster, and actually works and occassionally books for a competing federation. If he didn't fire JBL after the Nazi salute incident in Germany, and his alleged incident with Storm, then he sure as hell isn't going to do jack about this.
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Old 06-15-2005, 01:25 PM   #55
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Difference is, with Benoit, he might work stiff but he is still working. You know what's coming in advance. If I get in the ring with 30+ guys, I don't expect to be punch in the boat when I'm not looking.
Too right. If you don't want to take chops, you don't deserve to be in wrestling. There's a huge difference between part of the professionalism of the job, and getting beat up by some dumb cunt.
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Why the hell would vince fire one of his top stars for potato-ing a guy who isn't even on the roster, and actually works and occassionally books for a competing federation. If he didn't fire JBL after the Nazi salute incident in Germany, and his alleged incident with Storm, then he sure as hell isn't going to do jack about this.
He won't but that don't mean he shouldn't. Bob Holly should have been fired after what he did to Rene Dupree and the same applies here.
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It's hard to have a reasonable argument with you, because you are not complacent and willing to forgive a guy for attacking someone, or acting unprofessionally. I mean, it happens, so we should just sit back and accept it, and watch it further escalate.
Definately not. JBL IS a bully backstage and his reactions to Meanie just prove this further. JBL is going to be a bully for a long long time unless more people like the Meanie stand up for themselves and what is right - not just in the wrestling industry, but society itself.

Put it this way, would this be tolerated in an office environment or any other workplace? HELL NO! It's just a shame JBL's actions soured the sentiments of the night for Meanie and other former members of the ECW locker-room.
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He won't but that don't mean he shouldn't. Bob Holly should have been fired after what he did to Rene Dupree and the same applies here.
Yep, I agree. As the head of his company Vince is required by law and all morale guidance to do something to stop this kind of thing happening. It just might be very difficult to do so with JBL.
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He won't but that don't mean he shouldn't. Bob Holly should have been fired after what he did to Rene Dupree and the same applies here.
Yeah, I think he was just arguing that if he's gotten away with all the other shit he's pulled, he'll get away with this. He really shouldn't, and I certainly don't appreciate this form of "frontier Justice" being condoned.
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Yep, I agree. As the head of his company Vince is required by law and all morale guidance to do something to stop this kind of thing happening. It just might be very difficult to do so with JBL.
Vince really isn't required by law to provide a safe work environment. They've gone out of their way to avoid that, in fact.
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Yep, I agree. As the head of his company Vince is required by law and all morale guidance to do something to stop this kind of thing happening. It just might be very difficult to do so with JBL.
Vince doesn't have to do anything. His talent are all "independent contractors".
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The bottom line is nobody knows why JBL did what he did.

Most people here are quick to jump to conclusions about him, because he's the big internet heel.

That was my main arguement, I dont know what happened in the past between them, I can think of a ton of reasons why a punch to the face would be warranted. I'm not going to hang the guy just because its Bradshaw.

Is Bret Hart unprofessional because he punched Vince in the face? Or do we accept that he had a good reason to do it? True it wasn't in the ring, which does make it somewhat different, but its not 'that' different, it still happened at a place of business. Its like saying a basketball played can get in trouble for assaulting another player ont he court, but cant get in trouble for assault int he lockerroom.

And I still dont see a huge difference between what Benoit does and what he did. Dont get me wrong, what JBL did IS worse, but at the same time, I'm sure a lot of guys would rather not get their chest lit up by Benoit. There's a way to throw a chop and not kill the guy like Benoit and guys like Holly do. I just dont think thats very far off from punching a guy in the face, guess what they both hurt and they both leave a mark.

Ive never once said JBL was right to do what he did, but people who think who should get fired for it are acting quite nutty. You're really going to get rid of one of your best talents because some jabrone ate a couple of punches? C'mon, its nice to 'act' all politically correct, but if you were in Vince's shoes would you really get rid of one of your top heels for that?

If assualt on another WWE employee (far worse assault I might add) is not going to result in dismissal, what makes anyone think assault on a non-WWE employee is going to lead to the unemployment line. Again, its an accepted norm in the company, if anything you guys should be ripping Vince, not JBL.
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I like that you keep saying it was "a few punches" and ignore the fact that Meanie had to get STITCHED UP afterwards.

and your "politically correct" shit is a strawman
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so why keep describing the attack as "a few punches" when it left Meanie bleeding heavily?
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I'll say this. What JBL did was totally uncalled for and he was 100% wrong there. You're suppossed to be in a great moment for the fans and not suppossed to be carrying out your grudges when you have a job to do. Attacking him from behind was really shitty too.

But I see the point CyNick is trying to make in that we all tend to jump on JBL for everything he does because he's JBL. In this sithuation, I think it's called for. In others (the Nazi thing) I didn't thing JBL deserved the backlash that he got.

We do play favorites at times though. When we were discussing the thing where Regal "showed up" Goldberg in thier match on Nitro, everyone (including myself) were laughing at Goldberg and praising Regal, yet what Regal did was totally unprofessional and never should of happened. So it should go both ways I guess
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Never ignored anything.
So you're just deliberately avoiding stuff, with intent to deceive?
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So you're just deliberately avoiding stuff, with intent to deceive?
Wrong again.

I never avoided anything, I said he punched him, which is true, I also didn't mention that Bret Hart left a bruise on Vince face and twisted his ankle in the process. I try to keep things balanced.
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We do play favorites at times though. When we were discussing the thing where Regal "showed up" Goldberg in thier match on Nitro, everyone (including myself) were laughing at Goldberg and praising Regal, yet what Regal did was totally unprofessional and never should of happened. So it should go both ways I guess
This is the thing that ticks me off about people here and on other sites.

They jump all over certain guys because they are marks for certain guys and have blinding hatred for others.

Never once did I say what JBL did was right, but because I say something that comes close to presenting another point of view on the situation, people jump on me. Which is fine, but nobody seems quick to address the other issues like Bret on Vince or like you said Regal on Goldberg.
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so why keep describing the attack as "a few punches" when it left Meanie bleeding heavily?

Meanie was nursing a huge stitched-up wound that he got from his Hardcore Homecoming a appearance. Point is, that was a fresh wound that really wouldn't need to take a whole lot of abuse to be re-openend.
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Is Bret Hart unprofessional because he punched Vince in the face?
Absolutely, actually. Not in general, necessarily, but during that moment, he was absolutely unprofessional.

Same goes with JBL, except he's had a history of this sort of behavior, so we can characterize him as being unprofessional in general more.


I've been disagreeing with a lot of your posts recently, Cynick. What's going on????
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Bret Hart did act unprofessionally there, yes.

I ask, so what?
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This is the thing that ticks me off about people here and on other sites.

They jump all over certain guys because they are marks for certain guys and have blinding hatred for others.

Never once did I say what JBL did was right, but because I say something that comes close to presenting another point of view on the situation, people jump on me. Which is fine, but nobody seems quick to address the other issues like Bret on Vince or like you said Regal on Goldberg.
Do you need help nailing the other hand up on that cross, Nick?
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Absolutely, actually. Not in general, necessarily, but during that moment, he was absolutely unprofessional.

Same goes with JBL, except he's had a history of this sort of behavior, so we can characterize him as being unprofessional in general more.


I've been disagreeing with a lot of your posts recently, Cynick. What's going on????
Yes. The difference between an unprofessional act and an unprofessional person is the same as an offender and a habitual offender.

Steal once? Usually a pretty minor sentence. Steal a lot of times? You're probably fucked.

Get into a fight? Usually easy on you the first time, unless you go psycho on them. Get into a lot of fights? You're gonna do some time.

I admit though, it's a very difficult subject to grasp, so I can understand why Nick's up in arms over the concept that the guy who pulls shit like this more often gets more heat than the one who doesn't. It's just so unfair that a guy with an unprofessional attitude who has assaulted people before gets more shit for an incident than a guy who punched someone in the face once.

You know what? We've all done some stupid shit in our lives. I don't think anyone's on here pretending to be a saint. Even Fucking Ghandi did some questionable shit in his life. The difference between doing some stupid shit, fucking up, or performing an unprofessional act and making a career out of any of the above is simple: You stop performing the behaviour.

If this was the first time JBL had pulled this, Nick's argument would be valid.
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In that case....

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This is the thing that ticks me off about people here and on other sites.

They jump all over certain guys because they are marks for certain guys and have blinding hatred for others.

Never once did I say what JBL did was right, but because I say something that comes close to presenting another point of view on the situation, people jump on me. Which is fine, but nobody seems quick to address the other issues like Bret on Vince or like you said Regal on Goldberg.
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The thing is about Bret Hart, is that he had been cheated in his last match, in front of his own town, with his own signatue move. He punched Vince on the same night.

While, after Meanie called JBL a bully a few years ago, JBL decided to attack him multiple times.
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