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Old 06-28-2005, 10:51 PM   #41
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Starman is excellent. JSA is also fantastic. Alan Scott is the coolest Green Lantern ever. Fuck Hal Jordan.
I dunno, for some reason I could never really 'dig' Alan Scott. I've never really been into the magic community in DC. I briefly enjoyed Spectre when Hal Jordan was fused with him but I dunno.

And I am loving Kyle Rayner as a GL at the moment. He seems more fallible than the others, and that's endearing, for some reason.
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Old 06-28-2005, 11:12 PM   #42
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On the subject of the Superman/Clark Kent/glasses thing, there's been a few occasions when Superman has had Bruce Wayne dress up as the Man Of Steel to fool Metropolis into thinking Clark Kent and Superman are different people.
Yes.

Also, Superman is said to be able to control minds to a limited ability. His Clark Kent personna does this.
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Old 06-28-2005, 11:26 PM   #43
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Pre-Crisis Superman had super-hypnotism and that was how he kept most people unaware.

Now he does not have that and it is mainly the things already said here. Plus I'm not sure if this is true and I actually did read it, or if I'm just making it up.... he is constantly vibrating slightly at superspeed (no one can detect it), which kind of blurs his features a bit.
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No, they were only aliens in the Silver-age run of Hawkman's life in DC, when he was a Thanagarian police officer called Katar-Hol. In current continuity, Hawkman and Hawkgirl are re-incarnations of Egyptian royalty Khufu and Chay-Ara respectively, like they were originally - hence their predicament in the current Rann/Thanagar war. Only Hawkwoman is an actual Thanagarian alien.

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Actually, to be fair, Hawkgirl is now Chay-Ara's/Shiera's grandniece, but even then, she's still human.
That'll teach me not to read the entire Wikipedia entry
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to slightly divert the topic from Marvel and DC, has anyone read an Alan Moore comic called Miracleman?

best superhero comic ever written. Seriously.
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Heard of Miracleman, never read it. I do dig Alan Moore, though, so I might try and track it down.

But on the subject of Marvel and DC, I've been reading back through my collection(four huge boxes), and realizing that DC's heroes are so much more interesting to me than Marvel's. Batman's personal crisis and the fact that he is truly insane make is far more interesting than Peter Parker's latest quarrel with the Green Goblin. I don't know, though, I'm always switching camps. Sometimes I'm a real hard DC guy, then I'll just suddenly prefer Marvel. Maybe I have split personalites.

But Marvel does have a very underrated character that desperately needs re-launched, Moon Knight. If anyone's ever read a Moon Knight comic, they know what a smart, entertaining piece of work it is. I highly reccomend it.
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That'll teach me not to read the entire Wikipedia entry


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to slightly divert the topic from Marvel and DC, has anyone read an Alan Moore comic called Miracleman?

best superhero comic ever written. Seriously.
I've got copies somewhere (downloaded) but I've never actually read them Dunno I flipped through the first couple pages and didn't see anything that grabbed my attention. Then again this is Alan Moore so I should've known better.

On that note...better than Watchmen?
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Better than Watchmen.

Miracleman is what would happen if the most creative mind on the planet decided to recreate the Captain Marvel family in the most twisted incarnation possible. It's brilliant. Utterly brilliant.

And now that Neil Gaiman has regained the rights to it (fucking Todd McFarlane) we may see the conclusion of the story.
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Heard of Miracleman, never read it. I do dig Alan Moore, though, so I might try and track it down.

But on the subject of Marvel and DC, I've been reading back through my collection(four huge boxes), and realizing that DC's heroes are so much more interesting to me than Marvel's. Batman's personal crisis and the fact that he is truly insane make is far more interesting than Peter Parker's latest quarrel with the Green Goblin. I don't know, though, I'm always switching camps. Sometimes I'm a real hard DC guy, then I'll just suddenly prefer Marvel. Maybe I have split personalites.

But Marvel does have a very underrated character that desperately needs re-launched, Moon Knight. If anyone's ever read a Moon Knight comic, they know what a smart, entertaining piece of work it is. I highly reccomend it.
Fuck yeah Moon Knight kicks ass.

The main thing for me that really seperates Marvel and DC is that....people who die in Marvel tend to stay dead. DC guys just get resurected on a whim.
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I'd heard that Marvel has it's fair share of resurection problems as well.
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Truely but not as many as DC has.

At least with Marvel, the only resurection problems it has is when it restarts a continuality.
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Truely but not as many as DC has.

At least with Marvel, the only resurection problems it has is when it restarts a continuality.
Tell that to Jean Grey, Colossus, Nighthawk, Wonder Man (multiple times), Human Torch, Professor X, The Punisher, and Elektra, among others. If anything, Marvel tends to kill off and resurrect their heroes more frequently than DC does.
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Old 06-30-2005, 12:12 AM   #56
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Also, 'continuality'?

Give me a break.
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Old 06-30-2005, 12:44 PM   #57
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Fuck yeah Moon Knight kicks ass.

The main thing for me that really seperates Marvel and DC is that....people who die in Marvel tend to stay dead. DC guys just get resurected on a whim.
People who die in Marvel tend to stay dead?

Remind me how long Northstar was dead for.

And didn't Magneto get brought back about TWO MONTHS after Morrison killed him off?

The only Marvel character to stay dead is Bucky. AND THEY JUST BROUGHT HIM BACK
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the only DC resurrections that I can think of off the top of my head are Superman (in one of the biggest comic book stories EVER), Ollie Queen, and Hal Jordan. And Hal Jordan wasn't properly dead and gone to begin with (he was the spectre)
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I think Aquaman too. And Hal was dead... for a time before becoming The Spectre (who technically is dead).

Other than that, yeah, I can't think of any more DC.

Possibly some villains here or there... villains are always coming back to life.

And possibly Jason Todd.
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Lammy were you talking about Northstar from Alpha Flight?

Beast got killed in the Ultimate X-Men series a few months back
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the only DC resurrections that I can think of off the top of my head are Superman (in one of the biggest comic book stories EVER), Ollie Queen, and Hal Jordan. And Hal Jordan wasn't properly dead and gone to begin with (he was the spectre)
The only other ones I can think of are Ronnie Raymond/Firestorm, since he has just been resurrected (less than a year after his death in Identity Crisis), Hawkman and Guy Gardner. He was impaled on something and died, and now he seems perfectly okay.

But yeah, those 6 pretty much round out DC's resurrections, if we're not including villains like Sinestro and Jason Todd.

But even then, the list is incredibly smaller than even that sample list I spouted off for Marvel (since Wonder Man counts for about six resurrections, and Jean Grey has 3 or 4 up her sleeve), so I'ma side with Lammy on this one.
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Lammy were you talking about Northstar from Alpha Flight?

Beast got killed in the Ultimate X-Men series a few months back
Are you reading X-Men: The End at the moment? Bucketloads of everyone's favourites are getting killed off.
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I don't know if Hawkman counts as ressurection.... Because he (Prince Khufu) was cursed to continually ressurect. So really.... IT WASN'T HIS... FAULT!!!
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I'm not counting the resurrections of Khufu. I am talking about the death of Katar Hol the Thanagarian (Silver Age Hawkman), and HIM being resurrected as today's current Carter Hall/Katar Hol/Khufu conglomerate Hawkman. All three personalities have been fused.
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And possibly Jason Todd.
I still don't buy it. How could he have suddenly just sprang back up to life and grown up, when the Riddler had dug up and stolen his body? I'm wanting to call fake-out on this one, but I'm not sure if they'd do another one so soon after the 'Hush' arc.

Also, if you read this month's Batman, they're not even sure whether or not Superman's faux-death was for real or not anymore. So depending on which way DC goes with that, you could chalk that up as another 'resurrection.'
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Are you reading X-Men: The End at the moment? Bucketloads of everyone's favourites are getting killed off.
Damn, that's one thing I don't like about the X-Men Universe though, it's just so wide. I know the whole Ultimate series is a completely different universe to a certain extent, more a rebirth but it complcates things when you read Uncanny X Men for example.

I haven't read The End yet though
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Old 07-02-2005, 02:44 AM   #68
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I still don't buy it. How could he have suddenly just sprang back up to life and grown up, when the Riddler had dug up and stolen his body? I'm wanting to call fake-out on this one, but I'm not sure if they'd do another one so soon after the 'Hush' arc.

Also, if you read this month's Batman, they're not even sure whether or not Superman's faux-death was for real or not anymore. So depending on which way DC goes with that, you could chalk that up as another 'resurrection.'
Hence why I said possibly. I think it'd be kinda bad to bring him back. We voted him dead and bah gawd, he should stay that way unless we vote him alive again.
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Old 07-02-2005, 03:48 AM   #69
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Old 07-02-2005, 03:51 AM   #70
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Incidentally, not to bust up the nerd fest of mind control powers and hypervibrations, but isn't it simply possible that a guy looks difference in spandex than he does in a suit?

I mean, really. It doesn't take a lot of work for people to make themselves look slightly different, and glasses are a common way to obscure one's appearance. Why the fuck do people have to overthink something so simple so heavily?
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Old 07-04-2005, 03:31 PM   #71
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Lammy were you talking about Northstar from Alpha Flight?

Beast got killed in the Ultimate X-Men series a few months back
616 universe Northstar got killed by Wolverine about 4 issues ago when Wolverine was a Hand zombie.

Northstar is back now as a Hand zombie.
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Old 07-04-2005, 08:25 PM   #72
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Exceptions to your Marvel rule (including, but not limited to): The Incredible Hulk; The Punisher; Daredevil; Elektra; Spider-Man; Iron Man; Captain America; Fantastic Four; Thor; Blade; Ghost Rider; Captain Britain; Captain Marvel; Hawkeye [RIP]; and Power Man/Luke Cage.

Exceptions to your DC rule (including, but not limited to): Hawkman; Hawkgirl; Hal Jordan, John Stewart and Kyle Rayner (Green Lanterns); Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, Tim Drake and Stephanie Brown (Robins); Aquaman; Aqualad; Apache Chief; Captain Marvel; Arsenal; Wonder Woman; Barbara Gordon and Cassandra Cain (Batgirls); Booster Gold; the Wizard Shazam; Raven; John Constantine; Black Canary; Elongated Man; The Spectre; Adam Strange; Steel (John Irons); and Zatanna.

Personally, I think the main difference between the two labels is how they tell their stories. Recently, Marvel (and specifically Brian Michael Bendis) has been focusing very much on the people behind the masks and their struggles, as opposed to actual superhero adventure. This has been apparent in the Disassembled arcs, and especially in Bendis' recent Daredevil run. Marvel has been trying (too hard, some might argue) to make their characters more 'human'. DC has followed suit with all their stuff leading up to Infinite Crisis, but it's still mainly about the actual heroes.

I dunno. Just a thought.
Mutant means mutated person, which means irradiated/genetically altered, etc. So at least half of your Marvel list is wrong.
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Old 07-05-2005, 10:40 AM   #73
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"mutant" in the Marvel context means people with the X-Gene. This is all very well established in Marvel continuity.
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Old 07-05-2005, 06:46 PM   #74
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Marvel > DC
Not recently.

Also, not all Marvel characters are mutants. Just the majority of characters in the X-books. Outside of that there are not a lot of mutant characters.
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"mutant" in the Marvel context means people with the X-Gene. This is all very well established in Marvel continuity.
Only recently.

Marvel creators themselves used to state quite the opposite--That they were going with the definition of inborn traits not shared by either of the parents. They even went into debates over the nature of certain mutant's offspring, whether or not they were technically MUTANTS.

It wasn't until the latest re-starts (and the Hollywood era) TMI that they started treating more of these folks into the all-inclusive "X-Gene" type category. Ironic, since they had been using the "Homo Superior" tag for Mutants since the early 70s at least. It was just conveniently forgotten when it came down to technical debates because Marvel is pseudoscience.
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Old 07-05-2005, 07:57 PM   #76
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Not recently.

Also, not all Marvel characters are mutants. Just the majority of characters in the X-books. Outside of that there are not a lot of mutant characters.
There are quite a few, dating back from when X-Men got popular to the modern day.

However, in the early days, it was common to just use radiation. How many characters were similar to the F4, the Hulk, or Spider-Man? Mutant became one of the major explanations, even outside the X-Titles.

The Major difference is that one is Marvel and one is DC. Coke vs Pepsi. Pringles vs chips. Blonds vs brunettes. It's a difference of preference. Both have had strong, KILLER runs. Even though I'm not big on DC, Batman has had Year one, and the whole Dark Knight returns. Even Superman has had a few interesting story arcs, and I find him to be one of the least interesting characters in general.
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Superman is really only interesting when he's taken out of his regular situation. Continuity Superman is dull. Kingdom Come Superman is interesting. Red Son Superman is awesome.
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The only reason Superman is here today, is because he is generally considered the first ever superhero. Marvel has the better crop of characters IMO, but when it comes to major crossovers, DC blows them right out of the water. The infinity gauntlet and the death of captain marvel are the only marvel crossovers that really can stand up to DC's.
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You can say that in Marvel context, only the X-Books (and others, such as Firestar etc.) are all mutants, however the comparison was in COMIC context, not Marvel context. If we were arguing in Marvel context... then only Mutants are Mutants.

But if you want to look at who are actual mutants, rather than the Marvel-centric definition, it should be somewhere in a dictionary how one mutates. And if memory serves me correctly, I am a fucking nerd, then X-Mutants are a result of some sort of uh, ambient radioactivity, or some half-assed explanation.
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