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07-01-2005, 05:18 AM
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I thought Kenzo had been fired but I guess I was wrong...but seriously Kenzo is even more of a nobody than Dupree and doing anything short of firing him is laughable...pitiful even
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07-01-2005, 06:46 AM
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I don't mind the way the trade went. Let's look at the guys drafted:
Mark Jindrak Now he can enter a lackey role, or become the overpushed face superstar of the draft (I've giving that to Danny Basham, though). I can easily see Mark Jindrak coming down during the next Chris Masters promo, breaking out the The Masterlock, kicking Masters' ass, sending him back down to OVW, hopefully reducing him to a WWE developmental deal. Chavo Guerrero Chavo is not fucked. The WWE would not move the guy unless they had a plan for him. I think this guy can be a major player. It also works out because you had him booked as a babyface with London against The Mexicools on SD!. Now London has to fend for himself, and it gives room for Akio and Billy Kidman to step up as top heels in the division. Or you can even have Kidman turn face and side with Kidman again. In a way this allows Chavo to get the last laugh over London, and it lets Chavo move onto bigger (and probably better) things, maybe as a slimey heel that joins up with Triple H one week, Kurt Angle another and Chris Jericho the next. Rene Dupree Dupree was just finding his niche on SD! with the Cobra Clutch. I do remember reading something about one of the Diva Search II contestants speaking fluent French, so hire her and make her "la dévergondée dans la poche" to Dupree. I can see Rene Dupree & Kenzo Suzuki reforming their tandem to challenge The Hurricane & Rosey. I hope they don't continue that "Kenzo likes other women" thing. Kenzo and Hiroko as a married couple is enough for now. Kenzo Suzuki What exactly was he doing on SD!? So why not move him to RAW? Now he can team with Dupree, or become an "enhancement talent", blaming his constant loses on his wife. Danny Basham Awesome. I may not be a fan of breaking up tag teams, but if any two guys from a team are both going to make it on their own, its Doug & Danny Basham. Danny can now play his "Damaja" character, and maybe takeover as the resident ass-kicker of RAW. Basham can talk, and he can wrestle as well. Give him some solid matches against Triple H, have him shake hands with Cena a few times and you have yourself a decent upper-midcard face. Simon Dean Cruiserweight Division or teaming with Steven Richards. 'Nuff said. Steven Richards Richards can probably become fresh now. Have him and Simon Dean team as the bWo, have them pick up a tag team win over JBL and Orlando Jordan (perhaps with help from Batista), and you have yourself top challengers for MNM's WWE Tag Team Titles. Then there are The Mexicools, who are just begging for a stable to feud with. Sylvain Grenier I'll be honest, I don't quite understand this draft. I would if JBL didn't have plans for The Great American Bash, but he does so I'm lost. I can see Grenier facing Chris Benoit at the Bash, but I don't see any long-term plans for the guy. He's talented, and he's got some heat going for him, so you may as well use him. Give this guy a push in the US Division. Candice Michelle I knew she'd end up on SD!. I'm not too thrilled about her, though. William Regal YES!!!!!! REGAL!!!!!!!!!!!  The WWE needs to have Regal beat Orlando on SD!, and become the new United States Champion. I will mark out like a bitch, and I'm not even a Regal mark. If JBL can become World Champion on SD!, William Regal can, so I have high hopes for Willie R. on SD!.
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07-01-2005, 07:10 AM
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07-01-2005, 09:21 AM
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and yet Tajiri and Hurricane remain on raw
All these guys are just gonna be Heat and Velocity people.. I guess Rene and Robert could reunite La Resistance. then next year Sylvein Grenier gets drafted back to Raw and Conway goes to Smackdown and the cycle continues. |
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07-01-2005, 09:23 AM
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Chavo being the ic champ i can actually picture, he suits that division more, especially as i'm bored with him being in the dead and buried cruiserweight division.
Though i was really hoping tajiri would move to smackdown, this was the perfect time to do it and he would've fit in perfectly with that show, but no, keep jobbing him on heat why don't you WWE and put Candice Michelle on smackdown instead. Bitches. |
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07-01-2005, 09:31 AM
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07-01-2005, 09:36 AM
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07-01-2005, 11:53 AM
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I'm soooo glad Richards and dean got moved to smackdown
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07-01-2005, 12:31 PM
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How unfair is this??? already SD are getting the shit end of the stick so they lose one of their best cruiserweights and lose RVD and all they get is Stevie Richards and some other crap.
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07-01-2005, 01:23 PM
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I fear for Chavo on RAW. I just hope he doesn't end up like Tajiri over there.
Carlito will eventually become a babyface, so I guess there would be a door open for a fued there. But for right now, I dont see where he fits in. Regal isn't a full time wrestler anymore, so he'll just find another role where he can talk and wrestle every now and then. Maybe he'll be Heidenreich's best friend. Or, a manager for Morgan. I could just picture Regal's looks when Morgan is stuttering. The Basham guy was supposed to be good in OVW, maybe now he gets a chance to break out on his own. Is Cade still employed? If he is, I guess they could put him and Jindrak back together. If not, I dont know what they are going to do with him. They should bring back Meanie and reform the BWO to fued with JBL, just for laughs. Greneir never struck me as someone that could get over on his own. Dupree ont he other hand does. Maybe they do a quick reunion of La Res V3 or 4 or whatever it is, and then have them break up. Dupree vs Conway seems like it would have more of a chance that Conway-Grenier. I dont know, most of this is just trading guys that would have been on Heat and now will be on Velocity. |
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07-01-2005, 01:27 PM
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Personally, I think Chavo should put on a few pounds and be in the IC title scene with Dupree/Shelton/Carlito
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07-01-2005, 01:41 PM
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07-01-2005, 02:01 PM
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I don't think there should be so much emphasis put on these secondary trades. They're made to shake things up in the mid and lower card slots. Don't expect guys to move drastically up or down the card either way. Thinking that Chavo is going to be on Heat is along the same lines as thinking that Kurt Angle is gonna get stuck in midcard hell.
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07-01-2005, 02:01 PM
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WWE.com has learned that RAW General Manager Eric Bischoff and SmackDown! General Manager Theodore Long have agreed on a blockbuster 11-person deal that will likely have a big impact on both rosters.
RAW brand gets: Mark Jindrak: Former WCW Tag Team Champion Rene Dupree: Former WWE Tag Team Champion; former World Tag Team Champion Danny Basham: Two-time former WWE Tag Team Champion Kenzo Suzuki (with Hiroko): Former WWE Tag Team Champion Chavo Guerrero: Five-time former Cruiserweight Champion; two-time former WWE Tag Team Champion SmackDown! brand gets: William Regal: Four-time former WCW Television Champion; three-time former Hardcore Champion; four-time former European Champion; former Intercontinental Champion; four-time former World Tag Team Champion Candice: 2004 RAW Diva Search contestant Sylvain Grenier: Four-time former World Tag Team Champion Simon Dean: Former RAW sponsor Steven Richards: Former two-time ECW Tag Team Champion; former 21-time Hardcore Champion Watch RAW on Monday (9/8CT; Spike TV) for more on this trade. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- I think this is a horrible trade... Kenzo/Hiroko - not significant at all, should be part of roster cuts Danny Basham - why break up one of few legitimate tag-teams, HORRIBLE MOVE Mark Jindrak - pretty insignificant as well, should also be cut, too generic Rene Dupree - no point of swapping Grenier/Dupree killing the reformation, HORRIBLE MOVE Chavo Guerrero - I don't mind this move, he's contributed enough to cruiserweight wrestling, Chavo-Shelton = money William Regal - Tajiri definitely should have been the one being traded,  Candice - roster cuts, anyone? Sylvain Grenier - way to kill La Resistance, HORRIBLE MOVE Simon Dean - could be a good move, especially if there's a tag-team with Stevie Stevie Richards - if he's teaming with Dean, then it's good, otherwise, completely insignificant |
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07-01-2005, 02:57 PM
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 Stevie Richards - 21 time Hardcore Champ.Personally, I'm pretty mixed about the trades. Here's my thoughts: To Raw: Mark Jindrak: At Best: Gets his reflection of perfection gimmick back and feuds with Masters, goes on to become a credible midcarder. At Worst: Get's stuck on Heat, or gets fired. Prediction: FIRED Good or Bad move: If he doesn't get fired then I guess this as a good move, as he was doing fu*k all on SmackDown. Rene Dupree: At Best: Establishes himself as a solid upper-midcarder, feuding for the I.C Title At Worst: Gets stuck on Heat. Prediction: La Resistance version.3425346 is formed, have some meaningless Tag Title runs, then next year one of them is off to SmackDown! Good or Bad move: Depends, if my prediction is correct, then  nothing great, but it's more than he was doing on SmackDown. If he does establish himself and feud around IC Title level however - then good, this guy is like 22, he could be in the business for another 20 years and he has potential, so I want to see him booked right.Danny Basham: At Best: Becomes "Damaja" once again, and gets good air-time on Raw, has some solid mid-card feuds. At Worst: Gets stuck on Heat, teaming with a buried face. Prediction: I really think we will see Damaja again, otherwise there really was no point at all in this trade. Good or Bad move: If Damaja returns and gets good air-time then good, if Danny gets stuck on heat without a feud then bad. Kenzo Suzuki: At Best: Becomes a jobber to the stars. At Worst: Gets fired. Prediction: He's big and talentless, so I very much doubt he'll be fired, so... he'll be stuck on heat. Good or Bad move: Kenzo sucks, wherever he is - he sucks, however if he is used to get an up-and-coming star over then it's a good move (Maybe Dupree) also on Raw he'll probably get less air-time, so that's good too. However if Kenzo doesn't get fired it is a bad move, for he is still on my T.V. Chavo Guerrero: At Best: Takes the step out of the Cruiser Division (ala Mysterio) and begins feuding with upper-midcarders, I.C Title runs could come out of this too. At Worst: Gets stuck on heat, or becomes jobber to Chris Masters. Prediction: After a few months on heat, Chavo begins to establish himself as a legit IC Title contender, and goes on to win the title. Good or bad move: Good, Chavo has achieved all he can in the CW Division, it's time for him to step up a level, and the IC Division is a little weak on Raw! with Chavo Guerrero, CHAVO F**KING GUERRERO, amongst others, the IC Division really could pick up. To SmackDown!: William Regal: At Best: Becomes involved in US title feuds, and is recognised as an upper-midcarder once again and/or Becomes GM to Smackdown after Teddy's time is up. At Worst: Gets the Hardcore job once Haas has been punished enough, stays on Velocity, has a silent retirement which no casual fan cares about. Prediction: I see him forming a tag team of some sort down in Velocity for a few months, then after Theodore Long is fired or quits as GM, Regal gets the throne. Good or Bad move: Good, Regal was doing nothing on Raw, here on Smackdown, Regal has a better oppurtunity as establishing himself as a wrestler, or as the GM. If he gets into the US Title division - Good. If he becomes GM - Good. If he gets stuck on Velocity - No different to what he was doing on RAW really. Candice Michelle: At Best: Gets fired At Worst: Gets fired Prediction: Gets fired Good or Bad move:.....Which "Diva" is she anyway? Sylvain Grenier: At Best: Joins the US Title division, maybe a feud with Regal, Britain V France - for the US title! At Worst: Forms a crappy tag-team, gets stuck on Velocity. Prediction: Becomes a contender for the US Title, but it doesn't ever get around his waist, like Rene last year. Good or Bad move: This could be either, if he gets into the US Title division and becomes a midcarder featuring on SmackDown every week, then good. If he gets stuck on Velocity then bad. Simon Dean: At Best: Could become another contender for the US Title if booked right - making a nice solid US Title division. Maybe even doing this as Nova. OR could form a Tag Team with Stevie Richards and adding to the Tag Division. At Worst: The same thing he did on Raw, 2 months of "Simon System", appears as a midcarder, then disappears into the mysterious land which they call 'Velocity' and occasionally features on Smackdown to job to the flavor of the month. Or - FIRED. Prediction: I see a Dean/Richards tag team coming soon. Good or Bad move: Good, he was doing nothing on RAW, his gimmick is dead - the worst that can happen is he continues doing what he was doing on RAW (or gets fired), but I think he will get a fresh gimmick and team with Richards - which is good. Steven Richards: At Best: He's been buried so much over the years, I think it's impossible to make him a US Title contender, but if he is given a fresh gimmick then who knows? OR He could form a tag team with Simon Dean. At Worst: Does exactly what he was doing on RAW becomes Stevie Night Velocity and jobs to randoms, or takes a walk down unemployed street. Prediction: Teams with Simon Dean. Good or Bad move: Good, Vince is said to be high on Richards so I'm hoping to see some fresh new things from Stevie on SmackDown. Overall I think the trades aren't so bad at all. Grenier and Danny Basham moving are the only real 'WHY' trades, but if they get a good singles push then I see no problem in these trades. Some trades are insignificant, but demonstrate that 'ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN IN THE WWE!' (Kenzo, Jindrak and Candice). But all the rest I see a purpose for, I think many could be in store for pushes, I mean SURELY there is some reason for the trades? But then again Vince is in charge. Meh, we'll have to wait and see... *Breathes* (LONGEST.POST.EVAR) Last edited by NoRoolz; 07-01-2005 at 03:08 PM. |
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07-01-2005, 06:03 PM
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07-01-2005, 06:19 PM
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I can only hope that this trade means good things for some of these guys. But honestly....I think the WWE fucked up again.
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07-01-2005, 06:27 PM
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I am confused....why? I mean not like many of these people have done anything on Raw or Smackdown in Months, (shrugs) I'm not highly concered really as long as they don't screw with certain people I'm fine.
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07-01-2005, 09:22 PM
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OK, NoRoolz pretty much said what I was trying to say, but here are how I'd book the traded superstars over the next few weeks on RAW and SmackDown!:
Rene Dupree Have him team with Rob Conway to face The Hurricane & Rosey, oly for Rob Conway to walk out on Dupree. Let Dupree then become fodder for the World Tag Team Champions before he gets some revenge on Conway, and moves up to IC level. Mark Jindrak He answers The Masterlock Challenge and escapes from Masters' submission hold, which should get him a good enough face pop. Jindrak then gives the money to some kid at ringside, or he throws it into the crowd in small doses. Masters then attacks Jindrak, but gets hi ass handed to him, before jobbing out to the Sinister Frichen of Jindrak followed by the Mark of Excellence. From there, play it by ear. Either have him feud with Carlito for the IC Title or have him join up with Triple H or Kurt Angle as a heel lackey. Maybe have him team with Garrison Cade after he returns and turns on HBK. Danny Basham I'm predicting he will be the Shelton of this year's draft. Breakout star of the year perhaps. Have Danny nowhere to be seen for RAW, and then have a clusterfuck as the main event. John Cena, Shawn Michaels, Shelton Benjamin, The Big Show & Kane vs. Triple H, Kurt Angle, Chris Jericho, Tyson Tomko & Edge or something of the like. Have things looking to be in the heels court, but Cena makes the hot tag (have him isolated for a change) to Shelton Benjamin or The Big Show, who cleans house before things begin to break-down again. Suddenly, through the crowd comes Danny Basham with a silver steel chair (I dunno, just to give Danny a signature weapon, I guess), and he goes to town on EVERYONE. The referee calls for the bell to signify the Double DQ. but before he can make the call he's waffled by Danny. Basham hits everyone, and even hits Jericho and Angle twice. Triple H is manages to sneak behind Basham but....FLAIR LOW BLOWS TRIPLE H!!!!!!!!! Danny Basham then hits The Pedigree on Triple H, and we have Danny and Flair close the show standing tall. It could work without the Flair thing, but the easiest way to get a guy over as a babyface would probably be to stick him with Ric Flair. Doug Basham He's just as affected by this trade scenario as Danny Basham is. Doug has just as much skill as Danny, and he can make it huge as well. Have him join-up with Randy Orton to form a "Revolution" stable. On SD!, Doug says he's finally on his own, and he actually requested Danny's trade to RAW. Douglas says Daniel was known as "The Phenom" in OVW, well Doug is the Phenom of SmackDown!. This draws out The Undertaker who makes his way to the ring, but BAM! Out of nowhere comes Randy Orton, and the two heels beatdown The Deadman. This is a solid beatdown, too. None of that "the heels assault 'Taker but he gets back-up and the heels run off scared" bullcrap. Basham and Orton kick 'Taker's ass. Doug becomes Orton's "partner" and while Orton heads towards the World Heavyweight Championship, Doug spends time in the US Division. Give his flying headscissor driver thingy a name, too. Kenzo Suzuki Meh. Just have him do his thing. Chavo Guerrero I'd have him face Tajiri, and go over strong. Then have him tease his way into the main event somehow. This tests the waters to see if the fans already take him seriously, or if they need to do a bit of extra build-up before they put him in the IC Division. Either way, he gets that belt soon. William Regal Please have him win the US Title next week. Please have him win it with the Regal Stretch. Please let him wrestle Benoit for the belt in the near future. Please keep him face and let him continue the hilarity of his promos. Please let him feud with JBL and go over strong. Please let him hold the World Championship at least once in his life. Sylvain Grenier I think I remember something about a non-serious statement by Rob Conway who said Sylvain Grenier wants to record an album one day. Why not take this further and have him sing a song for us on SmackDown!. One that he wrote. Something really cheesy about him owning his destiny and bringing the world to its knees. He then goes over Booker T cleanly (in a convincing fashion so it looks liek Grenier is World Championship material, or at least he will be in the near-future). The next week have him come out to the song he sang on SmackDown! the week prior, and have it set permanently as his theme song. Grenier is talented, and he can make it further than many people believe he can. Just give him something to run with, and don't pull any punches with him. For some reason I see this guy as a modern-day Val Venis. If the WWE faulters with him, I can see him being lower on the card for the rest of his life, but if the go the whole way, he will be talented enough to hold his placing. Candice Michelle Stick her with Sylvain Grenier, Charlie Haas, Simon Dean, etc. and have her look pretty. Simon Dean Does anyone else think a face push would work for this guy? Not even as Nova, but as "The Super Nova of Fitness" Simon Dean? The guy's hilarious on the mic, and awesome in the ring. Give him some time, have him come out and tear into JBL saying he's not talented, he's fat, and the only reason he attacked Blue Meanie was because Meanie chewed the scenery before JBL could eat it. JBL and Orlando Jordan then try to beat on Dean, but Simon's just too fast and sends both guys out of the ring. on't go too far with their feud, not to step on Batista's toes, but for a one night thing, JBL vs. Simon Dean could be damn entertaining. Steven Richards I know people are hoping/expecting a bWo reunion, but I think they could hold it off, at least for a while. Have Heidenreich and a Mystery Partner challenge MNM for the WWE Tag Team Championship on SD! next week. It turns out Steven Richards is Heidenreich's new friend, and Richards and Heidenreich actually win the titles when Richards catches a Superkick from Nitro, and hits one of his Steven Kicks for the win. MNM are the only tag team on SD! left (besides Haas & Holly) and the best way to slap two guys together is to have them beat an established team (it worked for London & Kidman). It would also make the kiddies happy, and is a good way to get SR over as a decent babyface, bcause let's face it, Richards doesn't really have the credibility to be launched into the US Division, and the CW Division may not be best to be based around him (although I can see him fitting in). One week after they win the titles, Heidenreich & Richards defend successfully against Muhammad Hassan & Khosrow Daivari, then the week after they beat JBL & Orlando Jordan, then Psicosis & Super Crazy, then another two heel cruiserweights. Hell, they can even get four jobbers, tie them together into two groups of two, and defend the titles against "The Super Jobbers". It wouldn't be pretty, but it would be awesomely entertaining. Actually that sounds like more of a Steven Richards/Simon Dean thing to do. Screw it, just reform the bWo. At least they wouldn't be makeshift. |
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I would actually have Masters and Jindrack be a team. It's the perfect tandem. Give them some robes, give them a cool name, make them flashy and make them your top heel team. I think it could work.
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I agree with Loose Cannon, team them up. Someone is about to break the Masterlock, Jindrack runs in and makes sure the Masterlock is kept in. Thus a new team is formed.
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So the Masterpeice of Perfection could be their name?
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Fuck that. MAster sis going to be managed by JR. They will be known as KC MAsterpiece.
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i dont even get smackdown in my area. SD! got replaced with nationals games
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