Oh dear God! CM Punk's new WWE gimmick - Page 2

**The Mackem** · 08-05-2005, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by TL

The Mackem-the difference is that CM Punk was well known about.We didn't really know about Dinsmore before.

I don't see why that matters.

**Chavo Classic** · 08-05-2005, 10:22 AM

I'm 22 in three months, I think I should maybe stop watching it too.

**Chavo Classic** · 08-05-2005, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by The Mackem

Which won't be as innovative, refreshing or creative as we've already seen it for the past three years.

I haven't. I've seen very little of CM Punk and I'm guessing most of the WWE mainstream, mark audience haven't either. I see no harm with bringing in CM Punk as he is.

**SuperSlim** · 08-05-2005, 10:24 AM

what exactly was his gimmick?

**Kane Knight** · 08-05-2005, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Youell

He's going to be a deaf wrestler, a deaf fucking wrestler! What the fuck, why dear god why

credit PWInsider

So he can tag with the returning Zack Gowen?

**Londoner** · 08-05-2005, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by The Mackem

I don't see why that matters.

Well it does matter because CM Punk has got a fanbase now from that gimmick, and the people have connected with him through it,now when you change a gimmick thats popular& change it to a gimmick such as this on top of that,, your seriously risking pissing off the fans that know him under that gimmick.

I don't know him that well, but he seems popular on this board so i'm guessing he's well known outside of WWE.

**Chavo Classic** · 08-05-2005, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperSlim

what exactly was his gimmick?

I've read that he's a straight-edge guy who belittles everyone who isn't. I'm not really up with my ROH stuff, but basically all I've heard about Punk is that he's one talented mo-fo and has a genuinely good gimmick.

I'd really like to see some of his matches, especially those against Raven when beer was pour down his throat against his will. If anyone can get hold of anything to do with Punk and his matches and post them, then I'd really appreciate it.

**The Mackem** · 08-05-2005, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Chavo Classic

I haven't. I've seen very little of CM Punk and I'm guessing most of the WWE mainstream, mark audience haven't either. I see no harm with bringing in CM Punk as he is.

Well for starters it would be watered down which would have the majority of indy fans crying rape. "Oh my God what the fuck have they done with his character" or "meh, it was better in ROH", he won't be in the main event for obvious reasons and he won't be able to use some of his moves especially the Pepsi plunge.

**Chavo Classic** · 08-05-2005, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by TL

Well it does matter because CM Punk has got a fanbase now from that gimmick, and the people have connected with him through it,now when you change a gimmick thats popular& change it to a gimmick such as this on top of that,, your seriously risking pissing off the fans that know him under that gimmick.

I don't know him that well, but he seems popular on this board so i'm guessing he's well known outside of WWE.

Foley details an experience that happened to him when he joined the WWF in 'Have a Nice Day' which is very similar to this. Basically, he'd been Cactus Jack for years and had adapted and very convincing and powerful character. He wanted to stay as Jack and couldn't see why Vince wanted to give him a god awful 'Mason the Mutilator' (later changed into Mankind) gimmick.

But to his credit, Foley took it as a challenge. He worked with it and evolved into one of the most successful gimmicks to date. CM Punk should be able to do the same, and what has already been suggested - that one day he reveales its a swerve and a hoax - would be a great idea for the future if he catches on in the big leagues.

**SuperSlim** · 08-05-2005, 10:35 AM

well the gimmick doesn't sound to original

**Chavo Classic** · 08-05-2005, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by The Mackem

Well for starters it would be watered down which would have the majority of indy fans crying rape. "Oh my God what the fuck have they done with his character" or "meh, it was better in ROH", he won't be in the main event for obvious reasons and he won't be able to use some of his moves especially the Pepsi plunge.

So what, its going to be watered down? So what, indy fans will cry rape? Indy fans cry rape at everything the WWE do, why should either party care about this? Indy fans will continue not to watch WWE television and WWE would have a wrestler with a gimmick which has been a proven hit in smaller territories. It's worth taking the risk, especially since they'll only be upsetting a bunch of inbreed ROH fans who hate their guts anyway.

**The Mackem** · 08-05-2005, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by TL

Well it does matter because CM Punk has got a fanbase now from that gimmick, and the people have connected with him through it,now when you change a gimmick thats popular& change it to a gimmick such as this on top of that,, your seriously risking pissing off the fans that know him under that gimmick.

I don't know him that well, but he seems popular on this board so i'm guessing he's well known outside of WWE.

He's either well known in the mainstream or he's not, we need to get this clear before we start discussing it.

The fact that the WWE are changing his gimmick is neither here no there, it was bound to happen. TNA didn't use him exclusively in his straight edge gimmick. In fact they almost had him cry on screen "Raven we need you sob sob".

CM Punk is a good, intelligent wrestler, if anyone can pull off a stupid gimmick to perfection, it's him.

**Chavo Classic** · 08-05-2005, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperSlim

well the gimmick doesn't sound to original

You mean it's a bit like HBK but with alcohol and drugs instead of wrong religious decisions? You're probably right.

**SuperSlim** · 08-05-2005, 10:40 AM

well I'm just sayin, how hard could it be to find someone to pull off that sort ofgimmick. I was thinkin it was somethin truly original and wow. Instead it's like

wow

**Chavo Classic** · 08-05-2005, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by The Mackem

He's either well known in the mainstream or he's not, we need to get this clear before we start discussing it.

The fact that the WWE are changing his gimmick is neither here no there, it was bound to happen. TNA didn't use him exclusively in his straight edge gimmick. In fact they almost had him cry on screen "Raven we need you sob sob".

CM Punk is a good, intelligent wrestler, if anyone can pull off a stupid gimmick to perfection, it's him.

All the best to him. Like I said with my Foley comparison, if he's a genuine talent he'll run with the ball and evolve with the character.

**Chavo Classic** · 08-05-2005, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperSlim

well I'm just sayin, how hard could it be to find someone to pull off that sort ofgimmick. I was thinkin it was somethin truly original and wow. Instead it's like

wow

No, its not groundbreaking. It's just something that I'd like to see more of. Personally, I hate the majority of straight-edge kids. Fair play for resisting temptation and fighting off the urges that come with peer pressure and modern day societal pressures, but it's their inflated sense of superiority and their desire to tell just about everyone how marvellous they are.

So, I'd love to see someone like that get the crap beaten out of them every week. For me, he's the perfect heel.

**Skippord** · 08-05-2005, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by The Mackem

Well for starters it would be watered down which would have the majority of indy fans crying rape. "Oh my God what the fuck have they done with his character" or "meh, it was better in ROH", he won't be in the main event for obvious reasons and he won't be able to use some of his moves especially the Pepsi plunge.

He couldnt use the Pepsi Plunge cause he would have no balence at all

Seriously though this is a bad Idea he will be fired when the gimmick doesnt take off

**SuperSlim** · 08-05-2005, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Skippord

He couldnt use the Pepsi Plunge cause he would have no balence at all

Seriously though this is a bad Idea he will be fired when the gimmick doesnt take off

if he's as talented as he is being made out to be, he can do this

**Chavo Classic** · 08-05-2005, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Skippord

He couldnt use the Pepsi Plunge cause he would have no balence at all

Seriously though this is a bad Idea he will be fired when the gimmick doesnt take off

Hopefully it will take off. But if it doesn't (how many deaf wrestler gimmicks are there afterall?) then he can either pull off that 'it was all a hoax' idea or go to OVW and come back with a new gimmick. By then, at least by WWE's logic, we'll all have forgotten about his old 'deaf' gimmick.

**Chavo Classic** · 08-05-2005, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperSlim

if he's as talented as he is being made out to be, he can do this

We need someone to post some of his matches so we can watch. There's only so far I can argue a man's side without actually knowing all that much about him.

**SuperSlim** · 08-05-2005, 10:50 AM

I'll download some, watch them, and post some so they can be seen.

**Chavo Classic** · 08-05-2005, 10:52 AM

Good man Slim.

If you really care, I might just rep you too.

**SuperSlim** · 08-05-2005, 11:10 AM

I saw the pepsi plunge and a short little best of CM Punk. 3 minute segment. so far so good

**Londoner** · 08-05-2005, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Chavo Classic

All the best to him. Like I said with my Foley comparison, if he's a genuine talent he'll run with the ball and evolve with the character.

Only difference is back then the writers knew what they were doing.The WWE got lucky with Eugene, but they're pushing their luck here.

**Chavo Classic** · 08-05-2005, 11:17 AM

Nice. Share the wealth?

**Chavo Classic** · 08-05-2005, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by TL

Only difference is back then the writers knew what they were doing.The WWE got lucky with Eugene, but they're pushing their luck here.

The writers knew what they were doing? All respect to the previous writing team, but putting the charismatic Mick Foley in a custome that, by his words, made him look like a 'giant poop' and making him talk out of a boiler room probably wasn't the soundest gimmick ever.

The WWE did get very lucky with Eugene. They tweaked the character a few weeks in just at the right time before it started getting offensive. Eugene is a tremendous gimmick, which also owes a lot of its success to how much of a talented man Nick Dinsmore is. You can't put any old wrestler in something as sensitive as this and expect it to succeed.

**thecc** · 08-05-2005, 11:20 AM

If I can figure out how to rip dvds I can rip the dog collar match with raven. I think Punk is an extremely talented wrestler and as much as I hate this gimmick I have faith in Punk and that he will make the best of it. Hey also maybe he could be deaf and straight edge

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**Chavo Classic** · 08-05-2005, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by thecc

If I can figure out how to rip dvds I can rip the dog collar match with raven. I think Punk is an extremely talented wrestler and as much as I hate this gimmick I have faith in Punk and that he will make the best of it. Hey also maybe he could be deaf and straight edge

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If you can post that match then I'd rep you until your ass was sore.

I've no idea how those two are connected though

**Londoner** · 08-05-2005, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Chavo Classic

The writers knew what they were doing? All respect to the previous writing team, but putting the charismatic Mick Foley in a custome that, by his words, made him look like a 'giant poop' and making him talk out of a boiler room probably wasn't the soundest gimmick ever.

The WWE did get very lucky with Eugene. They tweaked the character a few weeks in just at the right time before it started getting offensive. Eugene is a tremendous gimmick, which also owes a lot of its success to how much of a talented man Nick Dinsmore is. You can't put any old wrestler in something as sensitive as this and expect it to succeed.

What i meant was they probably knew how to pull it off and you would've had faith back then for them to do so, now its like we expect them to fail.

**Chavo Classic** · 08-05-2005, 11:27 AM

True. If we were all smarks on an internet forum back in the mid 90s (the peak of ridiculous gimmicks) this would be an everyday occurance. You just don't expect it now.

Maybe it's a self fulfilling prophecy. We think Punk is going to fail, so we bitch and moan about the gimmick and we don't watch and support him or buy his merch, and then the WWE thinks it isn't catching on so they pull the plug. Then we'll all be sad, pretty much like with what has happened with Hassan. I know I'm not the only one who misses him.

**Chavo Classic** · 08-05-2005, 11:28 AM

...and Mordecai. We were all too busy whinging that we didn't take enough attention, and one day, he's jobbing to a hat in OVW.

**SuperSlim** · 08-05-2005, 11:29 AM

hey I liked the Mordecai gimmick

**Chavo Classic** · 08-05-2005, 11:33 AM

It was good. But I was too busy bitching out how pants I though it was that I never really wanted him to succeed. Now that he's gone, I feel sad.

**Londoner** · 08-05-2005, 11:34 AM

Mordecai was a good gimmick, but the writers reminded us of how shit they're.

**SuperSlim** · 08-05-2005, 11:36 AM

I think he pulled the character off rather well. I'm still downloading a few more matches. the best of CM Punk 3 minute segment is being uplaoded right now

**Skippord** · 08-05-2005, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Chavo Classic

If you can post that match then I'd rape you until your ass was sore.

I've no idea how those two are connected though

**Chavo Classic** · 08-05-2005, 11:37 AM

It was a good idea. Some crazy lunatic religious guy who beat on everyone who sinned. It's just that they took it too seriously and made me walk out to scary music. It'd be nice to see him played in a similar sort of way to (speak of the devil) CM Punk, who is frustrated by the sinful world around him and wants to take matters into his own hands.

**Kane Knight** · 08-05-2005, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by TL

Mordecai was a good gimmick, but the writers reminded us of how shit they're.

Good Gimmick, shit wrestler.

**Chavo Classic** · 08-05-2005, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperSlim

I think he pulled the character off rather well. I'm still downloading a few more matches. the best of CM Punk 3 minute segment is being uplaoded right now

I love you Slim... in that platonic sort of way

**Chavo Classic** · 08-05-2005, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Kane Knight

Good Gimmick, shit wrestler.

I honestly thought it was Matt Capotelli for the first few weeks. I'd keep rubbing my eyes in amazement and say "Wow, he's really bulked up... and increased in height by several inches"

I'm not the sharpest tool in the drawer

08-05-2005, 11:20 AM	#67
thecc Polyam cult member #420 Posts: 2,966	If I can figure out how to rip dvds I can rip the dog collar match with raven. I think Punk is an extremely talented wrestler and as much as I hate this gimmick I have faith in Punk and that he will make the best of it. Hey also maybe he could be deaf and straight edge.

08-05-2005, 10:22 AM	#42
Chavo Classic The Great Pink Hope Posts: 8,817	I'm 22 in three months, I think I should maybe stop watching it too.

08-05-2005, 10:24 AM	#44
SuperSlim Oh Sht* Posts: 19,302	what exactly was his gimmick?

08-05-2005, 10:35 AM	#50
SuperSlim Oh Sht* Posts: 19,302	well the gimmick doesn't sound to original

08-05-2005, 10:40 AM	#54
SuperSlim Oh Sht* Posts: 19,302	well I'm just sayin, how hard could it be to find someone to pull off that sort ofgimmick. I was thinkin it was somethin truly original and wow. Instead it's like wow

08-05-2005, 10:50 AM	#61
SuperSlim Oh Sht* Posts: 19,302	I'll download some, watch them, and post some so they can be seen.

08-05-2005, 10:52 AM	#62
Chavo Classic The Great Pink Hope Posts: 8,817	Good man Slim. If you really care, I might just rep you too.

08-05-2005, 11:10 AM	#63
SuperSlim Oh Sht* Posts: 19,302	I saw the pepsi plunge and a short little best of CM Punk. 3 minute segment. so far so good

08-05-2005, 11:17 AM	#65
Chavo Classic The Great Pink Hope Posts: 8,817	Nice. Share the wealth?

08-05-2005, 11:27 AM	#70
Chavo Classic The Great Pink Hope Posts: 8,817	True. If we were all smarks on an internet forum back in the mid 90s (the peak of ridiculous gimmicks) this would be an everyday occurance. You just don't expect it now. Maybe it's a self fulfilling prophecy. We think Punk is going to fail, so we bitch and moan about the gimmick and we don't watch and support him or buy his merch, and then the WWE thinks it isn't catching on so they pull the plug. Then we'll all be sad, pretty much like with what has happened with Hassan. I know I'm not the only one who misses him.

08-05-2005, 11:28 AM	#71
Chavo Classic The Great Pink Hope Posts: 8,817	...and Mordecai. We were all too busy whinging that we didn't take enough attention, and one day, he's jobbing to a hat in OVW.

08-05-2005, 11:29 AM	#72
SuperSlim Oh Sht* Posts: 19,302	hey I liked the Mordecai gimmick

08-05-2005, 11:33 AM	#73
Chavo Classic The Great Pink Hope Posts: 8,817	It was good. But I was too busy bitching out how pants I though it was that I never really wanted him to succeed. Now that he's gone, I feel sad.

08-05-2005, 11:34 AM	#74
Londoner One Of A Kind Posts: 22,178	Mordecai was a good gimmick, but the writers reminded us of how shit they're.

08-05-2005, 11:36 AM	#75
SuperSlim Oh Sht* Posts: 19,302	I think he pulled the character off rather well. I'm still downloading a few more matches. the best of CM Punk 3 minute segment is being uplaoded right now

08-05-2005, 11:37 AM	#77
Chavo Classic The Great Pink Hope Posts: 8,817	It was a good idea. Some crazy lunatic religious guy who beat on everyone who sinned. It's just that they took it too seriously and made me walk out to scary music. It'd be nice to see him played in a similar sort of way to (speak of the devil) CM Punk, who is frustrated by the sinful world around him and wants to take matters into his own hands.