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Old 08-05-2005, 10:01 AM   #1
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...and that CM Punk already has a gimmick. Perhaps one of the most innovation, refreshing and creative gimmicks that's been thought of for the last 3 years.

I've got a conspiracy theory...

The WWE doesn't want the marks to know that other wrestling promotions can come up with creative gimmicks, so this is why they have given him a new gimmick!
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Old 08-05-2005, 10:12 AM   #2
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I've got a conspiracy theory...

The WWE doesn't want the marks to know that other wrestling promotions can come up with creative gimmicks, so this is why they have given him a new gimmick!
Thats not a conspiracy - it's fact. Vince doesn't want anyone to know there are alternatives to his product. So when CM Punk arrived, he instantly wanted to remove all traces of the past so people won't say:

"Hey, that CM Punk guy is new. Where's he from? Oh, that's right, he's from Ring of Honor... lets go check that out"

Vince is completely ruthless, just like how he didn't acknowledge WCW for years until kayfabe became blurred and he had too. Thats why when people like Paul London and Spanky debutted, they weren't wrestlers from ROH or anywhere else, they were local wrestlers who wanted one shot at the big time.

Vince has the monopoly, and he wants to keep it that way.
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Old 08-05-2005, 10:18 AM   #3
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Thats not a conspiracy - it's fact. Vince doesn't want anyone to know there are alternatives to his product. So when CM Punk arrived, he instantly wanted to remove all traces of the past so people won't say:

"Hey, that CM Punk guy is new. Where's he from? Oh, that's right, he's from Ring of Honor... lets go check that out"

Vince is completely ruthless, just like how he didn't acknowledge WCW for years until kayfabe became blurred and he had too. Thats why when people like Paul London and Spanky debutted, they weren't wrestlers from ROH or anywhere else, they were local wrestlers who wanted one shot at the big time.

Vince has the monopoly, and he wants to keep it that way.

Well it will be a conspiracy until Vince admits to it.

And Vince may have the monopoly, but he'll lose the viewers if he continues like this.And i am very close to never watching the WWE again.
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Old 08-05-2005, 10:04 AM   #4
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Old 08-05-2005, 10:21 AM   #5
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...and that CM Punk already has a gimmick. Perhaps one of the most innovation, refreshing and creative gimmicks that's been thought of for the last 3 years.
Which won't be as innovative, refreshing or creative as we've already seen it for the past three years.
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Old 08-05-2005, 10:23 AM   #6
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Which won't be as innovative, refreshing or creative as we've already seen it for the past three years.
I haven't. I've seen very little of CM Punk and I'm guessing most of the WWE mainstream, mark audience haven't either. I see no harm with bringing in CM Punk as he is.
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Old 08-05-2005, 10:34 AM   #7
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I haven't. I've seen very little of CM Punk and I'm guessing most of the WWE mainstream, mark audience haven't either. I see no harm with bringing in CM Punk as he is.
Well for starters it would be watered down which would have the majority of indy fans crying rape. "Oh my God what the fuck have they done with his character" or "meh, it was better in ROH", he won't be in the main event for obvious reasons and he won't be able to use some of his moves especially the Pepsi plunge.
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Old 08-05-2005, 10:37 AM   #8
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Well for starters it would be watered down which would have the majority of indy fans crying rape. "Oh my God what the fuck have they done with his character" or "meh, it was better in ROH", he won't be in the main event for obvious reasons and he won't be able to use some of his moves especially the Pepsi plunge.
So what, its going to be watered down? So what, indy fans will cry rape? Indy fans cry rape at everything the WWE do, why should either party care about this? Indy fans will continue not to watch WWE television and WWE would have a wrestler with a gimmick which has been a proven hit in smaller territories. It's worth taking the risk, especially since they'll only be upsetting a bunch of inbreed ROH fans who hate their guts anyway.
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Old 08-05-2005, 10:43 AM   #9
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Well for starters it would be watered down which would have the majority of indy fans crying rape. "Oh my God what the fuck have they done with his character" or "meh, it was better in ROH", he won't be in the main event for obvious reasons and he won't be able to use some of his moves especially the Pepsi plunge.
He couldnt use the Pepsi Plunge cause he would have no balence at all

Seriously though this is a bad Idea he will be fired when the gimmick doesnt take off
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Old 08-05-2005, 10:22 AM   #10
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I'm 22 in three months, I think I should maybe stop watching it too.
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Old 08-05-2005, 12:33 PM   #11
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I'm 22 in three months, I think I should maybe stop watching it too.
Age is no reason, I'm 23 next month.
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Old 08-05-2005, 10:24 AM   #12
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what exactly was his gimmick?
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Old 08-05-2005, 10:30 AM   #13
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what exactly was his gimmick?
I've read that he's a straight-edge guy who belittles everyone who isn't. I'm not really up with my ROH stuff, but basically all I've heard about Punk is that he's one talented mo-fo and has a genuinely good gimmick.

I'd really like to see some of his matches, especially those against Raven when beer was pour down his throat against his will. If anyone can get hold of anything to do with Punk and his matches and post them, then I'd really appreciate it.
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Old 08-05-2005, 10:26 AM   #14
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So he can tag with the returning Zack Gowen?
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well the gimmick doesn't sound to original
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Old 08-05-2005, 10:39 AM   #16
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well the gimmick doesn't sound to original
You mean it's a bit like HBK but with alcohol and drugs instead of wrong religious decisions? You're probably right.
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well I'm just sayin, how hard could it be to find someone to pull off that sort ofgimmick. I was thinkin it was somethin truly original and wow. Instead it's like wow
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Old 08-05-2005, 10:43 AM   #18
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well I'm just sayin, how hard could it be to find someone to pull off that sort ofgimmick. I was thinkin it was somethin truly original and wow. Instead it's like wow
No, its not groundbreaking. It's just something that I'd like to see more of. Personally, I hate the majority of straight-edge kids. Fair play for resisting temptation and fighting off the urges that come with peer pressure and modern day societal pressures, but it's their inflated sense of superiority and their desire to tell just about everyone how marvellous they are.

So, I'd love to see someone like that get the crap beaten out of them every week. For me, he's the perfect heel.
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I'll download some, watch them, and post some so they can be seen.
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Old 08-05-2005, 10:52 AM   #20
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Good man Slim.

If you really care, I might just rep you too.
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I saw the pepsi plunge and a short little best of CM Punk. 3 minute segment. so far so good
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If I can figure out how to rip dvds I can rip the dog collar match with raven. I think Punk is an extremely talented wrestler and as much as I hate this gimmick I have faith in Punk and that he will make the best of it. Hey also maybe he could be deaf and straight edge.
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If I can figure out how to rip dvds I can rip the dog collar match with raven. I think Punk is an extremely talented wrestler and as much as I hate this gimmick I have faith in Punk and that he will make the best of it. Hey also maybe he could be deaf and straight edge.
If you can post that match then I'd rep you until your ass was sore.



















I've no idea how those two are connected though
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Old 08-05-2005, 11:27 AM   #26
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True. If we were all smarks on an internet forum back in the mid 90s (the peak of ridiculous gimmicks) this would be an everyday occurance. You just don't expect it now.

Maybe it's a self fulfilling prophecy. We think Punk is going to fail, so we bitch and moan about the gimmick and we don't watch and support him or buy his merch, and then the WWE thinks it isn't catching on so they pull the plug. Then we'll all be sad, pretty much like with what has happened with Hassan. I know I'm not the only one who misses him.
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...and Mordecai. We were all too busy whinging that we didn't take enough attention, and one day, he's jobbing to a hat in OVW.
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It was good. But I was too busy bitching out how pants I though it was that I never really wanted him to succeed. Now that he's gone, I feel sad.
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Old 08-05-2005, 11:34 AM   #30
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Mordecai was a good gimmick, but the writers reminded us of how shit they're.
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Old 08-05-2005, 11:37 AM   #31
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Mordecai was a good gimmick, but the writers reminded us of how shit they're.
Good Gimmick, shit wrestler.
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Old 08-05-2005, 11:39 AM   #32
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Good Gimmick, shit wrestler.
I honestly thought it was Matt Capotelli for the first few weeks. I'd keep rubbing my eyes in amazement and say "Wow, he's really bulked up... and increased in height by several inches"


I'm not the sharpest tool in the drawer
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Old 08-05-2005, 11:41 AM   #33
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Good Gimmick, shit wrestler.

We didn't really see enough of him to decide if he was a shit wrestler or not, how many matches did he have?Only one i remember was his first one against S2H.Putting him against jobbers is not going to work.
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Old 08-05-2005, 11:51 AM   #34
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We didn't really see enough of him to decide if he was a shit wrestler or not, how many matches did he have?Only one i remember was his first one against S2H.Putting him against jobbers is not going to work.
I have faith enough in the WWE that if they decide someone's too green and pop him down to OVW, it's probably because they ARE too green.

What I saw was garbage, and I didn't buy him in the gimmick anyway. He looked like a frustrated D&D geek who's angry at the world...

...And I should know...We can smell our own.
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Old 08-05-2005, 11:36 AM   #35
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I think he pulled the character off rather well. I'm still downloading a few more matches. the best of CM Punk 3 minute segment is being uplaoded right now
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Old 08-05-2005, 11:38 AM   #36
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I think he pulled the character off rather well. I'm still downloading a few more matches. the best of CM Punk 3 minute segment is being uplaoded right now
I love you Slim... in that platonic sort of way
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Old 08-05-2005, 11:37 AM   #37
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It was a good idea. Some crazy lunatic religious guy who beat on everyone who sinned. It's just that they took it too seriously and made me walk out to scary music. It'd be nice to see him played in a similar sort of way to (speak of the devil) CM Punk, who is frustrated by the sinful world around him and wants to take matters into his own hands.
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Old 08-05-2005, 11:41 AM   #38
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Skippord, you are my favourite noob. Can I adopt you like some people adopt zoo animals?
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Old 08-06-2005, 07:51 AM   #39
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Well, thanks a fucking lot.
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Old 08-05-2005, 11:41 AM   #40
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Jobber against jobber, and worse still, it was on the midcard of a PPV!
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