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Old 08-27-2005, 04:28 PM   #1
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Well, he was old back then Loose Cannon
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Old 08-29-2005, 06:11 PM   #2
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He lost the title back to Bret at Mania 10.

For the record, I think the WM9 deal definately made Bret look weak. Unfortunately, people who were still watching the WWF at the time wanted a new star and put all their faith into Bret Hart. In other words, people wanted to see Bret Hart, and ONLY Bret Hart on top. Hogan didn't defend for months because people didn't want to see him in any match other than one against Bret Hart. Even when Yoko got the belt back and they planned to make Lex Luger a superstar, the people still wanted Bret Hart as champ.
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Old 08-30-2005, 04:36 PM   #3
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I remember wwf magazine hyping up a possible hogan vs bret hart match at the time. I was really excited to see that happen.

Also, I never got the impression that bret was telling hogan to go for it because he couldnt do it alone...i always felt bret was just saying go ahead, accept the challenge...cause it was Fuji who made the challenge initially when hogan was outside 'helping' bret. Just my opinion on it though.

And yes hbk and hogan are two big assholes...but they are my 2 all time favs
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Old 08-31-2005, 11:55 AM   #4
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Sorry to bump this, but I think Bret/Hogan in '94 would have been bigger than Micheals/Hogan '05. For one reason and one reason only:

Hogan could go slightly better then than he can now, and Bret was on the cusp of his prime. He could pull a good match out of anyone, except Kamala (but god, it's KAMALA). This would have made a great deal of money. Hogan's ego fugazi'd it.

But, to what Rob said, Bret was a different animal for the fans. They went from seeing Hogan wrestling a couple times a year on television/PPV, and defending the title even LESS, to seeing Bret defend the title about every week, against everyone from Kamala to Virgil to Razor Ramon. For many, self included, Bret was an accessible alternative to Hogan at that point. Hogan, while still a draw, was kind of the distant superstar that you could never hope to meet. Bret, on the other hand, was more like somebody you could meet on the street and have a conversation with.

But on the topic at hand. How many times did Micheals forfeit titles? Enough times to show McMahon that he shouldn't have made him the centerpiece of a promotion. I would like to point out that the last boom period occurred when Shawn Micheals WASN'T on TV every week.
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Old 08-31-2005, 12:47 PM   #5
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I would like to point out that the last boom period occurred when Shawn Micheals WASN'T on TV every week.
Neither was Bret Hart.

Just saying.
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Old 09-01-2005, 06:44 PM   #6
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Neither was Bret Hart.

Just saying.
Wasn't he? When WWF started to turn around again in 1997, Bret Hart was the focal point of the programming and WWF champion for 4 months. He then went to WCW and was on their TV everyweek while they were doing huge numbers.
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Wasn't he? When WWF started to turn around again in 1997, Bret Hart was the focal point of the programming and WWF champion for 4 months. He then went to WCW and was on their TV everyweek while they were doing huge numbers.
Those are valid points, which I counter with:

a) Bret may have been the champion when the boom started, but it wasn't Hart 3:16 shirts that I saw in my high school cafeteria. And people weren't raising the Hart Family Eyebrow.

b) WCW was already doing tremendous ratings when they signed Bret. And they continued to do tremendous ratings after his retirement.

And, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that either promotion was better off without him. I only mentioned Bret by name because of this comment:

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I would like to point out that the last boom period occurred when Shawn Micheals WASN'T on TV every week.
And the last boom period didn't hit its stride in 1998 after Bret Hart left WWF.
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I would like to point out that the last boom period occurred when Shawn Micheals WASN'T on TV every week.
but you could also argue that his being on tv every week as part of DX helped jump start the boom period.
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true- but it was because of the screwjob that wwe had so much interest in it.Vince being the money genius came up with Evil Vince and the corporation and other such shit.

wCw could have made some serious headway with bret hart had they also played off the screwjob..they did it a few years later..idiots
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Old 09-02-2005, 11:46 AM   #10
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true- but it was because of the screwjob that wwe had so much interest in it.Vince being the money genius came up with Evil Vince and the corporation and other such shit.
So what you are saying is HBK is invloved in the boom. Cause if there was no HBk refusing to job to Bret the screwjob would never have happend, and WWE might not have doen as well.

So see HBK is a big reason why the boomed happened
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