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Old 09-13-2005, 11:43 PM   #1
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No, HBK said he was 22. Flair said he was 24. Did Lita tell Flair to botch it?


OH WAIT THAT'S NOT FUNNY

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Old 09-13-2005, 11:11 PM   #2
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I'm pretty sure I heard JR say he was 22
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Old 09-13-2005, 11:14 PM   #3
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Old 09-14-2005, 11:16 AM   #4
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I am a Hassan fan. Now that I have got that out of the way, racism is the easiest things to get heat from. Its cheap heat. We have a stable where I work and all the crappy wrestlers get put into because they couldn't get heat otherwise. The are the Canadians. They go out and say America sux blah blah, and the crowd jumps their ass, anyone could get over with that gimmick. Hassan took a slightly different approach to the gimmick but its still the same.
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Old 09-14-2005, 12:23 PM   #5
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I am a Hassan fan. Now that I have got that out of the way, racism is the easiest things to get heat from. Its cheap heat. We have a stable where I work and all the crappy wrestlers get put into because they couldn't get heat otherwise. The are the Canadians. They go out and say America sux blah blah, and the crowd jumps their ass, anyone could get over with that gimmick. Hassan took a slightly different approach to the gimmick but its still the same.
Masters' gimmick, however, comes from one of the oldest and most standard forms of heel heat, and he can't garner ANY. The fact that Hassan could not only get a reaction, but even some positive reaction out of racism speaks higher for him than a lack of reaction from another pretty damn easy form of heat.

And honestly, it's not like Hassan got the same level of heat as, say, La Res.
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Old 09-14-2005, 12:34 PM   #6
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You've got a point, I was only saying its not like Hassan did anything that had not been done before. Monday Masters was finally getting some heat. I see things changing for Masters in terms of crowd response.
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Old 09-14-2005, 01:01 PM   #7
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You've got a point, I was only saying its not like Hassan did anything that had not been done before. Monday Masters was finally getting some heat. I see things changing for Masters in terms of crowd response.
Sounded like X-Pac heat to me... I don't know what there's a real change from dead crowd to "get off my TV!"

Anyway, Hassan DIDN'T do anything revolutionary, but how many of the gimmicks are really new? Most of them are repackages (Masters is a blatant example). Which brings me back to "so what?" What is the point of mentioning that it had been done before? Masters has been done before (Even done by Jindrak not too long ago) as well, so I'm missing where the part where this makes a difference in the argument is. He still got a reaction, still got a strong response whereas Masters couldn't. Hassan had solid Mic skills, Masters does not. Hassan, while he did not do anything spectacular, proved himself to be a solid (albeit unproven) wrestler. Masters is not. Whether he's green or he's crap, he shouldn't be on TV, and it shows.

Dave Batista has a very generic gimmick, and even in his early days he garnered a crowd response. I'm not talking last week, or last month, but in his debut period. Hardcore Holly has NO gimmick, and he's gotten himself over with the crowd. Scotty 2 hotty is a jobber, he gets over with the crowd.
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Old 09-14-2005, 03:54 PM   #8
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Sounded like X-Pac heat to me... I don't know what there's a real change from dead crowd to "get off my TV!"

Anyway, Hassan DIDN'T do anything revolutionary, but how many of the gimmicks are really new? Most of them are repackages (Masters is a blatant example). Which brings me back to "so what?" What is the point of mentioning that it had been done before? Masters has been done before (Even done by Jindrak not too long ago) as well, so I'm missing where the part where this makes a difference in the argument is. He still got a reaction, still got a strong response whereas Masters couldn't. Hassan had solid Mic skills, Masters does not. Hassan, while he did not do anything spectacular, proved himself to be a solid (albeit unproven) wrestler. Masters is not. Whether he's green or he's crap, he shouldn't be on TV, and it shows.

Dave Batista has a very generic gimmick, and even in his early days he garnered a crowd response. I'm not talking last week, or last month, but in his debut period. Hardcore Holly has NO gimmick, and he's gotten himself over with the crowd. Scotty 2 hotty is a jobber, he gets over with the crowd.
Well said, i'm tired of people saying 'oh this sucks because its not a new gimmick!' when there's only a limited amount of gimmicks out there. It's down to the wrestler to pull the gimmick off, it doesn't matter if its repackaged. Look at JBL, for an example.
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Old 09-15-2005, 10:41 AM   #9
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Well said, i'm tired of people saying 'oh this sucks because its not a new gimmick!' when there's only a limited amount of gimmicks out there. It's down to the wrestler to pull the gimmick off, it doesn't matter if its repackaged. Look at JBL, for an example.
Whether there are new gimmicks out there or not, they repackage a ton of gimmicks and only a few get picked out. Most of the new wrestlers have been given an old gimmick with, at best, a new spin. People conveniently forget this for gimmicks they like, then hide behind it for gimmicks they don't.

But I've gotten off the topic. Masters needs our pity responses.
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Old 09-14-2005, 01:05 PM   #10
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I thought you were wanting me to mark out for Masters? Seriously though your probably right, He may never get over. Its certainly possible. But the guy is young and green so you never know I guess.
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Old 09-14-2005, 01:14 PM   #11
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I thought you were wanting me to mark out for Masters? Seriously though your probably right, He may never get over. Its certainly possible. But the guy is young and green so you never know I guess.
I DO want you to mark out for masters. The sooner we pop, the sooner we get this useless fuck off TV.

I can, hwoever, argue the notion that he is worthless while still encourage people to take one for the team. And when someone uses that kind of bad analogy...
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Old 09-14-2005, 01:16 PM   #12
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'What is fan reaction?' Errr..the reaction a wrestler gets from the crowd maybe?
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Old 09-15-2005, 04:52 AM   #14
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'What is fan reaction?' Errr..the reaction a wrestler gets from the crowd maybe?
Thanks Mr. Wizard, but what I meant is what is fan reaction in terms of what it has to do with a viewer being a fan of a wrestler. What he was saying was sorta similar to saying that something is only good if everybody loves it. Kane Knight shouldn't be thinking like THAT...he's a homosexual.
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Old 09-15-2005, 10:32 AM   #15
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Thanks Mr. Wizard, but what I meant is what is fan reaction in terms of what it has to do with a viewer being a fan of a wrestler. What he was saying was sorta similar to saying that something is only good if everybody loves it. Kane Knight shouldn't be thinking like THAT...he's a homosexual.
Oh cry me a river.

You asked if I was a fan of Hassan when I said "bores fans."

I replied that yes, he did get a crowd reaction, even a positive response from people. Now you're like "WAAAA! It's all opinion!"



You tried to make a comeback based on the notion that he doesn't bore you, and tried to use a more popular character (HAted or not, he got the reaction, which Masters failed to do) to try for a comeback. If this was all about opinion, why did you try and come back at all? Why not simply admit you are in the minority, but you don't care?

Because you do.

Also, if you're watching Masters, and you're calling others gay, you definitely need to stop living in denial (or the closet).

And what is crowd reaction? It's a way to measure the popularity of a gimmick and wrestler. Hate to break it to you, but they deal in bulk. The WWE is an entertainment business that appeals to rather focused denominations. Having someone the crowd won't react to is bad, because it hurts ticket sales and ratings. All this whining about bullshit how "if it's not popular, it's not good!" You listen to more "popular" Music than I do...Think of the irony of you trying to cop out with this bullshit.

The difference is, the WWE isn't the record industry, they're a boy band. Or one of your faggot hip hoppers. They're not out to appeal to diverse demographics, they're out to get the mainstream fans. Hence Tuff Enuff or the Diva Searches. So...What's your point? Other than claiming my stance is "if it's not popular, it's bad (Which for the WWE, it is)?"
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