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Old 10-01-2005, 06:18 AM   #41
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Old 10-01-2005, 12:55 PM   #42
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In that same sense, you can say wrestling is subjective. There are those of us who were raised on it, and appreciate it without light bulbs and c4, and there are those of us who got into it within the last few years and the things we've grown to love don't impress them.
You know , I kinda want to get into this, but I have a feeling that people would think I'm defending CZW. Ah well....

Wrestling IS subjective. The criteria for what makes a great match varies wildly depending on the viewer. But like I said about art, the context and subject matter have to be accounted for.

Andre v Hogan at WM3 for intstance, by no means a wrestling clinic, but because of the characters and background it was an epic. And there ARE fans that would rather see Cena/Batista than any technical match. Hell, I myself would rather watch a Rock match than anything the WWE has offered lately. If anything, its a credit to these performers that they can connect with the fan when they know maybe a dozen moves between them.

Like it or not, the technical aspect of wrestling will always take a backseat to the the drama.

And going back to CZW, this is maybe the most detestable aspect. Because the violence adds nothing and tells no stories..its violence for violence's sake There's never a slow build or a feud that so personal that it can't be settled in just a regular match: the main reason stipulation matches are special is because they don't happen every night. At least, that's the idea.

CZW is two guys whacking each other with weapones for no discernible reason. That's it.

So, wrestling is subjective. but in the same way that its pretty easy to be able to look at pornography and say "That's not art" its pretty easy to look at CZW and say "That's not wrestling."
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Old 10-01-2005, 12:58 PM   #43
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Old 10-01-2005, 01:00 PM   #44
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Also, someone might read this and say: Well, what about ECW? At the time, ECW was completely changing the industry; everything they did was new. That in and of itself gave their matches depth and emotion.

Plus, no one should forget that the ECW storylines were remarkably well-written and original. The Raven character alone arguably changed wrestling forever. You would never have been able to do storylines like 'Sting in the rafters' or 'Eddie/Rey' un;ess he'd come along.
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Old 10-02-2005, 10:10 AM   #45
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That idiot neg repped me for not liking CZW.
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Old 10-02-2005, 10:40 AM   #46
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Same here.
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Old 10-02-2005, 10:44 AM   #47
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Yeah, he neg reps us for being into true wresting. I really don't like this character.
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Old 10-02-2005, 10:48 AM   #48
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He didn't neg rep me, but someone else, who didn't post in this topic, did...

Interesting that Sadistic hasn't replied, huh?
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Old 10-02-2005, 11:46 AM   #49
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Reply to what? the article says it all. CZW can show you the best wrestling on the planet right now and you will have nothing but negativity because a match 2 hours later in a CZW show might have a light tube.

I only return neg rep.
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Old 10-02-2005, 11:49 AM   #50
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Old 10-02-2005, 12:00 PM   #51
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2 hours later?
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Old 10-02-2005, 12:06 PM   #52
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Reply to what? the article says it all. CZW can show you the best wrestling on the planet right now and you will have nothing but negativity because a match 2 hours later in a CZW show might have a light tube.
And yet, no CZW fan gives a shit about it. They can SAY that they do, but the only reason they go to those shows is because of the death matches.
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Old 10-02-2005, 12:09 PM   #53
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He can, and will. But it will be all lies.
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Old 10-02-2005, 12:12 PM   #54
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Indeed.

Just to note, the CZW site doesn't even exist anymore, it's now an ad page...
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Old 10-02-2005, 12:30 PM   #55
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If I only care about the deathmatches then why do I have so many non-deathmatch CZW matches on my computer?

The .com domain isn't working, here: http://www.czw1.bizland.com/main.htm
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Old 10-02-2005, 12:34 PM   #56
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You guys need to check out the Best of the Best CZW shows. They are an annual 12 man junior heavyweight tournament. No deathmatches. I liked Best of the Best 4:
1. Jack Evans vs Chri$ Ca$h vs Homicide
2. B-Boy vs Jimmy Rave vs Roderick Strong
3. Ruckus vs Alex Shelley vs Bobby Quance
4. "Spyder" Nate Webb vs Petey Williams vs Sonjay Dutt
5. Chris Hero vs Hotstuff Hernandez
6. Homicide vs Jack Evans
7. Roderick Strong vs B-Boy
8. Alex Shelley vs Bobby Quance
9. Sonjay Dutt vs Petey Williams
10. Nick Gage vs Dan Maff
11. Homicide vs Roderick Strong
12. Sonjay Dutt vs Bobby Quance
13. Jimmy Rave vs Ruckus vs Chri$ Ca$h vs "Spyder" Nate Webb
14. Roderick Strong vs Sonjay Dutt
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Old 10-03-2005, 03:47 PM   #57
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Its still trash wrestling. Doesnt matter who they bring in. The violent crap they put on in there deathmatches overshadows anything else they do. Just like XPW. They had regular matches, but everything the did was overshadowed by the deathmatches, and the scaffold matches. You just dont get it. CZW is garbage wrestling. That last match list doesnt change anything. They still market themselves towards fans of hardcore violence. Basically the inverse of your argument would be that RoH is a hardcore wrestling company because they had one barb wire match. It just doesnt hold up. Garbage wrestling is garbage wrestling is garbage wrestling. And CZW is garbage wrestling.
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