Breaking News: Kevin Nash Out Of TNA PPV Tonight? - Page 2

**Loose Cannon** · 10-23-2005, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Alienoid06

On a recent TNA poll, they asked which match at Bound For Glory you most want to see. JJ vs. Nash wasn't doing too well. If they want to seperate themselves from the WWE, they need to do it by being unpredictable, and by delivering surprise matches. I don't think anyone bought the show for Jarrett vs. Nash, and if they did, they've backed it up completely by explaining he is hurt, and they can save themselves by having a more over and more reliable member of the company go out and win the title (I really think this is going to be a face victory now).

If it is a work, Kevin Nash will probably cost JJ the title, just as a "Hey, I wouldn't have done it on my own, but I've made sure he isn't the Champion" victory. This could lead to a solid feud between the two away from the NWA World Heavyweight Championship.

I can see what you're saying about the advertising, but I don't think anyone will feel completely cheated if Nash doesn't wrestle. TNA have created intrigue around their main event (whether this is deliberate or not is still undetermined), moreso than they had going for it before, and I think that's what TNA needs to do to seperate itself from the WWE. The E can't exactly switch Kurt Angle in their main event match at Taboo Tuesday without it being called bullshit, so immediately it is something TNA should do (if they haven't already) just to try it out and see how it works out.

WHAT? First of all, Nash is Legit hurt. He won't be wrestling tonight. Not a work. And I don't think TNA is that stupid to throw away money by building Nash/Jaret only not to air the match if it was a work.

Second of all, do you really place a lot of faith in those polls on what the fans want to see. I mean, what if the same fan voted 45 times? What is there the same fans who are chanting every single wrestlers name on Impact every week? Doubt those fans represent your "average" wrestling fans. I would think those would visit the TNA website casually are the hardcore TNA fanbase.

Third of all, delievering surprise matches are nice and all if you don't do them AFTER ADVERTISING A MATCH FOR THE PAST MONTH. How stupid would that be? Any booker will tell you that's the biggest no no that a booker could do in the business. What if there were 400 people that ordered to see Nash. And assuming Nash wasn't hurt and they made the story up, they replaced Nash with Billy Gunn. Do you think those fans are going to trust TNA to put in the guys they have advertised the next time? You NEVER want to lose any fans, even if its just one. And False Advertising will lose fans.

Yea, TNA needs to seperate itslef from WWE, but not nuy making moronic booking decisions and faking people out. Ask WCW

**Sting Fan** · 10-23-2005, 05:57 PM

I would like to see the loser of the Iron man Match go in for the shot, if not the loser of that then Abyss and Raven as a third option. I want Ravens run to the title to be memorable not just some crappy out of the blue win.

I could see AJ doing the job to Daniels tonight and then coming out for the World Title match, he is the new face of TNA isnt he? Either that or run the Iron man match as the main event, that way you could have AJ win the World title and have people screaming unification before he drops the X Title to Daniels in the Main Event with some overtime putting Daniels over huge.

AJ would need to be a bloody machine but if he is really there future I think it could work. He was the first guy out to fight Nash and hall when they sided with Jarrett and if they are smart they will lead the way with him now.

**Loose Cannon** · 10-23-2005, 05:59 PM

Meltzer is saying The Iron Man might be the ME now.

**Dave Youell** · 10-23-2005, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Loose Cannon

WHAT? First of all, Nash is Legit hurt. He won't be wrestling tonight. Not a work. And I don't think TNA is that stupid to throw away money by building Nash/Jaret only not to air the match if it was a work.

Second of all, do you really place a lot of faith in those polls on what the fans want to see. I mean, what if the same fan voted 45 times? What is there the same fans who are chanting every single wrestlers name on Impact every week? Doubt those fans represent your "average" wrestling fans. I would think those would visit the TNA website casually are the hardcore TNA fanbase.

Third of all, delievering surprise matches are nice and all if you don't do them AFTER ADVERTISING A MATCH FOR THE PAST MONTH. How stupid would that be? Any booker will tell you that's the biggest no no that a booker could do in the business. What if there were 400 people that ordered to see Nash. And assuming Nash wasn't hurt and they made the story up, they replaced Nash with Billy Gunn. Do you think those fans are going to trust TNA to put in the guys they have advertised the next time? You NEVER want to lose any fans, even if its just one. And False Advertising will lose fans.

Yea, TNA needs to seperate itslef from WWE, but not nuy making moronic booking decisions and faking people out. Ask WCW

What are you talking about? Remember back at Survivor Series when Austin got run over and Big Show was the replacement and won the ti.................

*gets coat*

**loopydate** · 10-23-2005, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Loose Cannon

Meltzer is saying The Iron Man might be the ME now.

That's one thing I like about TNA. The World Title isn't always the focus of the show. Reminds me of ECW in that way.

I bought the "Epic Set" DVD last week, and two out of the three PPVs didn't have the Champion in the main event (Turning Point ended with AMW/XXX and Lockdown ended with AJ/Abyss).

Styles/Daniels should be the best match of the night, so I say make it the main event. Send the fans home happy, rather than with another Jarrett screwjob win.

**Loose Cannon** · 10-23-2005, 06:07 PM

yea, but that was like a Triple Threat that already had HHH and Rock

Austin was legit hurt anyway

And the WWE was pissing gold coins back and they had everyone hooked no matter what. TNA is nowhere near that level yet

**Dave Youell** · 10-23-2005, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Loose Cannon

yea, but that was like a Triple Threat that already had HHH and Rock

Austin was legit hurt anyway

And the WWE was pissing gold coins back and they had everyone hooked no matter what. TNA is nowhere near that level yet

I was taking the piss mate!

Regardless of weather it's a work or not Nash isn't going to be facing Jarrett, either way it's a blessing cos no one wanted to see that match anyway

**KayfabeMan** · 10-23-2005, 06:12 PM

I did.

**KayfabeMan** · 10-23-2005, 06:13 PM

Though now I feel less bad about not being able to go there.

Gonna stay in with a friend and order it.

Will sleep through of most of the matches though

**Loose Cannon** · 10-23-2005, 06:14 PM

I kind of did too.

And I'm willing to bet most casual fans just getting into TNA wanted to see it too.

**Dave Youell** · 10-23-2005, 06:15 PM

Seriously? You wanted to see JJ/Nash? I thought their last match were crap!

**6to1** · 10-23-2005, 06:25 PM

well they were pushing the duddlys amw fued more anyway, now it would be cool if someone comes out of the blue like ddp and raven gets shut out that helps his story angle.

**Loose Cannon** · 10-23-2005, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Youell

Seriously? You wanted to see JJ/Nash? I thought their last match were crap!

well, for every person that loves chocolate, there's someone who loves vanilla instead.

**Dave Youell** · 10-23-2005, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Loose Cannon

well, for every person that loves chocolate, there's someone who loves vanilla instead.

Yeah true, i dunno, not a huge wcw fan overall and a match like this just reminds me of the final years of it

**McLegend** · 10-23-2005, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by KayfabeMan

Though now I feel less bad about not being able to go there.

Gonna stay in with a friend and order it.

Will sleep through of most of the matches though

I highly doubt that you will sleep through most of the matches.

All the matches on the card look pretty hot.

**Boondock Saint** · 10-23-2005, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by loopydate

That's one thing I like about TNA. The World Title isn't always the focus of the show. Reminds me of ECW in that way.

The title(s) weren't the focus of Summerslam this year either. They gave the ME to two upcoming stars who put on a 5 star match.

**Innovator** · 10-23-2005, 06:51 PM

Cmon Aries getting the title shot

1st man to hold the ROH and NWA World Titles

**Kane Knight** · 10-23-2005, 07:16 PM

Something worth pointing out (If someone's already said this, sorry):

To credit this as brilliant mareting would be to ignore the fans turned away by the notion of a Nash vs Jarrett PPV. This is bad business no matter hwo the "work" went. This isn't bullshit, or it's FUCKING STUPID. Either way.

**PureHatred** · 10-23-2005, 07:55 PM

I keep thinking that TNA might be aiming for the formula WCW used when it was at its best/most successful: Big Name Main Events that drew viewers (even if they were shit) and undercards with tons of work rate.

If Nash had "performed" that's exactly what this would of felt like.

For all the reasons mentioned, there's no way this is a work. I think it's actually fitting that on TNA's BIG PPV, Jarrett as the champion won't even be in the main event.

He's spent 90% of the time the company has existed forcing himself down the throats of the viewers, and he's still the last over worker in the main event scene. He doesn't really get booed by the casual fans and the smarks just give him 'courtesy heat.' He basically had to build a company so he could continue his carrer, and he just can't manage to capture the attention of the fans.

Pathetic.

**RemyRed** · 10-23-2005, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Loose Cannon

WHAT? First of all, Nash is Legit hurt. He won't be wrestling tonight. Not a work. And I don't think TNA is that stupid to throw away money by building Nash/Jaret only not to air the match if it was a work.

Second of all, do you really place a lot of faith in those polls on what the fans want to see. I mean, what if the same fan voted 45 times? What is there the same fans who are chanting every single wrestlers name on Impact every week? Doubt those fans represent your "average" wrestling fans. I would think those would visit the TNA website casually are the hardcore TNA fanbase.

Third of all, delievering surprise matches are nice and all if you don't do them AFTER ADVERTISING A MATCH FOR THE PAST MONTH. How stupid would that be? Any booker will tell you that's the biggest no no that a booker could do in the business. What if there were 400 people that ordered to see Nash. And assuming Nash wasn't hurt and they made the story up, they replaced Nash with Billy Gunn. Do you think those fans are going to trust TNA to put in the guys they have advertised the next time? You NEVER want to lose any fans, even if its just one. And False Advertising will lose fans.

Yea, TNA needs to seperate itslef from WWE, but not nuy making moronic booking decisions and faking people out. Ask WCW

Definately gotta agree. The fans in the impact zone for the most part annoy the shit out of me. I can't even sit through an AByss match anymore because of those annoying ass "Whooooooa Whoa Abyss!" chants.

**Kane Knight** · 10-24-2005, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by PureHatred

I keep thinking that TNA might be aiming for the formula WCW used when it was at its best/most successful: Big Name Main Events that drew viewers (even if they were shit) and undercards with tons of work rate.

If Nash had "performed" that's exactly what this would of felt like.

For all the reasons mentioned, there's no way this is a work. I think it's actually fitting that on TNA's BIG PPV, Jarrett as the champion won't even be in the main event.

He's spent 90% of the time the company has existed forcing himself down the throats of the viewers, and he's still the last over worker in the main event scene. He doesn't really get booed by the casual fans and the smarks just give him 'courtesy heat.' He basically had to build a company so he could continue his carrer, and he just can't manage to capture the attention of the fans.

Pathetic.

WCW tried that for a long time, both before and after their peak. Just to point that out, especially since I've been calling TNA "WCW Lite."
Meanwhile, since the main event usually involves booking around someone + JJ, their star power is immediately halved. I mean, say what you will about Hogan, but his name means something. But JJ? He's an also-ran. He got punked by a chick in his final WWE match. It's like booking a concert for the "Other guy form WAM!"

**KayfabeMan** · 10-24-2005, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by legend

I highly doubt that you will sleep through most of the matches.

Well, you were right.

I talked through most of them while looking through old photo albums. It gave me a good chance to organize them during the crapfest that was that PPV. I am SO glad that I did not have the chance to go up for that.

Brown vs. Hoyt. Horrible.

DITR vs. Siaki / Apolo / Sharkie. Horrible.

AMW vs. The Naturals. Horrible.

Nearly everything else. Horrible.

**Dave Youell** · 10-24-2005, 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Kane Knight

WCW tried that for a long time, both before and after their peak. Just to point that out, especially since I've been calling TNA "WCW Lite."
Meanwhile, since the main event usually involves booking around someone + JJ, their star power is immediately halved. I mean, say what you will about Hogan, but his name means something. But JJ? He's an also-ran. He got punked by a chick in his final WWE match. It's like booking a concert for the "Other guy form WAM!"

It's WHAM! You dick! and his name is Andrew Ridgeley :foc:

*hugs Wham's greatest hits LP*

10-23-2005, 05:57 PM	#42
Sting Fan Blander Than Ever Posts: 3,092	I would like to see the loser of the Iron man Match go in for the shot, if not the loser of that then Abyss and Raven as a third option. I want Ravens run to the title to be memorable not just some crappy out of the blue win. I could see AJ doing the job to Daniels tonight and then coming out for the World Title match, he is the new face of TNA isnt he? Either that or run the Iron man match as the main event, that way you could have AJ win the World title and have people screaming unification before he drops the X Title to Daniels in the Main Event with some overtime putting Daniels over huge. AJ would need to be a bloody machine but if he is really there future I think it could work. He was the first guy out to fight Nash and hall when they sided with Jarrett and if they are smart they will lead the way with him now.

10-23-2005, 05:59 PM	#43
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811	Meltzer is saying The Iron Man might be the ME now.

10-23-2005, 06:07 PM	#46
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811	yea, but that was like a Triple Threat that already had HHH and Rock Austin was legit hurt anyway And the WWE was pissing gold coins back and they had everyone hooked no matter what. TNA is nowhere near that level yet

10-23-2005, 06:12 PM	#48
KayfabeMan TPWW's Glass Ceiling Posts: 5,793	I did.

10-23-2005, 06:13 PM	#49
KayfabeMan TPWW's Glass Ceiling Posts: 5,793	Though now I feel less bad about not being able to go there. Gonna stay in with a friend and order it. Will sleep through of most of the matches though

10-23-2005, 06:14 PM	#50
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811	I kind of did too. And I'm willing to bet most casual fans just getting into TNA wanted to see it too.

10-23-2005, 06:15 PM	#51
Dave Youell 1/2 Optimist 1/2 Amazing Posts: 12,427	Seriously? You wanted to see JJ/Nash? I thought their last match were crap!

10-23-2005, 06:25 PM	#52
6to1 Posts: 1,279	well they were pushing the duddlys amw fued more anyway, now it would be cool if someone comes out of the blue like ddp and raven gets shut out that helps his story angle.

10-23-2005, 06:51 PM	#57
Innovator Inno Knows. Posts: 43,710	Cmon Aries getting the title shot 1st man to hold the ROH and NWA World Titles

10-23-2005, 07:16 PM	#58
Kane Knight Ron Paul 4 EVA Posts: 152,467	Something worth pointing out (If someone's already said this, sorry): To credit this as brilliant mareting would be to ignore the fans turned away by the notion of a Nash vs Jarrett PPV. This is bad business no matter hwo the "work" went. This isn't bullshit, or it's FUCKING STUPID. Either way.

10-23-2005, 07:55 PM	#59
PureHatred Instant Credibility Posts: 2,979	I keep thinking that TNA might be aiming for the formula WCW used when it was at its best/most successful: Big Name Main Events that drew viewers (even if they were shit) and undercards with tons of work rate. If Nash had "performed" that's exactly what this would of felt like. For all the reasons mentioned, there's no way this is a work. I think it's actually fitting that on TNA's BIG PPV, Jarrett as the champion won't even be in the main event. He's spent 90% of the time the company has existed forcing himself down the throats of the viewers, and he's still the last over worker in the main event scene. He doesn't really get booed by the casual fans and the smarks just give him 'courtesy heat.' He basically had to build a company so he could continue his carrer, and he just can't manage to capture the attention of the fans. Pathetic.