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Old 11-27-2005, 04:27 PM   #41
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Nope. If you read Mick Foley's 1st book you would know that a real barbed wire 2 x 4 was used in the Royal Rumble 2000 and No Way Out 2000 matches.
What page was that on in Foley's book?
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Old 11-27-2005, 04:31 PM   #42
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Old 11-27-2005, 04:39 PM   #43
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lol ooooooooooooooooooh dangerous stuff.

I really don't give two shits.
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Old 11-27-2005, 04:41 PM   #44
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Interesting move by TNA. Don't really care for this feud.

They have 5 solid matches for this ppv. Joe vs.Styles will kick ass again.
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Old 11-27-2005, 04:43 PM   #45
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Somebody gets irish whipped into the barbwire and the wire snaps...
how would wwe look then.
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Old 11-27-2005, 04:48 PM   #46
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Somebody gets irish whipped into the barbwire and the wire snaps...
how would wwe look then.
The same.
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Old 11-27-2005, 04:50 PM   #47
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Hell yeah they would!
WWE can pull round about anything off these days....
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Old 11-27-2005, 04:52 PM   #48
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dulling is a method used by magicians to make razor blades safe.

as far as TNA Go - I think they should go ECW style - fuck some shit up.

it seems they are accepting their place as second to WWE.

To the real owner of TNA : Flip the script and take a fucking chance instead of playing with your prick all the time

Barb-wire- steel cages - street fights - whores running around. why the fuck not?
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Old 11-27-2005, 04:54 PM   #49
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Why do people think that fake barbed wire will be used? The ring will be surrounded with it, it will be everywhere, everyone will be able to tell if it is fake. Sabu will have cuts all over his body and if he doesn't then you will know it is fake.
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Why do people think that fake barbed wire will be used? The ring will be surrounded with it, it will be everywhere, everyone will be able to tell if it is fake. Sabu will have cuts all over his body and if he doesn't then you will know it is fake.
Because this is America pro wrestling. Sabu is not able to take that kind of punishment anymore. It's not real and DON'T HAVE TO BE REAL.
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Old 11-27-2005, 04:57 PM   #51
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Why do people think that fake barbed wire will be used? The ring will be surrounded with it, it will be everywhere, everyone will be able to tell if it is fake. Sabu will have cuts all over his body and if he doesn't then you will know it is fake.
Just because some of it's real doesn't mean it'll all be real. They could do one section of the wire as real to get them cut up and use fake for the rest. Pro wrestling is all about acting and presentation, buddy. Not killing/mutilating each other.

Why do YOU think it'll be REAL?
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So according to you (Shawn Mega) Real barbed wire has never been used and isn't used in American pro wrestling?
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Old 11-27-2005, 04:59 PM   #53
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Why do YOU think it'll be REAL?
Because Sabu is a hardcore legend and why would he shit on his on legacy by using fake barbed wire?
You know how this guy got into the American Wrestling scene? From BARBED WIRE matches in Japan. Barbed wire matches made this guy's career.
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Old 11-27-2005, 05:01 PM   #54
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Because Sabu is a hardcore legend and why would he shit on his on legacy by using fake barbed wire?
You know how this guy got into the American Wrestling scene? From BARBED WIRE matches in Japan. Barbed wire matches made this guy's career.
And that's why he's a no talent spot monkey. He relies on the wire and taking dumbass risks. Like CZW. Only he made money doing it.
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Old 11-27-2005, 05:01 PM   #55
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isit true that Sabu Got implaed by a pole or something?
i think Joey Styles said it at ECW: One Night Stand...
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Old 11-27-2005, 05:02 PM   #56
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If you think he has no talent then fuck off out of the thread. Jesus you came her to be negative? Typical bullshit.
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If you think he has no talent then fuck off out of the thread. Jesus you came her to be negative? Typical bullshit.
You came here to bash WWE?

Yes. I have never seen a Sabu match without unnecessary spots. Can you show me one where he wrestles without botching, going outside of the ring, or using any type of weapon including chairs and tables?
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Cactus and HHH DID use real Barbed Wire at No Way Out 2000 by request, and there were two barbed wire bats at the Rumble, the real one, which only Mick took, and a fake one which was used on Triple H. It's in Foley is Good.
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Can you show me one where he wrestles without botching, going outside of the ring, or using any type of weapon including chairs and tables?
Nope. Only an idiot watches a Sabu match expecting a wrestling match.
So let me get this straight:
You're in the mood to watch fine wrestling match so you pop in a sabu tape so you can watch it and complain about the lack of wrestling.
I don't get it.
If you want wrestling watch wrestling, don't watch Sabu's hardcore, high flying, exciting, spotfest style of matches.
If every match was the way you wanted it to be then wrestling would be very boring.
Everything needs a bit of variety. Sabu's matches are different from the usual wrestling match you are used to. Of you don't like it, don't watch it and don't come on the internet complaining like a little shit.
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Nope. Only an idiot watches a Sabu match expecting a wrestling match.
So let me get this straight:
You're in the mood to watch fine wrestling match so you pop in a sabu tape so you can watch it and complain about the lack of wrestling.
I don't get it.
If you want wrestling watch wrestling, don't watch Sabu's hardcore, high flying, exciting, spotfest style of matches.
I've never put in a "Sabu Tape". I have a few ECW DVDs with him on it and a few shitty video matches on my PC.
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If every match was the way you wanted it to be then wrestling would be very boring..
Exactly, buddy. If every match was a Kurt Angle vs. Chris Benoit match, it would be boring. And yes, I'm being serious.

However, this argument can go right back to YOU. Not every match should be a spotfest (high flying) or death/hardcore match, either.
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of course the Barb wire will be Fake . You think TNA can risk it? wake the fuck up and smell the maplenut crunch.
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I thought there was some law or something that prevented WWE from using real barbed wire last year in the cage? Maybe it was just the state the event was in, but I could swear there were outside reasons for not bringing the wire into play.
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Old 11-27-2005, 06:16 PM   #65
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The funny part is that the more I watch TNA the more I see it becoming ECW.

Yeah yeah I know ECW was great and TNA sucks, whatever.
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They are a third rate ECW, and a second rate WCW. Neither of those is meant to be a complement.^^^
Still better than the crap you see on Monday and Friday nights.
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Still better than the crap you see on Monday and Friday nights.
Hardly. WWE might not be on fire, but mindless spotfest are'nt going to beat out anything.
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Hardly. WWE might not be on fire, but mindless spotfest are'nt going to beat out anything.
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Still better than the crap you see on Monday and Friday nights.
Which is why TNA ratings are going up...
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Ouch.

Let it be said I am a fan of TNA, just not a blind and all admiring fan like many. But then again I was an avid WCW fan so there is no accounting for taste.
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Hold up a minute.

How can you people sit there and call everything TNA does shitty because some of their matches feature a lot of spots?

Sure, if you watch an AJ Styles match or a Christopher Daniels match or a Sabu match you're going to see spot after spot after spot. But that's their style, and some people, myself included, have taken it as a breath of fresh air from the WWE's boring, pedantic style of scripted matches.

How is watching Sabu hit his usual spots every match any different from a fucking Undertaker match? Taker dominates to start - opponent cheats to get the heads up - opponent has the advantage - Taker comes back with a flying clothesline - Taker does his tight rope walk thing - Taker hits the Chokeslam or Tombstone and wins.

Or a WWE tag team match: Evenly matched to start - faces get some offense in - heels divide the ring and work over one of the faces - face gets the hot tag - hot tag leads to a face victory, or the heels win by cheating. Every time like fucking clockwork.


My point being: if you're going to bash on TNA, use specific examples of why they suck. "Every match is a spotfest" just isn't comprehensive enough, considering only part of their roster are X-Division wrestlers, and a lot of those spot-move wrestlers are actually really good, AND their competition and the #1 wrestling promotion in the US today has a lot of spotfests too - the only difference is TNA's spotfest are actually exciting.
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You're comparing spots to Undertaker, who nobody gives a shit about?
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Old 11-28-2005, 01:49 AM   #74
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I went to an indy show this summer that Sabu was headlining with Abyss. It was promoted as "Chaos in the Capital" (I live in Ottawa, Canada's capital). The match was a falls count anywhere no dq. Anyway the match was five minutes long, no attempts at a pinfall outside the ring, one thrown chair shot (to Abyss), and one crappy attempt at breaking a table. It was crappy and every single person there was disappointed. Thus leading me to this:

I just don't see it being real barbed wire. Sabu can't do that stuff anymore.

And there is such thing as fake barbed wire. How about you look things up on the internet before you shit on everyone.
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Old 11-28-2005, 01:58 AM   #75
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Same stuff that makes hardcore wrestling garbage makes spotfest wrestling garbage. THE LACK OF PSYCHOLOGY. The lack of rhyme or reason behind their actions is why its shite. They can both be done right. Its just so rare from TNA or CZW. Yet I still watch their shows and buy their DVDs..... WHY?
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Same stuff that makes hardcore wrestling garbage makes spotfest wrestling garbage. THE LACK OF PSYCHOLOGY. The lack of rhyme or reason behind their actions is why its shite. They can both be done right. Its just so rare from TNA or CZW. Yet I still watch their shows and buy their DVDs..... WHY?
I do have to agree. It's not that good wrestling can't have spots, it's that you can't use spots instead of good wrestling. TNA tends to be spotfests, which are not conducive to a good match. CZC tends to rely on spots and "hardcore" shit to get it done.

Also, in both instances, less is more. Spots highlight an important moment or turning point. Abuse of spots tend to ruin said spots and make the spots less interesting as a whole.
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I do have to agree. It's not that good wrestling can't have spots, it's that you can't use spots instead of good wrestling. TNA tends to be spotfests, which are not conducive to a good match. CZC tends to rely on spots and "hardcore" shit to get it done.

Also, in both instances, less is more. Spots highlight an important moment or turning point. Abuse of spots tend to ruin said spots and make the spots less interesting as a whole.
Too true. Spots are designed to be the memorable points of a match (hardcore and wrestling spots a like.) When you do them to much people don't remember much of anything and are left going, "yeah AJ won." To paraphrase a guy form another board, I think his name was CC or somethin, "a little bit of salt is fine, too much will ruin the meal."
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My point is this: if your good enough you don't need spotfest, high-flying, or hardcore to carry you. And when a match is based on these gimmicks its garbage. There needs to be more substance, take Jake Roberts. Not very technically sound, could only pull double axe handle off the top, etc. Yet what he did would still get over any where. And its only because its not what you do, but how you do it. Threw his flawless psychology he made every move meaningful, and logical and the people believed in what he was doing. And when he used a gimmick (like a weapon) or one was used on him it meant something.

I'm ranting now ignore this post.

But not this: TNA needs to remember its wrestling, and not gymnastics or a race; the WWE needs to remember its wrestling, and not a soap opera (just to be fair.)
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Both WWE and TNa have there downfalls. WWE is trying to cater to a wider audience with the soap action stuff stuff while keeping younger males with tits and ass. I think its fair to say they are alienating both groups at least a decent proportion of the time.

TNA seems like it is trying to attract that newer more ADD type fan who wants all action now, this aint gonna work either and as ratings are showing its not even holding AAD attention. Mainly because people are going to need bigger and bigger spots to keep that adrenaline going. The same old spots lower the payoff and as such become old hat.
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