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Old 12-06-2005, 03:25 AM   #41
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I agree with you on Kendrick and London, but what makes you list Doug Basham?
Like loopydate, I never really saw it, but apparently Basham was uber-talented in OVW. I read somewhere that Chris Benoit once said Doug can go hold-to-hold with him anyday. Granted, this is all second hand and and third hand knowledge, but I think if he did get the chance he could take it. The WWE has done worse. Basham is also fairly decent on the mic.

Then there's also Paul Burchill. I can't believe I forgot about him. He's a candidate as well.

Carlito may not have done too much in the WWE, but he's not awful ni the ring. He is working for the WWE these days, so you know he's toned down. He just has so much natural charisma. I don't know if he will ever carry the company, but he probably will headline WrestleMania at some stage.

Damaja (Danny Basham) if ever given a solid push in the right direction could be big, as could Nick Dinsmore. These are HUGE ifs, though.

Another guy not to count out is Shelton Benjamin. The guy's just a little nervous when it comes to talking on the mic. That doesn't mean he sucks or he doesn't have a personality. Have him work with Heyman and I guarantee you he could cut some Grade-A stuff.
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Old 12-06-2005, 03:51 AM   #42
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Yeah, I heard Basham was good in OVW, never saw it though.
I totally agree with you on Burchill. He's got great presence in addition to ring skills and a good look.

And whoever said Samoa Joe, yer damn right.

Why don't we open it up a little more. Any Indy wrestlers you guys have seen that look really good? And by Indy I mean guys who've never been in WWE (obviously) or appeared on TNA more than once or twice.

I'd nominate Tyson Dux and CK3. Great charisma, in ring talent, and CK3 is the best promo guy I've ever seen outiside WWE.
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Old 12-06-2005, 04:02 AM   #43
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Shelton is my odds on favorite, as well as personal fav.
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Old 12-06-2005, 04:35 AM   #44
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shelton was amazing on raw yesterday

you know, it coulda been Brock. Brock was definately on his way to being as big as rock/austin, it's too bad he left.
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Old 12-06-2005, 10:00 AM   #45
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I think Shelton will be a great champ but I dont see him in the same league as the rock, flair, austin or hogan.

I still think Christain could lead TNA to higher grounds and become a great champion. He has the abilty unlike Cena or Bats to become over without a massive push. And who knows X-TAN might return to the wwe one day.

I think Kennedy also had the abilty to become an over face in a rock sort of way meaning that the fans will cheer him as a heel and hate him as a face.

Cena is too limited in his appeal as a face. The way he is being booked as a face he only appeals to the teenyboppers. He had the abilty to became a face in an austin way but the wwe fucked that up. If Cena turns heel and gets over again and then take a face turn regarding the same qualities then he could hold the company. But he needs to do a hell of alot of work in his charisma and wrestling abilty.

The best bet in young Randall Orton. He has it all and knows the wrestling business inside out.

I also think CM punk could be big in a HHH type of way
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Old 12-06-2005, 10:14 AM   #46
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I think Shelton will be a great champ but I dont see him in the same league as the rock, flair, austin or hogan.

I still think Christain could lead TNA to higher grounds and become a great champion. He has the abilty unlike Cena or Bats to become over without a massive push. And who knows X-TAN might return to the wwe one day.

I think Kennedy also had the abilty to become an over face in a rock sort of way meaning that the fans will cheer him as a heel and hate him as a face.

Cena is too limited in his appeal as a face. The way he is being booked as a face he only appeals to the teenyboppers. He had the abilty to became a face in an austin way but the wwe fucked that up. If Cena turns heel and gets over again and then take a face turn regarding the same qualities then he could hold the company. But he needs to do a hell of alot of work in his charisma and wrestling abilty.

The best bet in young Randall Orton. He has it all and knows the wrestling business inside out.

I also think CM punk could be big in a HHH type of way
How do you work on your charisma?
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Old 12-06-2005, 10:25 AM   #47
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The Boogeyman of course. This gimmick won't get old and stale :shifty
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Old 12-06-2005, 10:31 AM   #48
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How do you work on your charisma?

Charisma is all about appeal and how people are drawn to you. How you say your words, your diction, facial expressions, how to relate to people in the ring and in the crowd. If Cena worked on this things then he could become a more likeable tv presence that could appeal to a larger majority group

And i should now I am the pinnacle of charisma
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Old 12-06-2005, 10:45 AM   #49
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Main Entry: cha·ris·ma
Pronunciation: k&-'riz-m&
Variant(s): also char·ism /'kar-"i-z&m/
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural cha·ris·ma·ta /k&-'riz-m&-t&, "kar-iz-'mä-t&/; also charisms
Etymology: Greek charisma favor, gift, from charizesthai to favor, from charis grace; akin to Greek chairein to rejoice -- more at YEARN
1 : an extraordinary power (as of healing) given a Christian by the Holy Spirit for the good of the church
2 a : a personal magic of leadership arousing special popular loyalty or enthusiasm for a public figure (as a political leader) b : a special magnetic charm or appeal charisma of a popular actor>
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Charisma seems pretty innate to me. Not something you can be trained in.
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Old 12-06-2005, 11:25 AM   #50
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1. Shelton Benjamin
2. Ken Kennedy
3. Doug Basham (I'm serious)
4. Paul London
5. Brian Kendrick
6. Carlito
As much as I like Spanky, I really don't see Basham Vs. Kendrick headlining WrestleMania anytime soon.

Shelton Benjamin. I always thought he'd play a great Apollo Creed-esque "I'm good and I know it" heel.
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Old 12-06-2005, 11:34 AM   #51
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Main Entry: cha·ris·ma
Pronunciation: k&-'riz-m&
Variant(s): also char·ism /'kar-"i-z&m/
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural cha·ris·ma·ta /k&-'riz-m&-t&, "kar-iz-'mä-t&/; also charisms
Etymology: Greek charisma favor, gift, from charizesthai to favor, from charis grace; akin to Greek chairein to rejoice -- more at YEARN
1 : an extraordinary power (as of healing) given a Christian by the Holy Spirit for the good of the church
2 a : a personal magic of leadership arousing special popular loyalty or enthusiasm for a public figure (as a political leader) b : a special magnetic charm or appeal charisma of a popular actor>
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Charisma seems pretty innate to me. Not something you can be trained in.
Charisma can be worked on, but nothing beats a natural gift for it.
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Old 12-06-2005, 02:49 PM   #52
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Cena has charisma and is probably the most charismatic guy on the roster. Cena may have to work on a lot of things but Charisma isn't one of them.
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Old 12-06-2005, 04:11 PM   #53
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Orton could be fucking HUGE one day. His ring work is quite good(and improved over the years), he's got a natural charisma, and makes for one very entertaining heel.

I'm really watching Carlito, Shelton and Kennedy. Those three could be hella big one day. Especially Shelton.

As for Cena, while I don't care for him, his mic work is fantastic. When he's not making poop or gay jokes, he can be really entertaining mic wise. You could have easily turned Cena into the Austin-esque anti-establishment kind of thing, but they chose to go with the goody-two shoes face that people tire of quickly.
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Old 12-06-2005, 09:05 PM   #54
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It's not going to be someone that the WWE push to the moon to be the next mega star. Brock was huge, but couldn't be the next Hogan or Austin. Carlito has personality, but won't be the guy. London... he'll be released eventually... not matter how great he is. Orton will be big, but not the guy. It'll just be someone.

I don't think Kennedy will be the guy either. The WWE are pushing him too much roght now to be a huge star.

That's the problem... the WWE are trying to hard to make that huge mega star, instead of just going with the flow. Christian was getting mad pops, so they de pushed him. Edge was an awesome goofy face, so they put him as Mr. Serious and no one cares. They're just rushing certain guys waaay too soon.
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Old 12-06-2005, 11:12 PM   #55
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I just said he could learn hwo to speak.

Not everybody starts off with mic skills. You just augmented my point bringing up Brock.
Shelton.....Learn? Please do I even need to say it?
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Besides Brock was good when he first started shelton was/is not
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Old 12-06-2005, 11:46 PM   #56
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Old 12-06-2005, 11:50 PM   #57
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Cena has charisma and is probably the most charismatic guy on the roster. Cena may have to work on a lot of things but Charisma isn't one of them.

I think Cena's charisma is definitely overrated. He does have some but by no means he is the most charismatic person on the roster. HBK, Angle and even Kennedy spring to mind (Jericho too if he was still employed). He is too much in his own world most of the time and it feels like he goes though the motions too much which means he is not bring out

And yeah KK was right charisma is something you are born with but you can work on it which Cena needs to do. For example take away Christain's smirks, the way he pronounces his words and the way he holds himself you will notice an entirely different less charismatic person.

I remember a few of Jericho’s interviews and he has said that he believes he is one of the most charismatic wrestlers in the wwe because he modelled himself on charismatic rockstars like Gene Simmonds and how they talked into the mic and their facial expressions.
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Old 12-07-2005, 12:00 AM   #58
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I think Cena's charisma is definitely overrated. He does have some but by no means he is the most charismatic person on the roster. HBK, Angle and even Kennedy spring to mind (Jericho too if he was still employed). He is too much in his own world most of the time and it feels like he goes though the motions too much which means he is not bring out.
You may be right about him not being the most charistmatic guy on the roster, but his charisma is not overrated. Actually I think chrisma is one thing that can't be overrated. I may be wrong on that, but I don't think anyone has overrated Charisma.

If you saw Cena on the UPW docmentuary(or whatever the wrestling promotion name is before he got to WWE)he cut a promo in a hotel room that made my hair stand on end. He even said something about PP&J sandwhich and still was great. Seriously one of the best promos I have ever seen. Cena has "IT" and IMO is bonafide main eventer and the Future of the WWE. I hate the ultrababy face he is now, but Cena is the future.
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5. Brian Kendrick
That's actually the 1st person I thought of when I saw this topic. He kicks ass in the ring, he's marketable, & he has kinda like a Elijah Woodish quality that could have the Cena/Orton pubescents in an uproar if he were pushed in that way.
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