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West should Kill himself in the ring.Thats ratings
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I'm Mr. White Christmas
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Or Chris Sabin going over Jeff Jarret for the title
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Mr. Slack A Lack Jack!
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I'd like to see Sabin get a push.
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I'm Mr. White Christmas
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new Sig
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What's with all this UFC shit?
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well they are playing csi reruns on thur nights now might as well put 1st run tna shows atleast it will be tivoed alot, and nelson is counting tivo now.
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This can be good especially for fans that were used to watching wrestling on Thurs nights. We will see if they can start pulling in some 2.0 ratings, that would be smackdown numbers right there.
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This is pretty good news. I believe more people would be watching it if it were given a primetime spot on a Thursday.
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By switching to Thursday night at 8 will definitly attract more viewers, like me.
Imagine if Smackdown was still on Thursday nights when this happenes....... |
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Terminator Daddy!
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I for one think TNA should move to Monday's directly opposing RAW. The sheer crap that WWE is putting out will automatically boost ratings for Impact. I for one would love to be able to turn the channel on Monday's if RAW is sucking like a porn star and STILL be able to watch wrestling (yes, I miss the Monday Night Wars). TNA wouldn't even have to advertise that heavily, because a majority of it would occur via the internet and word of mouth among wrestling fans. I counted at least 10 times on Monday that I wanted to kick the TV in out of frustration for what feces the WWE creative team is dishing out to us on a regular basis. TNA should wise up and use what is right there in front of them every week to boost their ratings...and that's WWE garbage. Give wrestling fans another alternative for Monday's and I'll give you a better wrestling product in both companies. WWE's stagnation as a result of a lack of competition is killing wrestling as we know it. And for the love of God, RAW was in Orlando...TNA's home turf and NOT ONE TNA CHANT? I understand about no signs, because Vince has them confiscated, but speak up people! I especially was expecting a TNA chant during the HBK/Vince long winded segment when Shawn was running through his list of options. But yet nothing. If TNA wants to be taken seriously, they need to step up and take on the bull horns first. Thursday night just isn't going to cut it.
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Well, to be quite fair, WCW didn't die because of WWE. WCW died because of stupid decisions, and the AOL/Time Warner merger. WCW kicked WWEs ass for a long time, and even though WCW had it's low points, I still liked WCW.
However, TNA should in NO WAY go to Monday Nights now. In the future I'd like to see them go - 2/3 years, but not now. When they start touring and grow their fan base, get out of that debt hole, etc. then yeah. You don't have to necessarily die from a Monday Night War, in fact, both companies can succeed greatly as the past has proven that. I still wish TNA would change their name to a more traditional W- something named company. WAW World Action Wrestling, or something..idk, but the name TNA just doesn't look too appealing and can send the wrong message. But...I think it's a little too late to change it now. |
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Terminator Daddy!
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Now Bishcoff admits that he never thought Ted would do it, because going up against RAW was CRAZY! But had WCW gone on Thurday night and not Monday, they never would have flourished the way they did at one time. Let's not forget, WCW dominated WWF for a long time and almost caused them to go belly up. The reason I believe TNA should go on Monday and the reason WCW blossomed in that spot directly opposing RAW is simple. The majority of wrestling fans commit themselves to watching wrestling on Monday nights, no matter how shitty the product is. Therefore, the entire wrestling market that you are trying to draw viewers from is already sitting on there ass and committed to wrestling on Monday night. Harcore TNA fans are going to watch Impact regardless if it's on Monday or Thursday, so you aren't going to lose any ratings by going on against RAW. They aren't going to gain any ratings by being on Thursday night, because the same fans that already go out of there way to watch on Saturday nights or Late Monday replay, are going to be the majority of their audience. Most WWE fans are not going to go out of their way to change their lives/viewing habits just because TNA is now on Thursday. The best way to increase ratings for TNA is to draw the WWE viewers (which is the majority of the tv watching wrestling fans) on the night that they have already committed to watching wrestling. This is why WCW outgrew WWE/WWF. They offered the wrestling fans something different on Monday nights and alot of them jumped ship to WCW and stayed there for a long time. Why is TNA any different? |
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TNA has none of that. They're in debt. They can't afford to leave the Impact Zone. They can't afford Hulk Hogan. They can't afford The Rock. They can't afford Steve Austin. They can't afford top-tier production people/equipment/etc. So, like has been said, in a couple of years, maybe. But right now, TNA just doesn't have the infrastructure in place to compete with WWE. But a prime-time slot on a non-WWE night could be a great boon to them. They can bring in new fans. New fans bring in more money. More money means they can pull themselves out of debt. Pulling themselves out of debt means they can start to improve their production quality. Improved production quality will attract the big-name stars. The big-name stars will attract even more new fans. Then they can compete with WWE. |
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I agree, then and only then can they compete with WWE.
TNA has deep pockets too, however, they choose not to go the WCW route and spend spend spend. First, they're planning to get themeselves outta that debt, then they'll spend a whole lot more. |
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Terminator Daddy!
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[QUOTE=loopydate]They could tour the country and, shortly, the world. They had the money to throw at big-time free agents. They had just picked up the biggest star in the history of the industry, Hulk Hogan, the previous year.[/QUOTE=loopydate]
I agree with the touring part, but they do seem to have some money to spend. Before WCW picked up Hogan, Hall and Nash jumped ship. Would they have came to WCW if they were on Thursday night? Arguably NO. All of this happened because they were in the primest of prime wrestling TV spots on Monday Night and they got noticed by going directly against RAW. [QUOTE=loopydate]They can't afford Hulk Hogan. They can't afford The Rock. They can't afford Steve Austin. They can't afford top-tier production people/equipment/etc./[/QUOTE=loopydate] All of those wrestlers you mentioned come along once in a lifetime. One could argue that WWE doesn't have anyone with that drawing power right now either. As far as top-teir production people/equipment, etc. TNA doesn't need that. What they have to offer RIGHT NOW is workrate and everything that WWE is lacking, which is what alot of fans are craving and the reason they are disgusted with WWE. Plus they have young talent who are beginning to blossom. Alot of wrestling fans appreciate that more than big name talent that uses the same move set and has the same subpar workrate. Some people would rather watch Samoa Joe vs. AJ Styles vs. Christopher Daniels.....rather than Hulk Hogan vs. Austin. [QUOTE=loopydate]TNA just doesn't have the infrastructure in place to compete with WWE. But a prime-time slot on a non-WWE night could be a great boon to them. They can bring in new fans. New fans bring in more money. More money means they can pull themselves out of debt.[/QUOTE=loopydate] TNA doesn't need to be competitive with WWE right now in ratings and they won't in the beginning. But what you said about bringing in more fans, etc. is my whole arguement for Monday night. They have a better chance to expand their audience by being on Monday night, not Thursday. Bottom line is I believe that the fastest track to accomplish all that you are saying is to be available on wrestling's most watched night....which is Monday. They have nothing to lose. It's not like they are going to lose their core audience and dip below the ratings they currently have. Those people are committed to TNA and will watch Monday. Look at it this way, is it easier for me to sell you a car that you may not be familiar with if you are already in the dealership on Monday, or try to get you to schedule an appointment and come back in on Thursday? Wrestling fans are in the dealership on Monday's. |
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lol Pinto.
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Terminator Daddy!
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TNA would die if they went to Monday night. Why do they need to directly compete with the WWE? HMMMMMM? I like TNA, but their storylines are craptastic. WHy can't they be just another good wrestling promotion?
They could only directly compete when they've built the company up a lot and is not viewed as the WWE reject federation. AND they could only directly compete when wrestling in on a big rise again... which won't happen for at least a couple of more years. |
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I personally don't see the harm in TNA moving to monday nights, ok I don't live in the US so you might say it doesnt matter to me, but infact it does since if they were on monday nights, WWE would start to take notice and hopefully step up their game(though i don't have much confidence in the WWE writers, so I doubt that would happen but TNA would definately step up theirs).TNA being on thursday is doing nothing at the moment as far as the industry is concerned, Arnold has a good point that wrestling is mostly watched on monday nights, and the best way to get ratings would be to give fans an alternative while the WWE is in the shithole.
A normal WWE mark is not going to give a fuck about TNA when its on thursdays. |
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Ron Paul 4 EVA
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The show's broken records at a 1.1 . Why would they take notice of that over, say, reruns of McGyver (Which pulls in about a 1.0 according to Spike) or CSI?
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Exactly. WWE won't "take notice" of TNA until people start watching it. And people won't start watching it if it's on opposite RAW.
I don't see why that's so hard to understand. |
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Man, this argument is like a dog chasing his tail. It's kind of pointless because obviously TNA is going to Thursday nights. All this is going to do is prolong the process of 'competion' that MUST OCCUR in order for wrestling to thrive again. Vince and WWE aren't going to give to shit's about TNA on Thursday nights because no matter how high TNA's ratings are ON THURSDAY...that's not going to hurt WWE's ratings on Monday's. People aren't going to stop watching RAW just because they discover TNA on Thursday nights....and WWE will not feel the urge to improve their product until they lose viewers to another company. That can only happen if you are on Monday nights. Quote:
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I fucking hate that shit people say "so you must be pro WWE!" I AM PABLO. |
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It also looks like you lack the fundamental understanding to grasp the concept that I don't want to see TNA on monday nights because I actually want them to grow. That somehow makes me pro-WWE in your eyes? Because I acknowledge that placing a show that broke records with a 1.1 rating might be better served by not going up against a show with roughly 5 times the attraction power, even when it sucks ass? Yeah, I really hate TNA so much I'd rather see it grow. ![]() Or, to dumb it down for you (And I owe Steele a nickel here): SHUT UP YOU IGNORANT ASS!!!!! |
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And how many times do I need to reiterate. When WCW went head to head with the WWF, they had Hulk Hogan. They had Sting. They had Ric Flair. They had Ted Turner's checking account. They had the best commentary money could buy (referring to Tenay who knew what he was talking about and Heenan, the best color guy ever. Schiavone doesn't count). Their production budget was astronomical. TNA has none of those things. I'm not saying TNA will never compete. But if they compete directly right now, they will get annihilated. They got a 1.1 rating this week and that SHATTERED their previous best, and on WWE's worst nights, they're in the threes. Yeah, maybe they lose a couple tenths of a point to the die-hard fans you're describing. Maybe RAW dips to 3.3 and Impact climbs to 1.5. But still, RAW is doubling them up in viewers. Move Impact to Thursday night. More people will watch them in prime time than at 11:00 on a Saturday. Start to creep up on that 2.0, 2.3, 2.5 rating. Then, once people actually know who you are, that's when you start to consider moving yourself to Monday night. But only once you have an established fanbase that extends beyond the Impact Zone and the 1.1 you're drawing on the weekend. If Impact tries to compete with RAW with 1.1 ratings, WWE will have their pick of the TNA roster by 2007. |
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I have made several statements in the past on my feelings of TNA, from the glaringly negative to the beamingly positive. However, I do not feel the need to post my full opinion on TNA in every single post I make regarding TNA, nor should I have to. I should be safe from people making stupid assumptions like "He says a low rated show shouldn't go head to head with a high rated show! OMG FANBOY!" Why? Because that defies reasonable, conventional, and logical thinking. I addressed the ratings, not even my opinions on the shows themselves. Just because I admit that Eminem sells more than Mark Erelli does not mean that I have actually said Eminem was betetr than Mark. If the best you have to back up your assumption was "Well he didn't say he WASN'T a WWE fanboy," Then you seriously need to be hit in the head with a cinder block again (I'm assuming that's why your IQ is obviously so low). |
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And I was supposed to translate that from your really witty one liners? |
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Give it time, kid. Your KKdar should kick in shortly. Took me a couple of months to catch on, too, and now look at me. Wait. Uh... look at... Crap, I can't come up with a good example.
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