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Old 02-05-2006, 04:30 PM   #41
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HLD may seem like a 'gay stat' but it opens up the fantasy game to more pitchers. We've been doing this for years now and know what works better than others.

It also 'evens out' the batting to pitching stats. There are so many batting categories available, that it makes the game too balanced on offensive categories than it does pitching categories. Holds is a must.
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Old 02-05-2006, 04:33 PM   #42
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No, Mark Kotsay never gets any assists because no one runs on him. Remember that time he made 2 errors in a game last year, one of them Kendall's fault and the other one Crosby's?

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Old 02-05-2006, 04:33 PM   #43
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HLD may seem like a 'gay stat' but it opens up the fantasy game to more pitchers. We've been doing this for years now and know what works better than others.

It also 'evens out' the batting to pitching stats. There are so many batting categories available, that it makes the game too balanced on offensive categories than it does pitching categories. Holds is a must.
I'm all for more pitching stats; but hold is an awful, awful stat.
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I'm on the fence between Holds and K/9 innings.
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Assists from the outfield mean nothing, I don't care if an outfielder gets 40 in a season, that's nothing compared to what a 2B or SS will get, even an infielder off the bench is more valuable in that category than an everyday outfielder...
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No, Mark Kotsay never gets any assists because no one runs on him. Remember that time he made 2 errors in a game last year, one of them Kendall's fault and the other one Crosby's?

17 assists led the league in 2005. Wanna take a guess which defensive dynamo had them? (Hint: he likes to go to bars with Enrique Wilson)
And whats your gripe on putouts?
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I'm on the fence between Holds and K/9 innings.
That's like comparing OBP and sacrifice flies. Please go with K per 9
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Assists from the outfield mean nothing, I don't care if an outfielder gets 40 in a season, that's nothing compared to what a 2B or SS will get, even an infielder off the bench is more valuable in that category than an everyday outfielder...
I've put the IF position mostly to be used by a defensive player.
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I'm all for more pitching stats; but hold is an awful, awful stat.
nah.

It makes more pitchers in the league valuable. Say for example you have no saves guy, you can at least build you RP position with Holds guys.
Dimensions are good. Forget the fact it's a stat hardly recognized in MLB circles.
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That's like comparing OBP and sacrifice flies. Please go with K per 9
Meh, we'll see what everyones take on it is. I think it gives relievers a bit more value, personally.
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I hope you're going to simplfy things in the end, catergory wise. IMO, there are far, far too many at the moment.
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Well then I can just draft a loogy like Damaso Marte who sucks but only faces one batter so he picks up a ton of holds. As long as you don't blow the lead you get a hold. I don't know how many times last year a releiver came in with a 4 run lead, got one guy out and gave up 4 hits and 3 runs, and got credited with a hold.
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And whats your gripe on putouts?
Um, maybe that 1B's get 5 times more than any one else? Whoever drafts the 1B that's real team gets a lot of groundballs will win that category.

Scott Hatteberg, before he was permanently moved to DH, led the league in putouts because he played behind Saarloos (extreme sinkerballer), Haren and Harden (who feature the splitter as the go-to pitch).

Scott Hatteberg was also possibly the worst defensive first baseman in the MLB last year.
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I know OPS has become a favourite MLB stat but in fantasy baseball it's just a padded stat for power guys. Same as 2B. I like 3B because it values speed at the plate. Gives speed 2 decent categories, but even that I could see(3B) being dropped in order to keep things simple. Again, the same holds true for walks (as a batting category) it favours the big hitter as they are walked by pitchers. I would also consider errors a stat not worth keeping.

Complete games and shut outs, because they are few and far between are not worth the space. GiDP is a new stat that might have some value. Total bases and k/9 are other stats not worth keeping for the sake of simplicity.

Those are my thoughts.

I'm looking for interactive debate, this wasn't criticism of the stats chosen. I'll go with whatever the majority decides.
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I think OBP and SLG should be two different categories and OPS should be axed. This way, a guy like Luis Castillo who has no power but gets on base a ton will not be penalized for having an average OPS.

Triples I like. Walks definately need to be in there. 5'10" Brian Giles led the league in them last year, his amazing eye shouldn't be penalized because guys like Adam Dunn and Barry Bonds get walked due to pitchers being scared of them. I'm too lazy to look but if IBB is on there that's definately one you could get rid of.

I agree with getting rid of CG and SHO, and I agree with GIDP (for pitchers, not hitters). If you give up a lot of hits but cancel it out by getting ground ball double plays you should be rewarded for that. Total bases is already covered in other categories, K/9 I could live without but it's better than alot of pitching stats.

GO/AO (ground outs per 1 air out) would be one I'd consider adding
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holds make people like Tom Gordon valuable, he wouldn't be worht a roster spot if it wasn't in.
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Tom Gordon will be among the NL leaders in saves next season
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Still have room for one more, NerF?
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Had an autopick draft with a bunch of guys from some other messageboard.........my offense is terrible, but my pitching is awesome. I should be able to deal for at least one huge bat.

C - J. Kendall
1B - J. Morneau
2B - B. Roberts
3B - S. Hillenbrand
SS - J. Lugo
IF - M. Ellis
OF - H. Matsui
OF - B. Bonds
OF - M. Bradley
Util - G. Jenkins
BN - J. Drew
BN - J. Guillen
BN - C. Shelton

SP - J. Santana
SP - J. Beckett
RP - M. Rivera
RP - B. Lidge
P - B. Wagner
P - J. Nathan
P - D. Haren
BN - P. Byrd
BN - J. Duscherer

Wayyyy too many A's ended up on my team, though.
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Just had a 12 team draft for my public league, pretty happy. Somehow I got Hafner in the 6th and Melvin Mora in the 14th round.

C - Victor Martinez
1B - Chase Utley
2B - Jorge Cantu
3B - Melvin Mora
SS - Jhonny Peralta
OF - Carl Crawford
OF - Aubrey Huff
OF - Garret Anderson
Utl - Travis Hafner
BN - Bill Hall
BN - Jose Guillen

SP - Carlos Zambrano
SP - Cliff Lee
SP - Scott Kazmir
SP - Jeremy Bonderman
SP - Joe Blanton
SP - Brad Radke
RP - Joe Nathan
RP - Brian Fuentes
RP - Kyle Farnsworth
RP - Justin Duscherer

Would like to move Utley to second... trying to trade Cantu for either Ryan Howard or Paul Konerko. I could use another big bat, though every one of my hitters is capable of 20 HR and 80 RBI, so I guess I'm ok there.
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Had an autopick draft with a bunch of guys from some other messageboard.........my offense is terrible, but my pitching is awesome. I should be able to deal for at least one huge bat.

C - J. Kendall
1B - J. Morneau
2B - B. Roberts
3B - S. Hillenbrand
SS - J. Lugo
IF - M. Ellis
OF - H. Matsui
OF - B. Bonds
OF - M. Bradley
Util - G. Jenkins
BN - J. Drew
BN - J. Guillen
BN - C. Shelton

SP - J. Santana
SP - J. Beckett
RP - M. Rivera
RP - B. Lidge
P - B. Wagner
P - J. Nathan
P - D. Haren
BN - P. Byrd
BN - J. Duscherer

Wayyyy too many A's ended up on my team, though.
Made a few moves to try and bolster the offense, they won't be official until tomorrow....hopefully both will go through:

First off, I'm getting rid of Justin Morneau and picking up Ryan Zimmerman of the Nationals. Zimmerman is a real sleeper but he should hit for a high average and potential power as well.

I'm also going to try and drop Guillen and pick up Brad Wilkerson...who should have a much better year now that he is healthy and in the Bandbox of Arlington. Wilky will be in the hunt to be the guy at 1B, with Hillenbrand and Shelton challenging.

And of course, I should be able to add at least one sure-thing bat to my team, by dealing one of my closers (I'm shopping Lidge the most...but I'd deal any of them if the price was right)
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