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Old 03-13-2006, 08:51 PM   #41
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Point is, human Kane isn't nearly as big of a draw or as attractive to a fan base as monsterish, freaky Kane. While they DID inevitably make him more realistic, it was NOT an improvement. I don't recall monster Kane getting stale, at least not in terms of gimmick. I personally was disappointed when he was de-masked, though I may be in my own boat here.

Kane's an especially bad example, considering you were talking about gimmicks not working in the long term. Kane's scary movie, masked killer gimmick worked perfectly for a hellalong time.
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Old 03-14-2006, 11:02 AM   #42
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Once again, whatever you're saying has blown my mind.

I was talking about entertainment the whole time. But the thing with this entertainment is that it's World Wrestling Entertainment. And when one of the wrestlers doesn't actually wrestle, and one of them dresses funny but puts on a good match...I don't see how the difference isn't "applicable". It's not a costume party; it's a costume party with rasslin'.
Really? I remember a guy named Something Hogan in the World Wrestling Federation. The guy couldn't wrestle, had three moves and some gay poses, and somehow, that's DIFFERENT?
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Old 03-14-2006, 11:06 AM   #43
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Meanwhile, you and Pepsi Man seem to be the only ones who find me that esoteric. Well, you and a few of the retarded n00bs.

Has it ever occurred to you that my points might not be all that obscure, and maybe you two are just stupid?
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Old 03-14-2006, 11:58 AM   #44
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Really? I remember a guy named Something Hogan in the World Wrestling Federation. The guy couldn't wrestle, had three moves and some gay poses, and somehow, that's DIFFERENT?
Well,yeah. See, back when Something Hogan became so huge, there wasn't a lot of wrestling going on in the first place. THe company was mostly hosses in tights doing very slow, very basic stuff. So Hogan does all the non-wrestling crowd-play tactics to get them on his side. He panders, better than most, and he gets the big pops. But the pandering he did was in matches. Lousy matches, I grant you, but still matches.

But today, the action is bigger, faster, and entertaining, in and of itself. I like the characters the guys portray, but I watch for the wrestling. Maybe I'm nuts like that. And sure, you can call it stupid. You seem to have a very condescending way toward all my opinions. And that's fine, whatever. But comparing a guy who doesn't wrestle at all (Boogeyman) to a guy who wreslted adequately (Hogan) is a little off the point, what with the 30 year difference.
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See, you're trying to make excuses. The problem is, there really isn't that much more wrestling. WWE has strayed away from that. It's all "safer" wrestling with fewer big moves (Even moves that were allowed in Hogan's era).

You're making excuses, trying to hide behind the notion that Hogan wrestled. The problem is the Main event rarely uses a lot of moves. Cena, Austin, Hogan, the Rock...You can make all the excuses you want, but the focus, even during the era where they tried to compete with WCW's moveset, has always been Sports Entertainment, not Sports Entertainment.

You're trying to cut artificial distinctions. Many folks have introed in ways that that far less than the Boogeyman, and higher on the card. As much a fan as I am of making excuses why everyone you don't like sucks while defending people who do the same thing, you have to ignore most of the basis of the last 30 or so years of wrestling to do so.

Also, you really ought to check your own tone if you're going to whine about mine.
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See, you're trying to make excuses. The problem is, there really isn't that much more wrestling. WWE has strayed away from that. It's all "safer" wrestling with fewer big moves (Even moves that were allowed in Hogan's era).

You're making excuses, trying to hide behind the notion that Hogan wrestled. The problem is the Main event rarely uses a lot of moves. Cena, Austin, Hogan, the Rock...You can make all the excuses you want, but the focus, even during the era where they tried to compete with WCW's moveset, has always been Sports Entertainment, not Sports Entertainment.

You're trying to cut artificial distinctions. Many folks have introed in ways that that far less than the Boogeyman, and higher on the card. As much a fan as I am of making excuses why everyone you don't like sucks while defending people who do the same thing, you have to ignore most of the basis of the last 30 or so years of wrestling to do so.

Also, you really ought to check your own tone if you're going to whine about mine.
I don't exactly know how making a point is synonymous with making excuses. And as I said when I first mentioned Boogeyman in this thread, I don't dislike him. I'm not saying anything here to rip on any wrestlers, as they've done something to earn what they've got. On top of that, you brought up Hogan which I thought was a bad example of whatever you were saying in the first place.

Do me a huge favor: Make whatever your point is right now, nice and clear. That way, my stupidity can be swept away for now.
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