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Old 08-02-2006, 02:55 PM   #41
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has CM Punk ever taken painkillers? Or do they not count as drugs
He's probably never even eaten a commercially prepared food item.
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Old 08-02-2006, 02:59 PM   #42
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Old 08-02-2006, 03:53 PM   #43
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Never claimed you were. Just that the CM fanclub used it as a reason to assume that I was prejudiced against punk beyond all reason. I mean, OMG, he thinks Straightedge is stupid, that's a shot at our lord and savior!

It's pretty much the same thing I saw with Burchill. The argument went this way:

Fanboy: OMG look at the video! Watch this man fly!

Me: Do you really think WWE's going to let him keep doing those sick aerial moves?

Fanboy: Shut up! Stop hating on Burchill!

The truth is, I was largely impressed by Burchill. He's got some amazing moves and an extraordinary amount of talent. What people judged the statement on is my criticism of stating, in this case, that him flying meant something positive for WWE.

In fact, every time I say something about Punk, you seem to take it personally. Your response, for example, to the straightedge statement. Why tell me you are not straightedge? Did I call you straightedge, or did I say something like, "omething I've maintained since before you little girls knew who CM punk was or what a Straightedge was?"

I think it was the latter, and that's not calling you Straightedge. It's just saying I dun been aginit since before you fucks knew what it was.

In terms of hyping a local band that makes it big, there's a difference between what most people do, and what you and yours have done. Very rarely will you see this level of fanaticism from someone who's "just happy" to see a small act signed. And when you do, it's because it's an obsession, not because you're happy to see them make it big.
I didn't take it personally, just separating myself from the rest of them. You know I loves ya KK I don't take what you say about Punk personally, why would I? I'm not Punk.

When I do the whole big letter deal, its all in good fun, half the time making fun of the Sabin stuff Skippy does. Again I'm speaking for myself and not everyone else who's a Punk fan, he may not be the savior of professional wrestling....just for ECW.

Speaking of his actual in ring stuff last night, he used a lot more strikes than I've seen him do...and he actually used the real anaconda vice, not the headlock he had used in OVW.
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Old 08-02-2006, 03:56 PM   #44
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where is cmPunk from? Is he from that Over Wrestling promoton or somthin? Iv never seen him bfore.
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Old 08-02-2006, 04:04 PM   #45
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Old 08-02-2006, 04:45 PM   #46
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That was hilarious. For the past year & a half, I've been hearing nothing but how incredible Punk is. His first match on TV, he spends 3/4 of it selling for Justin Credible. JUSTIN CREDIBLE. I'm not detracting from Punk or anything, but I can just imagine Vince backstage when they're booking the match:

Vince: So what do we have up next?

John Laurinitis: We've gotta great new kid here, got a really unique gimmick. Says his name is.... C.M. Punk.

Vince: Ooooh, sounds promising! Where did he come from, Raw or Smackdown?

John: Actually... neither. He came from the indies. Worked some ROH too.

Vince: You're tellin me he didn't come from Raw?

John: Nope...

Vince: and he didn't come from Smackdown? I didn't make him?

John: No, listen, I think we can..

Vince: No way he's going over strong.

John: What?

Vince: I SAID. NO FUCKING WAY I'M GONNA MAKE HIM LOOK GOOD.
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Old 08-02-2006, 05:08 PM   #47
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Well, I've never seen Punk wrestle before and have to say I really liked what I saw. There's alot of potential there for some good feuds, particularly with RVD. I think his image fits in perfectly with ECW and he's very athletic. Definetly adds strength to the roster as he has shown he can be entertaining IMO even without the "hardcore" rules of ECW. I also like how his first match wasn't a squash. I hate when WWE feels that in order to get "new" talent over, they have to ram them down everyones throat and prove how dominant they are. The roster isn't that deep to have multiple jobbers, so there's really only room for like one squash per episode and that angle (no pun intended) works perfectly for Angle right now.
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Old 08-02-2006, 05:13 PM   #48
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That was hilarious. For the past year & a half, I've been hearing nothing but how incredible Punk is. His first match on TV, he spends 3/4 of it selling for Justin Credible. JUSTIN CREDIBLE. I'm not detracting from Punk or anything, but I can just imagine Vince backstage when they're booking the match:

Vince: So what do we have up next?

John Laurinitis: We've gotta great new kid here, got a really unique gimmick. Says his name is.... C.M. Punk.

Vince: Ooooh, sounds promising! Where did he come from, Raw or Smackdown?

John: Actually... neither. He came from the indies. Worked some ROH too.

Vince: You're tellin me he didn't come from Raw?

John: Nope...

Vince: and he didn't come from Smackdown? I didn't make him?

John: No, listen, I think we can..

Vince: No way he's going over strong.

John: What?

Vince: I SAID. NO FUCKING WAY I'M GONNA MAKE HIM LOOK GOOD.
Actually, Ace wouldn't know talent if it bit him on the ass. That's not the main problem...Vince is apparently fond pf Punk, making this even more puzzling.
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Old 08-02-2006, 05:14 PM   #49
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Old 08-02-2006, 05:45 PM   #50
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I thought it was a damn fine debut. I like the style he's working (Man, if he hit the Busaiku after the Kenta Combo... ). As for the promos leading to the debut, they were obviously scripted, and likely will be for the forseeable future.
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Old 08-02-2006, 05:45 PM   #51
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Actually, Ace wouldn't know talent if it bit him on the ass. That's not the main problem...Vince is apparently fond pf Punk, making this even more puzzling.
Look at the quality of new talent thats come in since Ace took over for JR as VP of talent relations. JR brought in the actual athletes like Benjamin and Haas....Ace brought in Snitsky and Heidenreich
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Old 08-02-2006, 05:49 PM   #52
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CM Punk should do well, mainly because he isnt a spot monkey. Spot monkeys tend to get toned down to kicks and chops when they enter the 'E'.
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Old 08-02-2006, 06:21 PM   #53
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Look at the quality of new talent thats come in since Ace took over for JR as VP of talent relations. JR brought in the actual athletes like Benjamin and Haas....Ace brought in Snitsky and Heidenreich
How sad is that?
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Old 08-02-2006, 06:24 PM   #54
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Old 08-02-2006, 06:29 PM   #55
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Old 08-02-2006, 07:17 PM   #56
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Just saw his debut, thought it was a decent enough match for what it was.

The fact is, everyone is expecting him to come in and put on a 60 minute match to the standard of the Joe matches (which I'm willing to wager half the people who hype him haven't actually seen) be involved in some major fued, with some memorable promos and become the next superstar.

Facts are facts, the guy has talent in the ring, he has a unique gimmick and he can work the mic, but this ain't Ring of Honor he's working for now. He's going to be on TV for a maximum of 10 minutes (more likely 5 or 6) each week and won't do anything like what people want or expect until either a) ECW get another hour of TV or b) They start doing ECW PPVs.

I'd say people should get off his nuts until he can prove that he can bring the skills he certainly has to the big stage, and do the very best with what he's got and I'd also say that everyone who is being a detractor should actually give the guy a chance. He's had 3 (maybe 4 I can't remember) half decent introductory promos and a 6 minute match on TV, which was a pretty decent match for the time it had.

The real test is how he performs in front of the bigger arena with people who don't give a fuck about him, if he can connect with the crowd, he can get over in the long term, which will potentially put him in the position to do what everyone who loves him says he's gonna do.
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Even if he does get over with the WWE fan base, it doesn't mean he'll get pushed for more than a couple of months. But I'm sure you've noticed that trend by now.

But hey at least he'd be getting paid.
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That was hilarious. For the past year & a half, I've been hearing nothing but how incredible Punk is. His first match on TV, he spends 3/4 of it selling for Justin Credible. JUSTIN CREDIBLE. I'm not detracting from Punk or anything, but I can just imagine Vince backstage when they're booking the match:

Vince: So what do we have up next?

John Laurinitis: We've gotta great new kid here, got a really unique gimmick. Says his name is.... C.M. Punk.

Vince: Ooooh, sounds promising! Where did he come from, Raw or Smackdown?

John: Actually... neither. He came from the indies. Worked some ROH too.

Vince: You're tellin me he didn't come from Raw?

John: Nope...

Vince: and he didn't come from Smackdown? I didn't make him?

John: No, listen, I think we can..

Vince: No way he's going over strong.

John: What?

Vince: I SAID. NO FUCKING WAY I'M GONNA MAKE HIM LOOK GOOD.
Booking 101:

You put heels over in squash matches, make people know they are undeniably talented, that way when they have cheat to win against X baby face they look all the better.

You put babies over through competitive matches. Showing the audience that he is a white meat baby face. That he gets his shit done through wrestling hard fought battles.

Oh yeah, submission victory is always going over huge in kayfabe.
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Booking 101:

You put babies over through competitive matches. Showing the audience that he is a white meat baby face. That he gets his shit done through wrestling hard fought battles.
But Credible is now a jobber.
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But Credible is now a jobber.
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And? You should always start at the bottom.
But he was already higher up.

Let's face it, Vince isn't going to push any non-WWE former ECW talent besides Sabu.
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Old 08-03-2006, 10:07 AM   #65
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I love how Destor's booking 101 seems to defy everything WWE does, and yet is supporting a WWE choice.

Sounds like making excuses to me.
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Old 08-03-2006, 01:47 PM   #66
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But he was already higher up.

Let's face it, Vince isn't going to push any non-WWE former ECW talent besides Sabu.
Strange that isn't it? Vince would rather push a man who's been openly arrested for drug use, is notorious for no-shows and hasn't wrestled a decent match in years than old school professionals like Justin Credible.
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Old 08-03-2006, 01:48 PM   #67
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Not that I'm saying Justin Credible should be main eventing... certainly not! But why would bookers want to headline someone as difficult to manage as Sabu?
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Old 08-03-2006, 02:04 PM   #68
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Old 08-03-2006, 02:05 PM   #69
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Old 08-03-2006, 02:48 PM   #70
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Not that I'm saying Justin Credible should be main eventing... certainly not! But why would bookers want to headline someone as difficult to manage as Sabu?
Sabu=Money, pure and simple.
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Old 08-03-2006, 03:40 PM   #71
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certainly not my money though
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Old 08-03-2006, 03:42 PM   #72
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Old 08-03-2006, 06:01 PM   #73
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The entrance he has now is waaaaay better than his AFI entrance. The guy had a great debut, even Justin Credible seemed to be feeding off of the crowd's energy from it.
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Old 08-03-2006, 06:31 PM   #74
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certainly not my money though
Nor mine, but he is money.

Although, I mustsay, his usage of late has been pretty damn good...For Sabu.

...And great for WWE...
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certainly not my money though
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Old 08-03-2006, 09:02 PM   #76
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