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Old 08-10-2006, 07:12 PM   #41
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cena is no where near hogan or triple h when it comes to this sort of stuff. the diff is i bet cena would rather be doing his old routine and his old stuff and not caring if the fans hated him or cheered him, whereas hogan and hhh wanted the limelight all for themselves. cena today is a product of wwe, not cena.

so go boo vince instead
Also true. I don't think it was Cena's idea to keep the title on himself for a year.
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Old 08-10-2006, 07:13 PM   #42
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Because he doesn't entertain me like he used too.
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Old 08-10-2006, 07:13 PM   #43
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i hope i am convincing some of u guys not to hate cena. anybody thriller seems clued up already and has got that.
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Obviously I respect Cena to a certain extent, dont get me wrong I respect the guys who draw the money as much as I respect the guys who can really wrestle, and wrestle well.

I also think Cena could be a pretty OK wrestler...If he stayed within the US title leagues where the WWE are pushing him like mad, they only want him to use a few moves to squash others.
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But is it Cena, Austin, or The Rock's fault that they were being cheered? They were just given an opportunity and their personalities caught on with the fans. It's not like anybody was being brainwashed or anything. People can cheer for whatever the hell it is they want to cheer for, and for whatever reason.
I"m not saying it is. And to be fair, the reason I didn't like the Rock and Austin was that I did not yet understand their characters. Once I got into the groove, I saw how and why the fans cheered for them.

And Cena was an awesome heel. When he started out on SD, he was great. And I mean that. But his face turn was so watery and useless...it ruined him. And the fact that the people who cheer for him do it because he's "cool", "sexy" or "controversial", is why I don't like those fans. They don't cheer the wrestler, they cheer his abs and his high school authority problem.
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What does his in-ring performance have to do with the US title?
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I"m not saying it is. And to be fair, the reason I didn't like the Rock and Austin was that I did not yet understand their characters. Once I got into the groove, I saw how and why the fans cheered for them.
maybe u dont understand his character he's aimed at kids my age, y would u like him?

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And Cena was an awesome heel. When he started out on SD, he was great. And I mean that. But his face turn was so watery and useless...it ruined him. And the fact that the people who cheer for him do it because he's "cool", "sexy" or "controversial", is why I don't like those fans. They don't cheer the wrestler, they cheer his abs and his high school authority problem.
and austin was loved bcos his ability... no, bcos of his gimmick and anti-hero attitude. cena is austin for 2006.
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And Cena was an awesome heel. When he started out on SD, he was great. And I mean that. But his face turn was so watery and useless...it ruined him. And the fact that the people who cheer for him do it because he's "cool", "sexy" or "controversial", is why I don't like those fans. They don't cheer the wrestler, they cheer his abs and his high school authority problem.
Definitely a great heel. But I still cheer Cena because I think his promos are fresh and entertaining. His delivery is second to none. And I really don't think he's as bad in-ring as everybody makes him out to be. He's just a brawler, not a technical wizard. I don't think everybody HAS to be a technical wizard. The brawler style is just part of his character, and personally, I think it suits him well. Also, he's capable of having some really good matches.
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I just said you idiot. Making him a main eventer (pushing him like mad) results in him always using the same moves and winning. thus making him limited, The US title isnt very hot anymore so he wouldnt be constantly using the same moves, and would be more flexible.
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thats bullshit and u kno it.
Listen, cunt muscle. You asked a question, and I'm giving you my personal answer. If you don't like it, that's fine. But I have megatons of respect of Scott Taylor and every other uber talented guy that gets shit on in that company.

Don't call me a liar when it comes to respect.
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Listen, cunt muscle. You asked a question, and I'm giving you my personal answer. If you don't like it, that's fine.
but its ok to ridicule john cena fans. ha ha.

u dont know whether ur coming or going! hows it feel to be flamed by a n00b
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I just said you idiot. Making him a main eventer (pushing him like mad) results in him always using the same moves and winning. thus making him limited, The US title isnt very hot anymore so he wouldnt be constantly using the same moves, and would be more flexible.
So I'm an idiot now? Shut the fuck up. The US title has absolutely nothing to do with John Cena's in-ring ability. WHATSOEVER.
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Definitely a great heel. But I still cheer Cena because I think his promos are fresh and entertaining. His delivery is second to none. And I really don't think he's as bad in-ring as everybody makes him out to be. He's just a brawler, not a technical wizard. I don't think everybody HAS to be a technical wizard. The brawler style is just part of his character, and personally, I think it suits him well. Also, he's capable of having some really good matches.
It's not that he's bad, per se. I don't consider him sloppy or dangerous, far from it. He executes his moves excedingly well. The problem is that they're the same damn stuff every damn night. Clothesline, clothesline, fisherman suplex, spinout powerbomb, clothesline, elevated fireman carry slam, stf.

It's like clockwork, and it's frustrating as all hell.
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yeh, im scotty too hotty
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It's not that he's bad, per se. I don't consider him sloppy or dangerous, far from it. He executes his moves excedingly well. The problem is that they're the same damn stuff every damn night. Clothesline, clothesline, fisherman suplex, spinout powerbomb, clothesline, elevated fireman carry slam, stf.

It's like clockwork, and it's frustrating as all hell.
Perhaps. I just hope you were never a Hogan fan.
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It's not that he's bad, per se. I don't consider him sloppy or dangerous, far from it. He executes his moves excedingly well. The problem is that they're the same damn stuff every damn night. Clothesline, clothesline, fisherman suplex, spinout powerbomb, clothesline, elevated fireman carry slam, stf.

It's like clockwork, and it's frustrating as all hell.
as opposed to austin.... lou thesz press, mudhole stomping, finger flicking, punch, punch, stunner, pin.

if it aint broke, dont fix it
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I was thinking John Cena.
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So I'm an idiot now? Shut the fuck up. The US title has absolutely nothing to do with John Cena's in-ring ability. WHATSOEVER.
Lol, just hush. You are talking shit.
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Old 08-10-2006, 07:26 PM   #61
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No, seriously. It wouldn't matter if he were the US champion or the fucking Cruiserweight champion. His moveset would be the same. I don't see why you think it would be any different. You say because he uses the same moves to win all the time? Guess what? THAT'S BEEN A TRADITION IN WRESTLING FOR A BILLION YEARS NOW. Finishing moves are not a new concept.
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Perhaps. I just hope you were never a Hogan fan.
Well, I will say this....

I never got to see Hogan in his hayday. ANd when he returned to SD -- before the Zack Gowen/Mr. America thing -- I was interested to see what he was like. But I was never what you'd call a fan.
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as opposed to austin.... lou thesz press, mudhole stomping, finger flicking, punch, punch, stunner, pin.

if it aint broke, dont fix it
Austin's finisher actually looked like a finisher. And, although I could see that others were enormous Austin fans, I never really was.

I undertsand that many guys have movesets to which they cling, but a little inventive exploration doesn't hurt.
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Why do I hate Cena? Well it's not that I hate him. It's just that he got so boring that I couldn't stand him being the champ anymore. Now lately without the belt he has got entertaining again, i'm not denying that. But I think he got the belt too soon, thats what pissed me off the most. Also, they changed his gimmick, which was where he started going downhill. I've noticed they've been resorting back to his old gimmick recently though, as he's putting more aggression in his promos. I bet that aggression goes once he gets the title back.

And the reason we hate kids/ girls cheering for him is because they cheer anybody that is shoved down our throats.
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Austin's finisher actually looked like a finisher. And, although I could see that others were enormous Austin fans, I never really was.

I undertsand that many guys have movesets to which they cling, but a little inventive exploration doesn't hurt.
thats right he needs more INNOVATION.

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I didn't say he needed innovation. He just needs to start utilizing his skill and ease up on blowing the fanbase he currently holds.
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Is it even his decision? I know the WWE is notorious for controlling move sets.
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They may dictate what you're allowed to do...but I'm sure you have to show what you can do first. And if he were to spice things up, I doubt the company would mind.

Oh, and VAC...you're really blowing this out of proportion. Nobody said it was "make it or break it".
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Old 08-10-2006, 07:49 PM   #72
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They may dictate what you're allowed to do...but I'm sure you have to show what you can do first.
thats why a talented nova is simon dean then? yeh cena might have more say in what he does, so thats perhaps a bad example, as he is a bgger star.

put urself in vinces shoes, would u let cena change his way if he was the no 1 draw and merchandise seller? or put urself in cena's, wud you jeopardise ur position and risk getting in the dog house when you've got nothing to gain, but everyfin to lose?
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Old 08-10-2006, 07:58 PM   #73
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thats why a talented nova is simon dean then? yeh cena might have more say in what he does, so thats perhaps a bad example, as he is a bgger star.

put urself in vinces shoes, would u let cena change his way if he was the no 1 draw and merchandise seller? or put urself in cena's, wud you jeopardise ur position and risk getting in the dog house when you've got nothing to gain, but everyfin to lose?
I"m afraid I don't follow your comment about Nova.

But in regards to Cena, I'm not talking about him changing his character or getting a new gimmick. I"m saying, why not replace that fisherman suplex with a 99 Crusher once every 3 months? How about switching out the Spinout Powerbomb with simple German Suplex? Hell, I haven't even seen a Throwback in ages.

It doesn't take much to spice things up. His promos are getting better -- probably because he's writing them again -- and he's much more relatable since he's having trouble getting the belt back. But his in-ring is still the same old shtick.
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VAC would love to, I'm sure.
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In all fairness, he just did a Throwback on Monday.
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My bad.



But you get my point...?
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I"m afraid I don't follow your comment about Nova..
i am saying that the wwe doesnt always let wrestlers be themselves. they are packaged for what they think is the good of the product. they havent given nova a chance when we all know he's amazzzzzing!

its not as easy as cena turning round and saying 'hey, i wanna be me now" bcos he cant.

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But in regards to Cena, I'm not talking about him changing his character or getting a new gimmick. I"m saying, why not replace that fisherman suplex with a 99 Crusher once every 3 months? How about switching out the Spinout Powerbomb with simple German Suplex? Hell, I haven't even seen a Throwback in ages..
yeh, why not... it never hurt anyone to break out a speciality every now n agen...
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VAC would love to, I'm sure.
then id sell my story to the papers.
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then id sell my story to the papers.
Which, in turn, would completely expose Cena as the faggot that he is, and because of how ignorant Americans are, would destroy his career, he would be fired, and that would be the end of him.

So please, go and do it. It would destroy Cena.
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