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Old 12-12-2003, 04:48 PM   #41
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Just a quick point. Not once have you mentioned that people like her for her music, implying that only the image matters.
Or that nobody disagrees over her music...
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Old 12-12-2003, 05:03 PM   #42
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I find it fucking hilarious how any time Ev is brought up here all that's talked about is AMY. I love Amy: her writing, her voice, her style but this topic was about Ben. whatev.
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Old 12-12-2003, 09:32 PM   #43
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Or that nobody disagrees over her music...

I bloody do. I don't get why they get the accolades when Within Temptation and Nightwish (and to some extent Lacuna Coil) have the same image, but provide much better quality material.
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because they haven't had a single hit the mainstream like Bring Me To Life? I'm sure if they had a song of that well..magnitude, they'd hit it big too.

(BTW, BMTL drives me crazy, it's an overplayed POS now, and not even 15 different versions can make it good again)
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I don't dislike Ev. because they have hit the big time whereas these bands haven't, but because these bands should have. WT an Nightwish haven't had hit singles in the US. But that does not take away from the fact that they produce music on a much better level than Ev.

I mean come on, Dead boys Poem or Sleeping Sun > My Immortal
Over The Hills and Far Away or End Of All Hope > Bring Me To Life

Listen to them if you haven't already.
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I bloody do. I don't get why they get the accolades when Within Temptation and Nightwish (and to some extent Lacuna Coil) have the same image, but provide much better quality material.
I'm still trying to figure out why people compare Lacuna Coil and Evanescence in the first place. there really isn't that strong a relationship between the two sounds. The similarities seem to be superficial at best, too.

I don't really contest their music. I enjoy it. I think fanboys go overboard, but you get that with almost any popular style of music. Course, the image is probably more important to a lot of people, but I wasn't arguing the music because I didn't see it as much of an issue. It's pop. You like it or you don't. Some people take it further and crusade over an image, and that's the only place I really take issue. I decided I liked the music before I knew what she looked like, and wasn't that impressed with her appearance. The music's cool.

As for why they have the mainstream but those other bands don't, it's mainly image and marketability. Mainstream hype is all a marketing tool. Bands like Linkin Park and Evanescences aren't put there because they're the hottest of their genres, but because they're the ones that can be milked.
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I'm still trying to figure out why people compare Lacuna Coil and Evanescence in the first place. there really isn't that strong a relationship between the two sounds. The similarities seem to be superficial at best, too.

I don't really contest their music. I enjoy it. I think fanboys go overboard, but you get that with almost any popular style of music. Course, the image is probably more important to a lot of people, but I wasn't arguing the music because I didn't see it as much of an issue. It's pop. You like it or you don't. Some people take it further and crusade over an image, and that's the only place I really take issue. I decided I liked the music before I knew what she looked like, and wasn't that impressed with her appearance. The music's cool.

As for why they have the mainstream but those other bands don't, it's mainly image and marketability. Mainstream hype is all a marketing tool. Bands like Linkin Park and Evanescences aren't put there because they're the hottest of their genres, but because they're the ones that can be milked.
I'm not really too into the appearance of Evanescence. I think Amy Lee is a beautiful girl but I too didn't know what the band looked like. The first time I heard a sample of their music was during a DareDevil trailer before Final Destination 2 last February. The girl I was with told me she liked the girl from the band but I thought she said "It was an all girl band." I also thought that Paul McCoys parts were done by the lead singer of POD, cause it kinda sounded like him.

I didn't know shit, I was just really impressed with the little bit of chours I heard from the movie. I liked it cause it was something different.

I personally like Evanescence for their harder stuff like "One Last Breath" and "Whisper". It's an odd combination to have a girl with a soft, almost operah like voice... mixed with the guitar and bass beat in a lot of their songs. I like it because it's soft voice and lyrics expressed in a hard way.

At their concert Amy was screaming the lyrics, and usually when a girl screams her voice isn't half as good as it usually is but hers was beautiful... and that's what I like about the band. Amy could shave her head and have her boobs moved to her knee's for all I care.

I'm also into Linkin Park, once again not because of an image. If you listen to a song like "Don't Stay" from LP, then listen to a song like "One Last Breath" from EV... you'll see they're the same in many ways.

The guitar beats in the music are similar, but even more similar they're both considered rock groups, and both have earned a HUGE amount of respect for me because of their choice of lyrics. Evanescence is more poetic with emotion, where Linkin Park is more blunt and straight forward with emotion in their music.

So hey... you have your own opinion and so does everyone else. You don't think Amy Lee is hot, I do. You can say she's not hot, you can say you don't like the music... but don't tell me and other people why we think what we think. Because I think I know what and why I think a lot better than you do.
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I was only comparing them because everyone else does. I was merely trying to draw a parallel between female fronted rock bands as a point of reference.

Primarily because I was waiting for the "But those are different types of bands!!!!" When I mentioned a male fronted band
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So hey... you have your own opinion and so does everyone else. You don't think Amy Lee is hot, I do. You can say she's not hot, you can say you don't like the music... but don't tell me and other people why we think what we think. Because I think I know what and why I think a lot better than you do.
The thing is you get all asshurt when someone says she's not hot and it makes you look stupid, as does comparing Ev to LP.
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The thing is you get all asshurt when someone says she's not hot and it makes you look stupid, as does comparing Ev to LP.
If anyone would know when I get asshurt it would be you since you've been up my ass for the past week or so for reasons unknown to me.

A lot of people who like EV like LP too. And they DO have a lot of similarities. Some people have gone as far as to call Evanescence "Linkin Park with a female singer" or something along those lines. Which I don't agree with but songs like One Last Breath do sound somewhat similar to songs like Don't Stay.

There was a topic comparing the two over at your EVBoard, I guess they're all stupid too. Also if I remember correctly there's even a member by the name of "Parkenescene" or something along those lines.

This whole damn topic makes you look stupid so don't tell me about looking stupid. I'd get better results learning potty training habits from my dog than learning how not to look stupid from yourself.
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So hey... you have your own opinion and so does everyone else. You don't think Amy Lee is hot, I do. You can say she's not hot, you can say you don't like the music... but don't tell me and other people why we think what we think. Because I think I know what and why I think a lot better than you do.
First off...I've already made it clear I like the music. You're just overzealous. Compared to you, I probably do look like a hater.

Second off, try practicing what you preach. Once again, you bitch about people telling you why you like the band, try not telling other people the same, whether it's why they like or hate a musician or the music they do. Yeah, that's pretty much you were doing on that internet hate site thread, and what you've done in this thread as well. You think you know why you like Evanescence, and it's unfair that I or anyone else should judge you on that...Oh, but it's different when you're judging someone else's reasons for liking or hating someone.
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I was only comparing them because everyone else does. I was merely trying to draw a parallel between female fronted rock bands as a point of reference.

Primarily because I was waiting for the "But those are different types of bands!!!!" When I mentioned a male fronted band
Well, duh. They have a female front. They're nothing like their male fronted analogs. Ev is closer to Linkin Park or one of those bands than to LC. They have the benefit of not containing scratching, and msotly being rap free, but are mostly similar (Moreso than different).

Female-Fronted music isn't much different than male-fronted music of the same style. but it does seem people are more likely to draw comparisons. My favorite is Melissa Ferrick being compared to Melissa Etheridge and Ani DiFranco. You know the only comparison there? They're all lesbians. Ferrick is a LITTLE similar to Etheridge, but NOTHING like DiFranco. Even then, Ferrick and Etheridge don't sound enough alike for any comparison...Until you know they're gay. Then, of course, it all becomes clear.

BTW, Evanescence is a cheap Stone Coyotes knock-off. Hey, they're both female-fronted.
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Old 01-03-2004, 04:02 PM   #54
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ben moody was the band. its not gonna be the same in any way without him. they need to stop ripping off lacuna coil and go their own direction
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yeah..okay..Amy, Rocky, John, and Will were just decorations. Ben was the Whole F'n Show...

I still fail to see how Evanescence "copy" Lacuna Coil. is it because they both have female leads?
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their entire style. fyi moody wrote the songs...the rest of the band is mediocre at best. amy and ben are the only things that stand out
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uh..no. Ben AND Amy CO-WROTE almost all the songs (I say almost because most of the older stuff was written by one or the other)
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singers are not musicians. and well their songs are easy and weak. they might sound good. but take away the programming and their sunk
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ok evanescence without samples and keyboards/piano in the backgroud. what do you have. a generic band that would still be in their parents basement.
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ok evanescence without samples and keyboards/piano in the backgroud. what do you have. a generic band that would still be in their parents basement.
Yes, and that's why they've sold several million copies of Fallen....

They're not a generic band, they seem to have impressed people with their music. Sampling? What are you listening to? And if you've heard the demos or the acoustic versions of any of their songs - there is something there that I find interesting and obviously others have too.

I really find it frustrating when people think that so and so is a "generic band." They must have something to get this far, hmm?
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Yes, and that's why they've sold several million copies of Fallen....

They're not a generic band, they seem to have impressed people with their music. Sampling? What are you listening to? And if you've heard the demos or the acoustic versions of any of their songs - there is something there that I find interesting and obviously others have too.

I really find it frustrating when people think that so and so is a "generic band." They must have something to get this far, hmm?

Hey haven't you heard. Evanescene is popular now. It's cool to make assinine statements about how they're no good.

I went to the concert and it was by far the best concert I've ever been to. I'm not saying that cause I like the band. I've seen other bands I like. Evanescence just kicked ass.

Why? Heavy guitar, and Amy's ability to scream at the top of her lungs, still sound good, and just fucking rock out.
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im not ripping. im planning on seeing them in febuary
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You're in for a treat. The concert was the perfect blend of a soft voice combined with in your face aggression which is why I think the band got so big. Amy has a voice you'd expect to hear in slower songs like My Immortal, then she takes that voice and throws intensity into it.

Also the crowd made the concert. Crowd surfing, people screaming, and I've been to a few concerts in my time but I've NEVER seen the crowd so in sync with the performers. I'd compare it to wrestling to be honest. Back in the days where Billy Gunn would say "And if you're not down with DeGeneration X, we GOT TWO WORDS FOR YA'!!!" and threw the mic up... that's what the concert was like.

Amy didn't even signal for the crowd to take over at some parts and they did anyway. There was a part in Going Under where she left the background vocals do the work, and the crowd jumped in shouting "GOING UUUUNDER"... I was like "Woo".

If I had to pick a word to describe it, and I couldn't use words like "Awesome"... I'd have to say "Intense". The guys in the back weren't waving their hands or anything so Amy gets on the mic and says "Come on get your fucking hands in the air!!!"

That's what I like about the band. Amy comes across as passive at points but she's so confident and aggressive with who she is. SEXY!
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excuse the fuck out of me?

Singers are not musicians? Are you smoking feline laxatives again?

Are you saying that if you sing you're automatically not a musician? Guess Trent Reznor, Ben Folds, Tori Amos, Kristy Thirsk, Dave Gilmour, Roger Waters and Paul McCartney aren't musicians then.

One of my best friends has a master's degree in music and music throey. Her primary instrument? Voice.
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hey ****ass they play guitar/write songs/program/and or play piano. get your shit right.
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and amy lee plays piano and writes songs. Thank you for calling.
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Old 01-04-2004, 03:58 PM   #72
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and amy lee plays piano and writes songs. Thank you for calling.
Thank you for playing...
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Old 01-04-2004, 06:21 PM   #73
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dont you feel gifted. theirs this thing with words and spelling in it...have you read it?
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Old 01-04-2004, 06:23 PM   #74
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dont you feel gifted. theirs this thing with words and spelling in it...have you read it?
You apparently haven't.
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Old 01-04-2004, 06:23 PM   #75
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you need a question mark after "gifted" and it's "there's"
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Old 01-04-2004, 06:23 PM   #76
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sad. i dont envy you.
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Old 01-04-2004, 06:25 PM   #77
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that's fine. You're the one who likes Evanessence
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Old 01-04-2004, 06:25 PM   #78
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sad. i dont envy you.
Oh well, if you really don't want to master the arts of punctuation and grammar...
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Oh well, if you really don't want to master the arts of punctuation and grammar...
i dont care.
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Old 01-04-2004, 06:36 PM   #80
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dont you feel gifted. theirs this thing with words and spelling in it...have you read it?
I'm sorry, I didn't understand this post. Could you rephrase?
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