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Old 08-26-2006, 06:30 PM   #41
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he gets pummeled for twenty minutes, then does, a couple of punches, kicks, the 5 knuckle shuffle, then a stfu or f-u to win. I hate that so much.
Just like Hulkamania
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Old 08-26-2006, 06:50 PM   #42
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Old 08-26-2006, 06:59 PM   #43
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Just like Hulkamania
No....cena isn't afraid to lose a match for the good of a story line
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Old 08-26-2006, 07:17 PM   #44
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No matter what you try and preach, I still know that Cena is one of the most annoying babyfaces of all time. Sure the guy does bleed charisma... but his character is unbearable... which is not 100% his fault... but partly. A full 360 of his character could quite possibly save him, and I think WWE knows this and wants the hate to be so strong for him so that when they do finally turn him, it will be legendary.

Until then... Cena sucks.
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Old 08-26-2006, 09:06 PM   #45
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Nah, ever since One Night Stand he has been on fire. The WWE was smart, he was getting booed, yet making them money, they shoved him down our throats then eventually they will turn him heel and it will be legendary. His matches have gotten a lot better as well.
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Old 08-26-2006, 09:23 PM   #46
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I've never hated Cena. He's improved a little in the ring and is decent. He is good on the mic but I do believe his character was pushed wrong and would work better as a heel. I was actually a fan of his back in 2003 when he was heel and was allowed to do his own thing as Fignuts said it is the WWE writers who give him this shit.
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Old 08-26-2006, 09:27 PM   #47
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Nah, ever since One Night Stand he has been on fire. The WWE was smart, he was getting booed, yet making them money, they shoved him down our throats then eventually they will turn him heel and it will be legendary. His matches have gotten a lot better as well.
No he hasnt
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Old 08-26-2006, 09:37 PM   #48
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I don't care what anybody says - he's crap on the mic and crap in the ring, and hasn't entertained me at all since being face. This has nothing to do with a bandwagon - it just so happens that when something sucks, most people realize that it sucks and will say that it sucks.
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Old 08-26-2006, 11:44 PM   #49
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So the bottom line is he needs to 1) Improve his ring skills 2) Improve his mic skills and 3) BE TURNED HEEL!!! point made... end of story.
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Old 08-27-2006, 12:43 AM   #50
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I love how everyone resorts to the TURN HIM HEEL! Crap on anyone who's dislike ro has been doing one thing too long. IT's so linear and bland.
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Old 08-27-2006, 01:07 AM   #51
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No matter what you try and preach, I still know that Cena is one of the most annoying babyfaces of all time. Sure the guy does bleed charisma... but his character is unbearable... which is not 100% his fault... but partly. A full 360 of his character could quite possibly save him, and I think WWE knows this and wants the hate to be so strong for him so that when they do finally turn him, it will be legendary.

Until then... Cena sucks.
Not to be a downer but how does a full 360 turn do anything for Cena? He just ends up the same.

Now if you said a full 180...then I'd get your point. But as it is...nah, I dun get it.
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Old 08-27-2006, 01:13 AM   #52
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Old 08-27-2006, 02:20 AM   #53
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Not to be a downer but how does a full 360 turn do anything for Cena? He just ends up the same.

Now if you said a full 180...then I'd get your point. But as it is...nah, I dun get it.
Sorry for the miscalculation, won't happen again professor.
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CENA SUCKS!!!!!
FUCK CENA!!!!!
ALL THE CENA FANS ARE FUCKING MARKS!!!!!!!
MARKS WITH AIDS!!!!!!!!!

Okay, now that I'm done Cena bashing, I'll read the thread.

Yep....yep.... uh-huh.... mmmmm.... hmmmm?
He still sucks.

Maybe if he wasn't a faced pushed down my throat that I want to boo I wouldn't bash him. Send him back to OVW for a year or two so he can learn a few more moves, and we'll be good to go.
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Old 08-27-2006, 02:28 AM   #55
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Now, as far as Cena goes, he's in this weird rut. For the past 2 years, his character has just gotton safer and blander. And it's sorta what made me give up on the WWE. To be perfectly honest with you, I miss the Cena who showed up after Brock Lesner put him on the shelf for awhile. Bring back that Cena and I will definitly have no problem cheering him.
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CENA SUCKS!!!!!
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MARKS WITH AIDS!!!!!!!!!

Okay, now that I'm done Cena bashing, I'll read the thread.

Yep....yep.... uh-huh.... mmmmm.... hmmmm?
He still sucks.

Maybe if he wasn't a faced pushed down my throat that I want to boo I wouldn't bash him. Send him back to OVW for a year or two so he can learn a few more moves, and we'll be good to go.
That part was stupid on a whole new level.
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And I don't care how many times he has had which title, who he's main evented with, or how long he has been wrestling. The guy has a lot to learn. Just say he stubbed his toe and send him back to OVW. Get him off my tv until his move set is a little more varied.
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I'm of the opinion that most people WANT to like John Cena. The problem lies in his vanilla persona and limited in-ring ability. The people who don't notice this are little kids (who just look at wrestlers as larger than life characters) and women (who tihnk he's hot)

The rest of us, that closely follow and enjoy wrestling can't appreciate him for the above mentioned reasons. But deep down, I think most of us would like to see him succeed and be the guy that carries WWE into a new golden era, because let's face it, no one else on the roster is going to be able to do it.
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I'm not reading the rest of this. Maybe I'm being alittle harsh, but no. No, no, no, no, no, and no.
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I'm of the opinion that most people WANT to like John Cena. The problem lies in his vanilla persona and limited in-ring ability. The people who don't notice this are little kids (who just look at wrestlers as larger than life characters) and women (who tihnk he's hot)

The rest of us, that closely follow and enjoy wrestling can't appreciate him for the above mentioned reasons. But deep down, I think most of us would like to see him succeed and be the guy that carries WWE into a new golden era, because let's face it, no one else on the roster is going to be able to do it.
I agree with everything in that post except for you saying that "no one else on the roster is going to be able to do it." My problem with that is that I think the guy that has the potential to do it is the current WWE Champion, Edge. He's great on the mic and a pretty good wrestler. I think Edge is the perfect guy to take us into a "new golden era" if WWE doesn't screw it up.
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Wait, are you saying his mom is a dude?
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I can't cheer a guy who has one more move than Pikachu. If the masses can, then I'm screwed because I'll have this drek on my tv every week.
And I don't care how many times he has had which title, who he's main evented with, or how long he has been wrestling. The guy has a lot to learn. Just say he stubbed his toe and send him back to OVW. Get him off my tv until his move set is a little more varied.
A more varied move set isn't going to get him over with the crowd. Maybe with a few smarks, but thats about it. Remember ONS II? Cena does something different (cant remember what) and the crowd chant: YOU STILL SUCK. After just getting done chanting same old shit at the guy.

He's past the point doing anything different is going to help, the audience wont even give the guy a chance. I mean shit, the majority of the crowd is too stubborn to realize he has vastly improved in the past 5 months, and is doing everything in HIS power to improve. Its not like he's booking or that he can just bust out a Tiger Suplex for the hell of it. He suffers the same restrictions the rest of the roster does.

Besides, he has just as many moves as The Rock, Steve Austin and Hulk Hogan. Difference is they had a larger mark percentage. If you want wrestling the WWE main event scene has never really been the place to go.*







*I am of course not saying that they have always been inept of technical wrestlers, just that when they have been on top it wasn't the case.
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I've never been a Cena fan and it's not just becuase I think his wrestling skills are rather lackluster. Wrestling skills don't mean anyting to me when it comes to whether or not I like a wrestler. Fuck, I'm a fan of Necro Butcher! I don't like Cena becuase I can't identify with the character nor am I entertained by the character.
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Old 08-27-2006, 05:00 AM   #71
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Wait, are you saying his mom is a dude?
maybe....nah, I'm an ass....but not THAT big of one
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Old 08-27-2006, 05:04 AM   #72
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This is all booking's fault to be fair. His first real feud on Raw (besides the cup of tea with Christian), was Chris Jericho. Jericho is a guy who was debuted as a heel in the WWE and was cheered for being exciting and charismatic. He's a great heel, but there is, and will probably always be, a contingent that will cheer for him. (as seen from the events where there was a mixed reaction.) His second major feud? Kurt Angle. The booking staff SHOULD have seen the writing on the wall, that Angle was too popular to be booed. When you have fans cheering a performer over a RETARD, his heel card has pretty much been used up. The only guy he really gets any kind of positive reaction against is Edge.

Cena, let's face it, is probably the next coming of Sting. I say that because with both the chase is better than the catch. I also feel the Cena should get a feud with someone else, as there is simply more to do with Edge right now (you can tap a feud with Carlito that preps him for the Main Event, and there's also, dare I say, Triple H, who he has good ring chemistry with.) Give Cena a good feud with Orton and Umaga to put him back in position for a feud down the road, when it will be NEW and INNOVATIVE again.

I'm trying not to play the obvious "Turn him Heel" Card, yet.
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Old 08-27-2006, 05:41 AM   #73
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Bashing Cena will be cool for as long as he sucks. They should move him to ECW, shit + shit = a controlled sitution.
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Old 08-27-2006, 10:54 AM   #74
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The only guy he really gets any kind of positive reaction against is Edge.
That certainly wasn't true at SS. The crowd were cheering for Edge.

I read someone say that Cena wasn't like Hogan, but the big question on that is, when's the last time that Cena was pinned clean? I can't remember, I'm sure one of you stat sharks know.

The WWE love the current situation with Cena. 'The most controversial star in WWE history' and all that BS. They desperately see him as the next Austin in the WWE, and the next Rock in the movies. The problem is, he has little charisma, and can't act for shit (ref: The Marine trailer/WM21 courtroom promo).

Perhaps it's the writers fault, perhaps he has some sort of creative control, I don't know. All I do know is, this ggod-guy wigger routine sucks. Thinking about it, he's not even a wigger anymore. When's the last time he said 'homie'? Over to you stat sharks.
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Old 08-27-2006, 10:57 AM   #75
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I can't cheer a guy who has one more move than Pikachu. If the masses can, then I'm screwed because I'll have this drek on my tv every week.
And I don't care how many times he has had which title, who he's main evented with, or how long he has been wrestling. The guy has a lot to learn. Just say he stubbed his toe and send him back to OVW. Get him off my tv until his move set is a little more varied.
You may have noticed that most main eventers only have like 4 or 5 moves. Do you also hate Rocky? Austin? Hoga...Okay, bad example. Even Kurt FREAKING Angle uses fewer moves these days. And he was a wrestling machine.

This is the style you wrestle with at the top.
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Old 08-27-2006, 11:00 AM   #76
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Okay, I have come to the realization that it all lies on the writers. If they weren't a bunch of middle-aged child-like morons from Hollywood who write for Spongebob Squarepants and actually KNEW the WRESTLING not Sports Entertainment... WRESTLING product, they would write and produce quality programming. How fucking hard is that?! :foc:
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Wait.

Cena bashing isn't cool anymore???

*FREAKS OUT*

I better log on to WWE Shopzone and buy every single Cena merchandise that they have for sale!
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His promos are bland and inconsequential. He builds up his sentences for a big punch line, and then delivers a ridiculous statement (calling Chris Jericho "cheap"? wtf?) or a fucking poop joke.

He gave JBL cow intestines because he "had no guts." That shit belongs on Nickelodeon or the WB, not a wrestling show, and not coming from the guy who's supposed to be the big face bad-ass of the WWE.


Besides his bland promos, Cena's in ring skills are severely lacking. Shoulder block, clothesline, 180 backdrop to the front, FNS, FU, STFU, tap out. That's his match. Every time. Throw in a few reversals, maybe a screwjob involving brass knuckles, and you've got a slightly varied type of a John Cena match. That may be fun for little kids, who are used to seeing unoriginal trash and like knowing what's about to happen, but for fans of professional wrestling in the current age, this is nothing more than Hulk Hogan's big boot/leg drop combo.


And why the fuck does he have to spazz out like a little kid on pixie sticks when he comes out to the ring. I guess his music is getting him "pumped," but seriously, it's overkill.


Cena bashing isn't cool anymore?

That's not cool.
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Who cares if it's popular?

HE sucks. Deal with it.
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Alright, as opposed to replying to each little comment, I will simply sum my thoughts up...

I have been a Cena fan since he first dropped the green tights and started the rap gimmick. I hate rap. I was just a fan of the gimmick and the way he pulled it off. I am FAR from as big of a Cena fan right now as I was back then. Now, I just don't dislike him because I just don't see a reason too. Yeah, he's not a very good wrestler, yes his gimmick has become stale, but the guy, not the character just seems too down to earth and normal for me to really dislike. He just kinda gives off that aura of a regular wrestling fan who became a big star. That has an appeal to me. It isn't his gimmick or anything but I kinda see that side to him, added with the fact that he doesn't seem to have let the huge overpush go to his head, and because of that, I'm a John Cena fan.

That being said... I picture John Cena sitting in a wheelchair cutting a rap promo on Brock Lesnar or his promos on 'Taker in the graveyard and it just seems so obvious how to fix the Cena problem. You don't need to turn him heel. You just take him off TV for a while, let those Cena haters forget about him for a bit and just have him cut those in studio or "on location" promos that he did back then. Every couple weeks or so, he makes a live appearance, gets a big pop, and all is right with the world.
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