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Old 09-29-2006, 10:28 PM   #41
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Old 09-29-2006, 10:29 PM   #42
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Vince doesnt want to destroy TNA or other promotions. Supposedly his philosophy is help yourself but dont hurt the other guy, which I believe he means.
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Old 09-29-2006, 10:47 PM   #43
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Vince doesnt want to destroy TNA or other promotions. Supposedly his philosophy is help yourself but dont hurt the other guy, which I believe he means.
Which has been so eloquently illustrated thus far.
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Old 09-29-2006, 10:49 PM   #44
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Didn't Vince buy out all the name drawing wrestlers from all the different territories, and basically kill them in the process?
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Old 09-29-2006, 10:50 PM   #45
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Old 09-29-2006, 10:54 PM   #46
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That was him helping himself.
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Didn't Vince buy out all the name drawing wrestlers from all the different territories, and basically kill them in the process?
Didn't he more recently start snatching up anyone he could, sign them to contracts with long no compete clauses, and trademark the fuck out of everything except "WWF?"
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Again, just helping himself. McMahon needs a lot of trademarks and a lot of wrestlers to not use.
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Old 09-29-2006, 11:04 PM   #49
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And IS IT NOT TRUE that Vince is ALSO a VAMPIRE?
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There is seriously enough talent out there to start building up a legitimate alternative to the WWE and TNA.

Matt Morgan joins John Cena, Batista, Randy Orton and Chris Masters as men Jim Cornette predicted would be draws one day. Colt Cabana is one of the most entertaining men in the business. Jack Evans can pull out some amazing shit. Bryan Danielson is not yet under contract to any major promotion. Chris Kanyon may not be an icon, but he is a veteran and seems to be cooking up a storm. With Kurt Angle adding credibility to the independant scene, guys like Brock Lesnar may be tempted to return, if just for the attention and to use it as a springboard. PJ Polaco is back to the indies, Ron Killings and Monty Brown may soon join him (providing being in the same camp as Kurt Angle hasn't convinced them to stay with TNA). Chris Jericho could even get involved in WSX or something (the guy strikes me as someone MTV would like as a personality on their broadcasting).

It's great that the WWE isn't the end-all these days.
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Old 09-29-2006, 11:06 PM   #51
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And IS IT NOT TRUE that Vince is ALSO a VAMPIRE?
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Old 09-29-2006, 11:17 PM   #52
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That stuff is to help himself. He learned from the Monday Night War era that you cant do ethical business and go by word with people who dont. Its important for him to secure whats his and make sure nobody makes money off whats hes built. Why not trademark things you made? You dont want someone else cashing in off it. Its not like he wants to move Smackdown back to thursdays to destroy the upcoming TNA.
I wouldnt be suprised if the TNA/WWE coexistence ended up being respectful. It would depend on what route TNA decides to go
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Old 09-29-2006, 11:21 PM   #53
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Except he's trademarked items not made by him or WWE.

And it still hurts other businesses, which is the opposite of your claims regarding his ethos.
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Matt Morgan and Masters are draws? In what reality? Good old JC couldn't sell out a flea market, EX TNAers aren't goign to make a huge splash.

Let's face it this is hardly a revolution or a dramatic event.
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Matt Morgan and Masters are draws? In what reality? Good old JC couldn't sell out a flea market, EX TNAers aren't goign to make a huge splash.

Let's face it this is hardly a revolution or a dramatic event.
They may be some day. Masters is learning at an extremely fast rate, and Morgan is a fantastic talker. For a guy his size he's really good, too. Big Show is kind of a draw, thus there's not many reasons Morgan can't be (in the very distant future, not now, don't twist what I'm saying).
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure they're already advertising the time and date. I'm not saying it will be a definite success, but I'm almost positive it's going to "get off the ground". How far is the question.

And where the fuck have I said it's going to be big competition? Fucking smart-ass idiots are actually worse than the people they "imitate". All I've said is that this is a positive step for the wrestling industry. If you all want to see McMahon perform fellatio on himself during the timeslot where a wrestling show used to be, that's fine, but for all those craving a direction for the industry...here it is.

"It's too small, "They've got no chance", "Vince will destroy them (even though he is yet to destroy TNA, who just got Kurt fucking Angle)," etc. Shut the fuck up and SUPPORT IT! If you don't want to, fine...but fuck off. Anyone angry with the WWE product can find solace in the fact that networks are at least interested in adopting alternative wrestling programming.

And yes, there were rumours of this promotion getting started up about a year ago. Sometimes things don't happen overnight. They've actually filmed the special they will be airing, they actually seem to have the support of the NWA. It's going places, and WSX looks to be too. They may not, but at this stage I'd say it is likely.
Sure, sometimes things don't happen overnight, but sometimes they don't happen at all, which is really what happened the last time there. I'm sorry, but anyone following the North American pro wrestling promotion scene over the last five years would have to be a fool to cream themselves over talk of yet another random indy fed getting a TV deal, without seeing anything first.
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Matt Morgan and Masters are draws? In what reality? Good old JC couldn't sell out a flea market, EX TNAers aren't goign to make a huge splash.

Let's face it this is hardly a revolution or a dramatic event.
You realise you're responding to someone who's chock full of shit, right?
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Sure, sometimes things don't happen overnight, but sometimes they don't happen at all, which is really what happened the last time there. I'm sorry, but anyone following the North American pro wrestling promotion scene over the last five years would have to be a fool to cream themselves over talk of yet another random indy fed getting a TV deal, without seeing anything first.
Especially when we've been promised this great revival for years.
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There is seriously enough talent out there to start building up a legitimate alternative to the WWE and TNA.

Matt Morgan joins John Cena, Batista, Randy Orton and Chris Masters as men Jim Cornette predicted would be draws one day. Colt Cabana is one of the most entertaining men in the business. Jack Evans can pull out some amazing shit. Bryan Danielson is not yet under contract to any major promotion. Chris Kanyon may not be an icon, but he is a veteran and seems to be cooking up a storm. With Kurt Angle adding credibility to the independant scene, guys like Brock Lesnar may be tempted to return, if just for the attention and to use it as a springboard. PJ Polaco is back to the indies, Ron Killings and Monty Brown may soon join him (providing being in the same camp as Kurt Angle hasn't convinced them to stay with TNA). Chris Jericho could even get involved in WSX or something (the guy strikes me as someone MTV would like as a personality on their broadcasting).

It's great that the WWE isn't the end-all these days.


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Of course, I just felt like using a somewhat obscure Hogan quote.
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Of course, I just felt like using a somewhat obscure Hogan quote.
Just making sure. I mean, this guy, besides this thread, has recently out and out fellated the Miz. I hope to GOD nobody's taking him seriously.
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Sure, sometimes things don't happen overnight, but sometimes they don't happen at all, which is really what happened the last time there. I'm sorry, but anyone following the North American pro wrestling promotion scene over the last five years would have to be a fool to cream themselves over talk of yet another random indy fed getting a TV deal, without seeing anything first.
Nothing has been seen, but wrestling fans are craving an alternative. The TV deal is pretty much done. They've taped the show, they've picked a time and place to air it. I'm not saying it will definately take off, I'm just saying it's there.

It's so fucking stupid to cry over the WWE's quality, and then when alternatives star popping up to cry that they're not good enough. You need to give things support if they're going to get better.
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I haven't fellated The Miz. He fellated me. I responded in kind by saying nice things about him. And it's painfully obvious the guy has talent.
Painfully obvious? There you go with that whole "full of shit" thing again.
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Old 09-30-2006, 11:41 PM   #69
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Painfully obvious? There you go with that whole "full of shit" thing again.
I expected a little better from you, KK. You're one of the few guys that I think gives Cena a chance. Miz is much the same way. His obnoxious personality gets in the way of people seeing he's at least decent in the ring. Considering the guy has been wrestling for what...two years, max, that's not bad at all.

I thought you'd be one of the few to look past his "Hoorah" Poochy shit.
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Old 09-30-2006, 11:42 PM   #70
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Nothing has been seen, but wrestling fans are craving an alternative. The TV deal is pretty much done. They've taped the show, they've picked a time and place to air it. I'm not saying it will definately take off, I'm just saying it's there.

It's so fucking stupid to cry over the WWE's quality, and then when alternatives star popping up to cry that they're not good enough. You need to give things support if they're going to get better.
The TV deal was "pretty much done" before, too. Same with taped shows. Hey, has that MTV thing aired yet?

I don't think Pepsi Man's complaining about it not being good enough. In fact, if you were to judge him on what he said, instead of making up some fantasy argument, he was talking about not putting the cart before the horse, rather than shitting on this before it got started. Really, what exactly is so horrible about saying we shouldn't jump the gun, when past experience should teach us this probably won't be the holy grail people are making it out to be? And why the fuck do you have to chicken little the entire argument?
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Old 09-30-2006, 11:51 PM   #71
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I expected a little better from you, KK. You're one of the few guys that I think gives Cena a chance. Miz is much the same way. His obnoxious personality gets in the way of people seeing he's at least decent in the ring. Considering the guy has been wrestling for what...two years, max, that's not bad at all.

I thought you'd be one of the few to look past his "Hoorah" Poochy shit.
I gave him a chance. I then changed the channel.

Don't condescend me when you gave your little "fuck you, you're all sheep for not liking the guy I like" speech. Don't assume that disliking someone precludes any fair criticism. In fact, the fact that I have given Cena, Batista, etc. a fair shake should tell you the opposite.

It seems very convenient that you assume that I'd give Cena a fair shake, but if I disagree with you, then I didn't give Miz one. I can't think of one reason why that would be the most logical conclusion that you could come up with. Myself, I'd think "Well, this guy's been rather even-minded in the past...Maybe he really just doesn't find any potential in him." But maybe that's just me.

Hell, I'm still on Orton's side, after all this time, after all the backstage heat, after all the complaints about rest holds and stuttering. I see potential in him, and I still think he's salvagable, no matter how much smarks hate him. I appreciate Scotty Too Hotty, for fuck's sake. Perhaps the lamest character in WWE today, and I can still appreciate him.

And I don't appreciate Miz.

What does that tell you?

Because it shouldn't tell you what you seem to be getting out of it.
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The TV deal was "pretty much done" before, too. Same with taped shows. Hey, has that MTV thing aired yet?

I don't think Pepsi Man's complaining about it not being good enough. In fact, if you were to judge him on what he said, instead of making up some fantasy argument, he was talking about not putting the cart before the horse, rather than shitting on this before it got started. Really, what exactly is so horrible about saying we shouldn't jump the gun, when past experience should teach us this probably won't be the holy grail people are making it out to be? And why the fuck do you have to chicken little the entire argument?
I wasn't talking about Pepsi Man, sorry if it came off that way. I was talking about LC and Lara Emily, who come in and exaggerate all this shit about "It's going to be huge!", completely overlooking the issues raised by people in this thread. This is just a little step, but it is a positive one. There are talent looking for places to go, what with the WWE being fucking shit at the moment, and Kurt Angle legitimising the independant scene.

I'm too lazy to check, but I know what frame of mind I was in when I posted this thread. I was happy that a little indy fed is getting the chance to get on TV. I may have come off as a little more excited than I actually was, but I was kind of threading it to the Kurt Angle in TNA thing, and trying to paint a portrait of a more desireable independant scene.

Adrenaline Unleashed have taped the show they are going to air at a specific time. The deal may fall through or some shit, but I am pretty sure it's going to air. It's not too often you see stations go "Hey, this weekend this is going to be on" and then they don't put it on. Especially when they've got nothing else going for them.

Last time it was a slightly different story. They were looking to get a TV deal. The station was considering it. WSX taped a pilot to pitch at MTV. They picked it up, and things are slowly starting to move along. They may not get anywhere, but it's sounding like they will (albeit slowly).

It's OK to not get your hopes up, I can understand where Pepsi Man and TL are coming from. It wouldn't surprise me if things didn't materialise. All I'm against are people calling this a failure before it even gets going.
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Old 10-01-2006, 12:03 AM   #73
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I gave him a chance. I then changed the channel.

Don't condescend me when you gave your little "fuck you, you're all sheep for not liking the guy I like" speech. Don't assume that disliking someone precludes any fair criticism. In fact, the fact that I have given Cena, Batista, etc. a fair shake should tell you the opposite.

It seems very convenient that you assume that I'd give Cena a fair shake, but if I disagree with you, then I didn't give Miz one. I can't think of one reason why that would be the most logical conclusion that you could come up with. Myself, I'd think "Well, this guy's been rather even-minded in the past...Maybe he really just doesn't find any potential in him." But maybe that's just me.

Hell, I'm still on Orton's side, after all this time, after all the backstage heat, after all the complaints about rest holds and stuttering. I see potential in him, and I still think he's salvagable, no matter how much smarks hate him. I appreciate Scotty Too Hotty, for fuck's sake. Perhaps the lamest character in WWE today, and I can still appreciate him.

And I don't appreciate Miz.

What does that tell you?

Because it shouldn't tell you what you seem to be getting out of it.
You're allowed to not like the guy. I despise John Cena. Nothing against the guy personally, I just can't stand him his on-screen persona. I just think there is a big difference between "I don't like this guy" and "This guys sucks and has no talent, fire him". I think Cena does have talent. We all saw it during his coloured trunks days. I've watched The Miz, and I have come up with the conclusion that he is quite good.

You're allowed to disagree with me, but the guy DOES have talent. This is going to make me sound like Vermaat, but the guy seems pretty innovative in the WWE. Innovation isn't really supported by the WWE, but at least the guy is working well within the confines management has put on talent. When he had Matt Hardy in the 619 position (sounds pretty gay), and sprung off his back, flew over the top rope and hung him up on the middle rope on the way down; I thought it was pretty awesome. The guy also countered a wristlock with a front-flip. The guy has shown athletic ability, and I'm going to give him more of a chance than a few matches with Tatanka.

I don't even really like the guy, it's just everyone says all this shit about him being useless. The guy is heading in the right direction.

You also thought the guy was a face, didn't you? That doesn't really convince me you've been watching him at all.
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Old 10-01-2006, 01:16 AM   #74
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The TV deal was "pretty much done" before, too. Same with taped shows. Hey, has that MTV thing aired yet?

I don't think Pepsi Man's complaining about it not being good enough. In fact, if you were to judge him on what he said, instead of making up some fantasy argument, he was talking about not putting the cart before the horse, rather than shitting on this before it got started. Really, what exactly is so horrible about saying we shouldn't jump the gun, when past experience should teach us this probably won't be the holy grail people are making it out to be? And why the fuck do you have to chicken little the entire argument?
It's okay. I make a decent heel, if that's what I'm to play in this thread.
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It's okay. I make a decent heel, if that's what I'm to play in this thread.
I actually agree with your position in this thread. I just didn't specify that I was talking with you, and not challenging you. Sorry about that.
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It's okay. I make a decent heel, if that's what I'm to play in this thread.
Yeah, I remember you as a heel. You weren't bad but should probably be a face.
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Or at least wait until the right time to turn heel again, just so the crowd is more into it.
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Yeah, I remember you as a heel. You weren't bad but should probably be a face.
Oh god. Could someone please put this goon out of our misery? Pretty please?
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I wasn't talking about Pepsi Man, sorry if it came off that way. I was talking about LC and Lara Emily, who come in and exaggerate all this shit about "It's going to be huge!", completely overlooking the issues raised by people in this thread. This is just a little step, but it is a positive one. There are talent looking for places to go, what with the WWE being fucking shit at the moment, and Kurt Angle legitimising the independant scene.

I'm too lazy to check, but I know what frame of mind I was in when I posted this thread. I was happy that a little indy fed is getting the chance to get on TV. I may have come off as a little more excited than I actually was, but I was kind of threading it to the Kurt Angle in TNA thing, and trying to paint a portrait of a more desireable independant scene.

Adrenaline Unleashed have taped the show they are going to air at a specific time. The deal may fall through or some shit, but I am pretty sure it's going to air. It's not too often you see stations go "Hey, this weekend this is going to be on" and then they don't put it on. Especially when they've got nothing else going for them.

Last time it was a slightly different story. They were looking to get a TV deal. The station was considering it. WSX taped a pilot to pitch at MTV. They picked it up, and things are slowly starting to move along. They may not get anywhere, but it's sounding like they will (albeit slowly).

It's OK to not get your hopes up, I can understand where Pepsi Man and TL are coming from. It wouldn't surprise me if things didn't materialise. All I'm against are people calling this a failure before it even gets going.
Even that was simply to counter your own gushing that this was HUGE news, when it really only is in the same Alienoidland where Venis and Basham are champs. Huge news isn't the promise of TV promotions on a small network, Huge news is the success of these promotions. And you're already, before Lara or Lucy (ha! I made him a girl! HA!) say anything, establishing how this is going to rock the wrestling world (Among other things, calling it huge, saying that Vince will have to decide whether to "bite the bullet" and start his own territory scene).

It's not hard to see their reaction is based solely, and I mean solely, on your overreaction. You're declaring Matt Morgan and Chris Masters draws, declaring that Angle has made a legitimate indie Scene (If you can even call TNA indie), etc., etc.
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