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Old 10-27-2006, 12:55 PM   #41
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Sorry, I meant I was after a statement from Sony that accompanies the tables, yes i've linked via the story and it goes to another page from the same site with no source linked.

I just want to see the line of text which states you MUST have all this on the Xbox.

Also buddy, why have you got to be so agressive all the dam time?
Sorry, didn't know arguing was "aggressive." My bad. I shall stop disputing logic, and start fellating everyone.

Back on topic, you over-senstive twat...

It says "required." The logic of your argument falls short two-fold:
  1. By any logical standards, the two should be interchangeable. Required means you must have it. Or you need to have it. The use of "must" is conceptually synonymous.
  2. As such, if you cannot use one, ignoring the use of one and then demanding a synonym which can be dismissed by the same standards of "logic" is pointless.
And so on. You can then continue to argue that "it doesn't say you absolutely positively need it or you will die and rot on the ninth circle of Hell!" But all you're really doing is trying to circumvent a definition by paring it down needlessly. And doing a poor job, since you're arguing a synonymous concept.
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Old 10-27-2006, 02:56 PM   #42
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The picture is not telling you what components are required to run the console. It is comparing the consoles to the PS3 and what additional components would be required to match the PS3. So to match the PS3 you would be required to buy a HDD and an HD-DVD drive for your 360 core bundle.
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Old 10-27-2006, 03:57 PM   #43
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The picture is not telling you what components are required to run the console. It is comparing the consoles to the PS3 and what additional components would be required to match the PS3. So to match the PS3 you would be required to buy a HDD and an HD-DVD drive for your 360 core bundle.
Show me where it says that. You know that's neither the actual intent, nor the implacation.
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Old 10-27-2006, 07:17 PM   #44
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Sorry, didn't know arguing was "aggressive." My bad. I shall stop disputing logic, and start fellating everyone.

Back on topic, you over-senstive twat...

It says "required." The logic of your argument falls short two-fold:
  1. By any logical standards, the two should be interchangeable. Required means you must have it. Or you need to have it. The use of "must" is conceptually synonymous.
  2. As such, if you cannot use one, ignoring the use of one and then demanding a synonym which can be dismissed by the same standards of "logic" is pointless.
And so on. You can then continue to argue that "it doesn't say you absolutely positively need it or you will die and rot on the ninth circle of Hell!" But all you're really doing is trying to circumvent a definition by paring it down needlessly. And doing a poor job, since you're arguing a synonymous concept.
I'm not being over sensitive, just seems like whenever you and I get into a debate which consists of more than 3 posts you go to name calling, whatever.

Not going to bother with this as it's going in circles, any consumer with half a brain making a purchase this big would investigate what they require. Sony have just priced up the equivalents
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Old 10-28-2006, 12:52 PM   #45
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Show me where it says that. You know that's neither the actual intent, nor the implacation.
Update: SCEA's own Dave Karraker, Senior Director of Corporate Communications, furnished the following response: "Through our comparison chart we are not implying that you must purchase the myriad of peripherals and add-ons that Microsoft offers to play your Xbox 360. You don't. However, if you want to attempt to come close to the performance of the $499 PlayStation 3 by using your Xbox 360, Core or Premium, you could only do that through expensive add-ons -- that is what our chart is demonstrating. Once you add it all up, it would cost you more than our $499 unit, and you would still not come close to everything we offer, ie: free multiplayer gaming, 50GB storage capacity of Blu-ray disc, Blu-ray disc player for games AND movies, processing power of the Cell Broadband Engine."
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Old 10-28-2006, 07:32 PM   #46
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Update: SCEA's own Dave Karraker, Senior Director of Corporate Communications, furnished the following response: "Through our comparison chart we are not implying that you must purchase the myriad of peripherals and add-ons that Microsoft offers to play your Xbox 360. You don't. However, if you want to attempt to come close to the performance of the $499 PlayStation 3 by using your Xbox 360, Core or Premium, you could only do that through expensive add-ons -- that is what our chart is demonstrating. Once you add it all up, it would cost you more than our $499 unit, and you would still not come close to everything we offer, ie: free multiplayer gaming, 50GB storage capacity of Blu-ray disc, Blu-ray disc player for games AND movies, processing power of the Cell Broadband Engine."
They still fudged numbers.
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Old 10-29-2006, 01:06 AM   #47
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I don't see where they did but if you want to believe so then feel free.
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Old 10-29-2006, 01:32 AM   #48
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They forgot to carry the 2 and move the decimal.
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Old 10-29-2006, 02:59 AM   #49
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Old 10-29-2006, 03:15 AM   #50
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Old 10-29-2006, 10:12 AM   #51
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Update: SCEA's own Dave Karraker, Senior Director of Corporate Communications, furnished the following response: "Through our comparison chart we are not implying that you must purchase the myriad of peripherals and add-ons that Microsoft offers to play your Xbox 360. You don't. However, if you want to attempt to come close to the performance of the $499 PlayStation 3 by using your Xbox 360, Core or Premium, you could only do that through expensive add-ons -- that is what our chart is demonstrating. Once you add it all up, it would cost you more than our $499 unit, and you would still not come close to everything we offer, ie: free multiplayer gaming, 50GB storage capacity of Blu-ray disc, Blu-ray disc player for games AND movies, processing power of the Cell Broadband Engine."
To think, they come up with this after threatened with the prospect of a lawsuit. Yes, I believe that's what they meant all along.
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Old 10-29-2006, 05:43 PM   #52
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It's what I assumed the second I read that chart. I didn't really think it was that hard of a concept to grasp to be honest.
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For some reason I hope the PS3 does really badly. Its crazy expensive, has been delayed numerous times, and has that stupid blu-ray thing. The 360 seems like a fine console on the limited time I've spent on it, while the Wii looks really innovative. Hopefully Sony loses a big market chunk.
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Old 10-30-2006, 01:42 PM   #54
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@ the Wii being innovative.
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