So, Samoa Joe vs Kurt Angle at Genesis.

[.44 Magdalene]

That's some pretty amazing short term booking there, champ. If it ends in a no contest, it lets them pick up the rivalry and go at it again later--if months down the line they get into it again and it results in another no contest, then you have some serious tension between these two men, especially if Joe's still undefeated at that point. Kurt may be great, but it'd be retarded to dump all of TNA's stock into him simultaneously--don't have him kill Joe's streak, just prove that he's on par with Joe for later. If either man gets a definitive win, then you have just blown the opportunity this match presented. If it ends in a no contest, though, then you have a great match with both men looking like gold. If this match has no definitive ending, then it's not over--it's just the start of something bigger. If Angle does win, he not only proves he's better than Joe, but ends Joe's streak and thus kills two potential highlights of TNA with one fell swoop--in a match that, again, doesn't need to happen in the first place. Just because you want immediate pay off doesn't mean Joe's sixteen months of build up needs to be blown on somebody who doesn't need it.

[.44 Magdalene]

Originally Posted by TL ^^ But if they played it the way I suggested and make it seem as though Angle is injured during the match they might get away with it, could also give Angle more time to rest.

Right. I think somebody mentioned earlier that they could play it off like one of Kurt's real injuries, possibly his neck, is thrown out by something in the match--maybe a particularly savage Muscle Buster. Then Kurt still looks strong, Joe maintains his streak, and the rivalry is still maintained for later when Kurt "feels better."

[Londoner]

Don't think anyone but me suggested it actually was looking to see if someone said that but didn't see anyone say it. It could work though, have them feud again when Joe's undefeated streak is ended by someone who's from TNA and not WWE.

[.44 Magdalene]

Yeah, it might have just been you that said it. Lol. I don't always look at who's posting.

[Tb1]

Angle def. Joe

I hate undefeated streaks

[Londoner]

Why do you hate undefeated streaks? If they're against useless jobbers I hate them but Joe's undefeated streak is one i've been impressed with.

[Tb1]

Well I like being suprised, in the match and in the finish. I feel like an undefeated streak takes that away, regardless of the positive impact it might have.

[Favre4Ever]

the problem with your "no contest finish" is that EVERYONE knows its going to happen. In fact, its almost something a WWE writer would think of. Its like the Edge vs. Matt Hardy ladder match, or any match where Kane has stipulations against him. And the Angle vs. Joe story can still continue and draw the same amount of attention if somebody wins it.

Making this match a draw would be a shortcut to continue the feud, and one of the most overused in the entire business.

[Londoner]

Well I like being suprised, in the match and in the finish. I feel like an undefeated streak takes that away, regardless of the positive impact it might have.


Well, don't you think the surprise of an undefeated streak is not knowing when it will end? The suspense builds up everytime the wrestler wins and the surprise is greater when it ends imo, it also helps to get someone else on the roster over. This only works if you don't over do undefeated streaks though.

[Tb1]

I actually never said a "No Contest" finish. I just hate knowing who's going to win.

[Tb1]

Originally Posted by TL Well I like being suprised, in the match and in the finish. I feel like an undefeated streak takes that away, regardless of the positive impact it might have. Well, don't you think the surprise of an undefeated streak is not knowing when it will end? The suspense builds up everytime the wrestler wins and the surprise is greater when it ends imo, it also helps to get someone else on the roster over. This only works if you don't over do undefeated streaks though.

I wouldn't mind a short undefeated streak. But once you get past oh, 6 months, I just lose intrest. And IMO an 18 month undefeated streak is far too long.

[Londoner]

Fair enough. I just think Joe's undefeated streak is unique and entertaining.

[Favre4Ever]

I think so too. But when you have a match with two guys like Angle and Joe, having neither of them win for the sake of keeping either gimmick alive seems like the easy way out to me.

[.44 Magdalene]

Then have Angle lose via the injuries, like TL said. Whether you like Joe's streak or not, having Angle end it the second he rolls in would be utterly retarded.

[Fox]

Originally Posted by hulkamania320 the problem with your "no contest finish" is that EVERYONE knows its going to happen. In fact, its almost something a WWE writer would think of. Its like the Edge vs. Matt Hardy ladder match, or any match where Kane has stipulations against him. And the Angle vs. Joe story can still continue and draw the same amount of attention if somebody wins it. Making this match a draw would be a shortcut to continue the feud, and one of the most overused in the entire business.

Really? Cause last time I checked, nobody had a clue how this Joe/Angle match is going to end.

And when's the last time you saw a draw-match that leaded to a big time feud? Hell, I can't remember the last PPV match I saw that ended in a draw that made both men look like stars. I don't think it's really happened in the last decade, which only makes the time limit draw ending for the Joe/Angle match that much more appealing. It's OLD SCHOOL, son.

[Fox]

Originally Posted by The Critic Then have Angle lose via the injuries, like TL said. Whether you like Joe's streak or not, having Angle end it the second he rolls in would be utterly retarded.

But then all of the promos and the reputation are for nill. They've been trying to remind fans that Kurt Angle is not a broken down human being, but an Olympic champion and a star in the prime of his career.

Then he gets into the ring, first match in TNA, and goes out with an injury? That makes Kurt Angle look like a pussy.


Here's the only way I think it could work:

-Joe and Angle go at it in the main event of Genesis. They have a sickening match with tons of huge spots, until finally Joe loses it and grabs a steel chair and cracks it off Angle's skull. He drops Kurt with a couple of Musclebusters on the chair, the match gets called a no contest, and walks out of Genesis as a big time heel. TNA fans may have a hard on for Samoa Joe, but if he became the man who killed Kurt Angle on his first night in TNA, he might get over as a huge heel.

-Send Joe into a feud with Sting over the NWA Championship, which he eventually wins.

-Kurt Angle returns to fight his way back toward an NWA Title shot, which he recieves at Bound For Glory, finally ending the title reign AND the undefeated streak of Samoa Joe.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Time limit draw, or Joe winning are the only ways to go.

Anything else makes Joe look weak... Especially to someone who's basically a WWE guy.

[Dorkchop]

I think the Yet-ay will make a run in.

[Londoner]

Originally Posted by hulkamania320 I think so too. But when you have a match with two guys like Angle and Joe, having neither of them win for the sake of keeping either gimmick alive seems like the easy way out to me.

Sometimes the easy way out is the best way....

[D Mac]

Originally Posted by Tb1 Angle def. Joe I hate undefeated streaks

Originally Posted by CanadianCrippla They will probably get Kurt over in TNA by having him defeat Joe.

Well looks like you two are the only ones that called it.

[D Mac]

Originally Posted by The Critic If Joe loses, I riot.

Riot Time!