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Old 11-01-2006, 11:48 PM   #41
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But shit, I don't wish people to get beat up for no reason either but Holly still did it, so fuck it, what goes around comes around. He still survived.
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Old 11-01-2006, 11:55 PM   #42
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I LOVED what Holly did on TE.
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Old 11-01-2006, 11:59 PM   #43
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Bob is a solid worker. He is rough with some of the kids, but honestly, I think a woodshed incident for the guys fresh out of OVW who think they're on the fast track to success isn't necessarily a bad thing. Who knows, maybe it'd prevent some of these out of control ego problems (see Batista, Dave; Orton, Randy). I'll agree Matt and maybe Rene didn't deserve what they got, but it's part of the business, for better or worse. Moreso than some guy sitting behind a keyboard bitching about a Bob Holly stiffing and possibly hurting a kid.

God, I feel dirty now after defending Bob Holly. I need a shower.
I don't like the idea of him messing that kid up, either. But the thing is, I'm not a part of the business. All I do is sit behind a keyboard and bitch about how much I hate something yet still watch it.

I wouldn't wish that gash or MRSA on my worse enemy (and trust me, my step-mother had MRSA, it ain't fun.), It doesn't matter if it was because he shot your neighbor's dog or if he stiffed some wet behind the ears kid who didn't know any better.
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Old 11-02-2006, 12:05 AM   #44
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Well I am part of the business, and I can tell you that my first day of training four of my ribs were broken with in the first 20 minutes, I then continued for the next 8 hours of training, and came back the next week. And I didn't cry like a little punk that I'll leave un named.

Being beat down is a VERY good thing for young guys. Some people in pro-wrestling are going to go out of their way to hurt you, and you need to be prepared for that as early as possible. Being rough with trainees will make sure that they are tough enough to cut it in the business. It a VERY good learning experience. I think it's necessary, and a VERY good thing.
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Old 11-02-2006, 12:09 AM   #45
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I was referring to TL, who was waving his finger about Bob.

I guess I wasn't as far off on my thinking of it as I thought.
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Old 11-02-2006, 12:17 AM   #46
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For the people saying he got what he deserved, tell me what Bret did. Tell me what Pillman and Owen did. Tell me what Eddie did.

Let's not pretend there's any comuppance out of this. People get hurt. People die. It's senseless, but it's not fate. You can't believe that one guy got what he deserved unless you also believe these other people must've as well.

While I don't like Holly, I'll say this: Unless you've been going around saying "Boy, that Eddie Guerrero must've had it coming," don't go on that Bob got what he deserved.

In other words, everyone but Rectal Pertruder shut the fuck up.
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Old 11-02-2006, 12:31 AM   #47
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For the people saying he got what he deserved, tell me what Bret did. Tell me what Pillman and Owen did. Tell me what Eddie did.

Let's not pretend there's any comuppance out of this. People get hurt. People die. It's senseless, but it's not fate. You can't believe that one guy got what he deserved unless you also believe these other people must've as well.

While I don't like Holly, I'll say this: Unless you've been going around saying "Boy, that Eddie Guerrero must've had it coming," don't go on that Bob got what he deserved.

In other words, everyone but Rectal Pertruder shut the fuck up.
Didn't Eddie and Pillman both kind of have something to do with their own demise, though?

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Old 11-02-2006, 12:33 AM   #48
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They did. And moreso than Holly, strangely enough.
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Well I am part of the business, and I can tell you that my first day of training four of my ribs were broken with in the first 20 minutes, I then continued for the next 8 hours of training, and came back the next week. And I didn't cry like a little punk that I'll leave un named.
There's a big difference between training and injuring yourself compared to someone getting beat up for no reason don't you think?
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Old 11-02-2006, 01:23 AM   #50
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For the people saying he got what he deserved, tell me what Bret did. Tell me what Pillman and Owen did. Tell me what Eddie did.

Let's not pretend there's any comuppance out of this. People get hurt. People die. It's senseless, but it's not fate. You can't believe that one guy got what he deserved unless you also believe these other people must've as well.

While I don't like Holly, I'll say this: Unless you've been going around saying "Boy, that Eddie Guerrero must've had it coming," don't go on that Bob got what he deserved.

In other words, everyone but Rectal Pertruder shut the fuck up.
What did Eddie do to anyone else that wasn't deserved? He did what he thought was best for himself and didn't intentionally set out on beating the shit out of someone.
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Old 11-02-2006, 01:23 AM   #51
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I didn't injure myself, they beat me "for no reason." (Although I see the reason.)
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^ Ok fair enough, you didn't make that clear. Though I wouldn't take too kindly to someone who sets out deliberatey trying to injure my ribs, not my thing personally!
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I respect them for it. They respect me for being a man about. Thats how the business works. Did they get receipts? Of course, but they were right in doing what they did. Pain builds character, not to mention you need to separate the weak from the warriors as quickly as possible. These things are VERY common in pro-wrestling, singling out Hardcore Holly just because he did it on national television is retarded. Every wrestler you love has probably worn out some green at some point. And you'll never hear about it. BECAUSE IT'S NO BIG THING. The kind of people who can't take physical punishment don't have any business in pro-wrestling any way.
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For the people saying he got what he deserved, tell me what Bret did. Tell me what Pillman and Owen did. Tell me what Eddie did.

Let's not pretend there's any comuppance out of this. People get hurt. People die. It's senseless, but it's not fate. You can't believe that one guy got what he deserved unless you also believe these other people must've as well..
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I respect them for it. They respect me for being a man about. Thats how the business works. Did they get receipts? Of course, but they were right in doing what they did. Pain builds character, not to mention you need to separate the weak from the warriors as quickly as possible. These things are VERY common in pro-wrestling, singling out Hardcore Holly just because he did it on national television is retarded. Every wrestler you love has probably worn out some green at some point. And you'll never hear about it. BECAUSE IT'S NO BIG THING. The kind of people who can't take physical punishment don't have any business in pro-wrestling any way.

Well, I just don't think it was a smart thing for Holly to do on national tv, you know? Considering it happened to no one else why single out one kid?
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I don't remember the situation too clearly but it seemed like Matt was the one with the most (if not the only one) with potential. Taking him to the wood shed was more important than taking EVERYONE to the woodshed. Especially since most wouldn't be getting into the business anyway. And if you notice the Holly beat down really lit a fire under his ass. It made him excel, like he had something to prove.

On a side note the whole time I watched the TEs I was screaming at my TV for them to school the whole lot of them, so naturally when Holly gave those potatoes to Matt I was marking out hard. That is EXACTLY what you do green kids. Make sure they know quick that just because it's fake doesn't mean it all fun and games.
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And doing it on TV was very important to me. Make the entire national audience know that is what you go through to be a wrestler.
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TBH man I never saw that episode of TE, nor did I see the rest of the series. I just heard what happened and found it a bit unprofessional.(especially when you consider they never done that shit on the rest of the TE's)
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TBH man I never saw that episode of TE, nor did I see the rest of the series. I just heard what happened and found it a bit unprofessional.(especially when you consider they never done that shit on the rest of the TE's)
Damn, you're sure arguing strongly about something you just "heard about".
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What did Eddie do to anyone else that wasn't deserved?
That was kind of the point. Well, part of it, anyway. The point was to contrast that Eddie, who is cannonised as a saint in the IWC, got a more severe punishment than the evil doctor Holly. If Holly got what he deserved, and Eddie got something worse, then reasonably, Eddie must have done something REALLY bad.

Or maybe, Holly didn't get what he deserved, and people should shut the fuck up. I think you missed that part.
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^ Ok fair enough, you didn't make that clear. Though I wouldn't take too kindly to someone who sets out deliberatey trying to injure my ribs, not my thing personally!
Then don't go into pro wrestling.

It's gaytarded, but it's part of the business. They think it's the only way to "buildcharacter" and "initiate" you (I know many martial artists who would disagree, and they aren't even doing a fake sport in faggy tights), and you're not going to be the one to change it.
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I never saw the incident, either, to be honest.

I just figured, upon hearing it, that this was something being taken completely out of proportion. The whole point of Tough Enough was to, besides find some schmuck to work in the WWE, show the fans what it takes to actually be a professional wrestler. Not all of it is necessarily a pretty sight to see. You can't fault Bob Holly for something Stu Hart more or less did to everyone who stepped foot into the Dungeon (of course, Stu simply stretched the ever loving fuck of them, but it's the same premise.).
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