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Old 12-04-2006, 08:31 PM   #41
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But yeah, I what I don't get is how December to Dismember showed that Heyman can't get over the past? Is it because the show was booked under WWE standards, yet wasn't good? Is Vince taking Heyman's inability to book amazing WWE-style shows as a sign he is still longing for the old ways? It can't be that, because the WWE is putting on shit WWE-style shows.

If last night was booked to Heyman's wishes, I could imagine it being much different, and to be honest, better.
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Old 12-04-2006, 08:35 PM   #42
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Yeah they wouldn't let him do anything now though.
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Old 12-04-2006, 08:43 PM   #43
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lol The funniest part is, everything is working out in TNA's favour due to WWE's plain stupidity.
I've said it for a long time now, if TNA succeeds, it'll be more a credit to WWE's failures than anything else.
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Old 12-04-2006, 09:45 PM   #44
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Well I hope Heyman goes to TNA. It'd be interesting because others would be sure to follow.
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Old 12-04-2006, 09:47 PM   #45
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How long is left on RVD and Sabu's contracts? Think about it. Paul Heyman's gone. They've been officially blacklisted by the company they're working for. They're on the C-show. I don't see why they wouldnt want to head to TNA.
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Old 12-04-2006, 09:47 PM   #46
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This fucking disgusts me. Seriously.
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How long is left on RVD and Sabu's contracts? Think about it. Paul Heyman's gone. They've been officially blacklisted by the company they're working for. They're on the C-show. I don't see why they wouldnt want to head to TNA.
One thing that came from D2D that we can all agree on is that Sabu is past it.

Please no Sabu in TNA.

RVD yes please, Sabu
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How long is left on RVD and Sabu's contracts? Think about it. Paul Heyman's gone. They've been officially blacklisted by the company they're working for. They're on the C-show. I don't see why they wouldnt want to head to TNA.
RVD's contract is up in about 6 months.
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RVD's contract is up in about 6 months.

Damn, WWE still have time to fuck up his career even more then.
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Old 12-04-2006, 11:28 PM   #50
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Sabu signed a one-year deal, to my recollection, around April time. I highly doubt he would re-sign for another run.

Heyman also signed a one-year deal (again, as far as I can recall) which was an extention of his last contract. That would have been around February or March??

Also, why is Vince blaming Heyman for the terrible PPV last night? I thought Heyman had little or no creative input.
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Old 12-04-2006, 11:54 PM   #51
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I've said it for a long time now, if TNA succeeds, it'll be more a credit to WWE's failures than anything else.

Yeah. It definitely doesn't have anything to do with the hungry, young, talented wrestlers filling up their roster.
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Old 12-04-2006, 11:56 PM   #52
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This is an interesting situation and it can only mean extreme goods or extreme bads for the wrestling industry as a whole.

On the extremely bad side, we could have to wait for Heyman to sit out his WWE contract and his no-compete clause, which means we won't get to see any of his product for quite some time, and that TNA won't be able to hire him.

On the good side, it could mean that TNA could be about to attain one of the best bookers/creative minds in the wrestling business today.

Heyman, booking the TNA roster? There's so much gold there. Russo just doesn't know where to look for it.
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Old 12-05-2006, 12:02 AM   #53
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I'm still not convinced this Heyman departure isn't a work. You don't cite "falling ratings" and "disgruntled talent" unless it's a storyline firing. Especially considering that all creative decisions need approval from Vince and Stephanie before getting the green light, in which case they'd be admitting their own failings if this wasn't all kayfabe. Also, the wording of the original WWE.com statement is suspect.

If it is legit, however, then Heyman should be free from his contract within 6 months even if he sits it out. Could be the best for all concerned. I'd like to see him find a new backer (Ted Turner??) and start a new company of his own. Or maybe he'll get involved in Tod Gordon's upcoming Xtreme Fight Club promotion?
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Old 12-05-2006, 12:28 AM   #54
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This is another dark day in wrestling. Period. No bullshit, not comments from me. Just a dark day
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Old 12-05-2006, 12:32 AM   #55
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How is it a dark day? A talented booker gets away from a company that's not letting him book anything.
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Old 12-05-2006, 12:33 AM   #56
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It will be a dark day if Heyman doesn't get the oppertunity go actually book somewhere.
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It just sucks thats all. I'm a HUGE fan of Heyman.
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So,who is gonna be the on air authority figure? Shane,Steph,Bischoff?
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So,who is gonna be the on air authority figure? Shane,Steph,Bischoff?
Todd Gordon would be a pretty good replacement, for historical purposes.
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Won't happen though, obviously, because even a lot of old ECW fans post-1997 wouldn't even know who he is.
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Old 12-05-2006, 01:50 AM   #62
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The Miz will be the new host of ECW.

(And if this happens... I'm sorry, I'm very very very sorry.)
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Old 12-05-2006, 02:52 AM   #63
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If this is true this is awesome.

Paul Heyman in TNA.
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Old 12-05-2006, 02:54 AM   #64
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Also, I don't watch too much ROH, so I can't say if Heyman would be better there, but soon as TNA looks to be the biggest contender so far, I'd want Heyman to go there.
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Old 12-05-2006, 02:55 AM   #65
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One more thing, this whole thing is probably Heymans idea (worked shoot).
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Extremists divided on Heyman’s dismissal
By Jen Hunt
December 4, 2006


Initial reactions by the ECW Extremists to today's announcement of Paul Heyman's dismissal seem split down tenure lines. The ECW Originals appear upset and in a state of shock, whereas the new breeds seem to have a more optimistic outlook.

"I'm shocked," said Tommy Dreamer. "I don't know what's going on right now."

Dreamer boasts the longest tenure with ECW, and has known Heyman for more than ten years. Fellow ECW Original, Stevie Richards was equally shocked by the announcement.

"I have no idea what to say, except whatever Paul decides to do eventually, I wish him the best of luck in future endeavors," said Richards.

While many of the ECW Originals were too shocked by Heyman's dismissal to react to the situation yet, Rob Van Dam had some very strong words. While the two have not always gotten along over the years, RVD clearly doesn't like the idea of Heyman not being a part of the brand.


"I think that without Paul fighting for a better direction to take ECW... I fear that it's in for some horrible changes," said Van Dam.



It seems the Originals are wrestling with the idea of what an ECW without Heyman will mean. However, for those who have only been with Heyman and the brand since debuting on Sci Fi in June of this year, the future is looking bright.

"To quote a famous man, Hulkamania dies when Hogan dies, 'Woo' dies when Ric Flair dies, but when that man [Heyman] is gone and while he's gone, ECW will live on," said relative newcomer Elijah Burke.

"During a hurricane, some trees fall, others remain standing," explained Matt Striker. "During a hurricane, some houses fall, others remain standing. But after a hurricane at least you can still go fishing."

In an industry where nothing seems to stay the same, one ECW Original summed up what you can always count on.

"Well it just goes to show you, nothing ever surprises you in the world of sports-entertainment," said Little Guido.
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Yeah, I can definately see this being an angle. I mean, NeanderCarl pointed it out pretty well, the WWE admitted their failings. They could have just said "Paul Heyman and the WWE have parted ways", or not even mention it like the other times they have taken Heyman off the booking team.

The comments by the wrestlers are also perfectly split. The New Breed is pro-Heyman leaving (which is not what you'd expect), and the Originals are against it. They aren't so much comments as positionings.

I can definately see Heyman leading the Originals against the New Breed. What would be sweet is seeing them both fight over who gets CM Punk.
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Old 12-05-2006, 03:42 AM   #68
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This COULD be a work (ie. a Heyman and The ECW Originals vs The New ECW Breed feud), but if it's all shoot, then RVD is going to be in more hot water for his remarks. Kudos to the guy, he ALWAYS speaks his true feelings in interviews, fuck the consequences.
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"I have no idea what to say, except whatever Paul decides to do eventually, I wish him the best of luck in future endeavors," said Richards.
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Old 12-05-2006, 04:47 AM   #71
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I really want this to be a shoot, so badly!

For a few reasons:

1. The Paul Heyman shoot interview would be the longest in the history of shoot interviews, the guy has been a major player in all 3 companies, and he's never not been employee'd by one of them so we've never heard the full truth

2. Him booking TNA would get rid of Russo

If Dixie Carter paid for Angle's 90 day no compete, they should do the same with Heyman's and buy him out now, PLEASE!
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The Paul Heyman shoot interview would be the longest in the history of shoot interviews, the guy has been a major player in all 3 companies, and he's never not been employee'd by one of them so we've never heard the full truth
I hadn't even thought about that. A Paul Heyman shoot would be amazing. Only thing is, yes he has always worked for a Big Three promotion, but ECW was his own company, and if he'd really wanted to do a shoot interview during that period, he could have done. Of course, we're talking five years ago, and a lot of shit has gone down since then.
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Old 12-05-2006, 05:49 AM   #73
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Actually, we're talking SIX years ago, next month.

Man, has it been that long???
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This could be a work because:

Vince and Paul may have had an emergency meeting today to discuss the failings of the ECW PPV, and decided to take the company in a new direction, beginning with this announcement.

Supporting factors: The wording of the announcement, the response from the "Extremists", and did you SEE the PPV??
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This could be a shoot because:

Vince probably IS blinkered enough to place the blame on Heyman, who isn't involved in a creative capacity other than advisor/suggestions man, rather than those who actually book the shows (Vince himself and Steph, heading the team).

Supporting factors: Heyman and Vince have always had a volatile working relationship. Paul probably does push hard for elements of the original ECW whereas Vince wants HIS version to be WWE-style.
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Whichever way you look at it, it's at least mixing things up a bit.

If it's real, the uber-talented Paul Heyman is back on the market for a job in the wrestling business.

If it's fake, at least ECW are trying to address the problems with the brand by churning things up a bit.
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Yeah. It definitely doesn't have anything to do with the hungry, young, talented wrestlers filling up their roster.
Oh God yes. Sabu, Kevin Nash, The James', Jarrett, Kurt Angle, Sting...All that new, young talent. Not to mention the Russo booking, which is taking them to the next level...Ummmm...They are gathering ratings that compete with WWE, right? No? Well, at least people know who these young, ungry talents are...No? Welll, at least they're getting meaningful pushes...No? Well, at least they're new, and it's not like most of them have been around for the entirety of TNA, working and wasting away in virtual obscurity...What? Oh, right.

I'm sorry, Fox. I'd like to see things your way. However, I lack the brain damage necessary. TNA's had young, hungry talent for ages, has it made them successful? No. What was their big, ratings success? The return of Sting (Which was booked so well the ratings went down the next week and never came back). Their prime time special? Not particularly well-rated, especially given their own expectations. And then, of course, you go and put over what Heyman can do for them...Which underscores my point.
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Old 12-05-2006, 09:04 AM   #77
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Whichever way you look at it, it's at least mixing things up a bit.

If it's real, the uber-talented Paul Heyman is back on the market for a job in the wrestling business.

If it's fake, at least ECW are trying to address the problems with the brand by churning things up a bit.
...Unless they're only paying lip service to it.

Sorry, I'm not quite ready to believe that words will equal action, even if it is a work. Or even if it's a shoot. OR at all.
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Old 12-05-2006, 10:08 AM   #78
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Wait didn't they say he just sent him home? Not fired him?
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"During a hurricane, some trees fall, others remain standing," explained Matt Striker. "During a hurricane, some houses fall, others remain standing. But after a hurricane at least you can still go fishing."

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