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Old 12-18-2006, 11:24 PM   #41
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WWE needs to do something with Punk, and they need to do it now. If I had it my way I would send him to SmackDown and put him in a program with Benoit for the US Title that would last from Royal Rumble until WrestleMania. Or I would send him to RAW, and put him in some high profile fueds. But they absolutely need to do SOMETHING because while he is retaining his heat on ECW, it's only a matter of time before it becomes stale.
That's what I'd do, too. CM Punk has stated in an interview (with IGN, I believe) that his dream match is Chris Benoit & CM Punk vs. William Regal & Finlay. Where are three of those men now? Moving Punk to SmackDown! would help the WWE out greatly. It provides them with another babyface, a solid worker for the mid-card, and it helps put Punk into perspective amongst WWE Superstars. Does it leave ECW looking weaker? Sure, but who gives a fuck, it sucks these days anyway.

And I am of the belief they are trying to kill Punk's heat. Not majorly, to the point where they can't build him up again, but to just keep him down until they think he's been in the WWE long enough to justify making money off him. As KoOS said, the excessive punching finish would be called bullshit in the WWE. Even for the new ECW, that is a stupid fucking way to end the match. Why not have Holly use a steel chair, or bring out his trash can lids and go windmill style on Punk?

I thought Triple H was taken out of context when he said Punk didn't know how to control a crowd, and that he was being sarcastic. I guess I was wrong, hence the post-Survivor Series bitterness towards Punk by the creative team.
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Old 01-09-2007, 10:35 PM   #42
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I stand by my statement after tonight.
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Old 01-09-2007, 10:35 PM   #43
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aka I'm beyond pissed, even moreso than after sitting through that Rosie/Trump shit last night.

Holly made Punk look as much as a jobber as Triple H did to RVD during a match they had a couple of years ago.

This whole feud has made Punk look pathetic.
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Old 01-09-2007, 10:50 PM   #45
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Pretty much, Punk was gonna lose at some point but that was horrible. I would have rather WWE used the typical feet on the ropes roll up, just so they made it look like Holly couldn't beat Punk clean..........but cmon it's Hardcore Holly, he's awesome, he's over, he's shit.
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What the fuck? I'm glad that I've decided to only catch ECW on Hardcore Hangover, because they only reason I tuned in was for Punk. I don't need to see him jobbing to Holly CLEAN. Retarded.
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It's retarded. But they're not TRYING to kill his heat, they just are because they don't know any better as to what they're doing.
Vince has regressed. He knows as well as anyone what works now, and what used to work. And he's made a point of making his priorities shift back to the cheesy, unskilled, bull fights of the 80s, and has given up on the CM Punk types. Thats why Great Khali, Umaga, Lashley and whoever are pushed...while RVD, CM Punk and others flounder in the midcard.
Its probably because HHH doesn't like "little punks" like CM or Jericho. Whatever, they're funeral.
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Of all the people to put over C.M. Punk, why let it be Job Holly?
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Is it me or were a lot of Punk-sters saying that he should win the ECW title at Mania a month or so ago. Now he's dead, buried and paid his dues to Bobcore, lots are saying he's not ready.

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I (being a "Punk-ster") never wanted him with the ECW title at WM. That would be blowing the load way too soon. And I really don't mind him losing. But to go down clean to Holly at the beginning of the feud makes him look like a bitch. Especially after he couldn't lock on the Anaconda Vice a few weeks back. The man who's all about competition goes down to the barely-ever-was.
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It's retarded. But they're not TRYING to kill his heat, they just are because they don't know any better as to what they're doing.
Vince has regressed. He knows as well as anyone what works now, and what used to work. And he's made a point of making his priorities shift back to the cheesy, unskilled, bull fights of the 80s, and has given up on the CM Punk types. Thats why Great Khali, Umaga, Lashley and whoever are pushed...while RVD, CM Punk and others flounder in the midcard.
Its probably because HHH doesn't like "little punks" like CM or Jericho. Whatever, they're funeral.
JEsus Christ. Jericho was around the main event/upper midcard scene most of his time in WWE. He's actually liked backstage, too. RVD? RVD blew a monster push, a huge moment, and a championship reign because he had to get baked and then get caught in a car with drugs. Van Dam blew his chance, Jericho helped make Milli Vanilli look good (He enhanced the ME scene, perdiod). These are bad examples (Well, Van Dam would be a good example except for this "back to the old school of wrestling" complaint about recent events, since RVD was wasted like 5 years ago almost).
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Old 01-10-2007, 07:32 PM   #55
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Are any of you REALLY shocked that he lost?
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Old 01-10-2007, 10:35 PM   #56
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Shocked is not the right word. Disappointed. But that's a feeling that I generally associate with WWE.
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You know, it makes me laugh when people say "he's not ready yet" about guys who have been wrestling for years. RVD was the most over guy in the company in 2001 and the RIGHT time to put him over as the champion was No Mercy 2001. He had only been there for a few months, but he was white-hot. That they let it play out for so long lessened the impact when he finally won it, years later.

The RIGHT time to put C.M. Punk in as the champ, if that IS the eventual plan, would be by or at WrestleMania. So fucking what if he's new to the company? He's paid enough dues in the business (even if that isn't in WWE)not to be jobbed out to Job Holly. They need to strike while the iron is hot.
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What I'm saying is it doesn't matter where somebody has worked before, or even how long for, if they are super-over and the fans WANT to see it happen, then make it happen. It's good business in my view. Give the people want they want to see.

Fuck the boys in the back, 90% of them will never be satisfied with their position anyway, and there will be backstage animosity to a new guy put in the main event whether he's a rookie or a 10 year veteran. You can't please everyone, but you can try to please your audience.
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What I'm saying is it doesn't matter where somebody has worked before, or even how long for, if they are super-over and the fans WANT to see it happen, then make it happen. It's good business in my view. Give the people want they want to see.

Fuck the boys in the back, 90% of them will never be satisfied with their position anyway, and there will be backstage animosity to a new guy put in the main event whether he's a rookie or a 10 year veteran. You can't please everyone, but you can try to please your audience.
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What I'm saying is it doesn't matter where somebody has worked before, or even how long for, if they are super-over and the fans WANT to see it happen, then make it happen.
Worked well for Matt Hardy.

And Orton.

And Cena.

Well, actually, it did work for Cena, but only because WWE doesn't care that he was getting booed, or buyrates started to suffer.
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Old 01-11-2007, 09:19 PM   #68
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and coming soon to an online smark rant near you...CM Punk and Ken Kennedy
That's kind of loaded though. Unless CM Punk is Unified Champ on all four shows, he'll not get close to what the smarks expect. Kennedy? He'd better win the Rumble, hold all titles on Smackdown, and single handedly eliminate every man in the Royal Rumble...
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Old 01-11-2007, 09:27 PM   #69
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Basically, I'm saying that Punk could be pushed to the moon, and Smarks would insist they should have pushed him to Mars instead.
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Old 01-11-2007, 10:11 PM   #71
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Old 01-12-2007, 10:37 AM   #73
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Sorry, but it does miss the point. The point being, even if they use him well, and give him everything the Smarks normally say someone should have, he'll be underused. Because, like Kennedy, Burchill, RVD, Kurt Angle and many others in the past, he is the internet Golden Boy, who will deliver wrestling to salvation, and no ammount of attention from WWE will ever change the fact that one man cannot do that. Even Austin and Hogan really didn't.

It's more or less setting WWE up for a fall, which is tiresome in and of itself. They do a good enough job of fucking shit up without holding them to impossible standards. The IWC will never let well enough alone. Chris Jericho was so underused, despite being given more leeway on the mic than a lot of wrestlers in WWE, being a Unified Champ, and being in the ME scene a LOT. Many Kurt Angle fans jumped on the bandwagon when he left and said that Kurt was underused and Underappreciated. Yeah, the guy who had just been champ on Smackdown, had been sent to ECW to try and gain ratings, and has been treated by the WWF/E since his arrival as though he had a solid Gold DICK, was underused.

No matter how well it goes with Punk, he won't have been pushed far enough, hard enough, in the right way. He won't have gotten the titles soon enough, he didn't ME Mania soon enough, etc. The multiple threads we have on the subject already before his push is even dead should indicate this.
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^ But that doesn't excuse them from the shit job they're doing, sounds like you're trying to take the attention away from the real point here KK.
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Jericho as a face Champ
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Shall we go on?
That's my point. I'm saying they SHOULD try to please their audience, not that they actually DO.
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Old 01-12-2007, 03:22 PM   #76
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^ But that doesn't excuse them from the shit job they're doing, sounds like you're trying to take the attention away from the real point here KK.
You mean the dead horse the smarktards are flogging?

Sure, do go on about it. I'm not sure what else can be said, except that they're overreacting. That's what got me on this tangent i the first place. You...DO know the internet, right? Most threads on this board sidetrack into other things.

But please. Don't let me get between you and the horse. There's still a little bit by the anus that I was saving for the One.

This is totally jumping the gun. This still isn't the end of CM Punk's push, until WWE proves otherwise. You're already jumping the gun, too. Unless they are taping ECW three weeks at a time now, you know as little about next week as I do, and that means a loss here or there in and of itself is not the end. If they do it next week, if they work an entire program where CM Punk loses or looks horribly worse for the wear consistently, then you will have a valid reason to complain about the "Shit job" they're doing. But so far, you've got no pattern. You've got a match. Isolated.

And again, this is where my "loaded" comments come in.

Nobody's stopping you from diving in with the Smarktards and discussing how this is the end of Punk's career, how he'll never work again, and how he'll be taken out back and given the "Ole Yeller" treatment, or whatever you guys want to make this out to be. The fact is, they've got sweet fuck all to complain about. Granted, I'd laugh my ass off if they did kill his heat. But I wouldn't want to take attention away from that, either.

I'd be howling with laughter, but I wouldn't want to take away from the enjoyment.

I see the death of his push as inevitable, but it's stupid to write him off after one match. After all, I don't like Punk, so he'll probably Main Event.
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Old 01-12-2007, 03:30 PM   #77
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That's my point. I'm saying they SHOULD try to please their audience, not that they actually DO.
They've tried to. Several times. It was usually disaster, but if all you're looking for is an attempt, then open your eyes.
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You mean the dead horse the smarktards are flogging?

Sure, do go on about it. I'm not sure what else can be said, except that they're overreacting. That's what got me on this tangent i the first place. You...DO know the internet, right? Most threads on this board sidetrack into other things.
I personally think that after that post, that you're the one who is overreacting. Punk lost to Holly clean, how is that overreacting? Of all heels to lose to clean he lost to Holly. I'm not surprised people are reacting this way. But I guess you're right and they're all wrong yeah? Ofcourse...
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I personally think that after that post, that you're the one who is overreacting. Punk lost to Holly clean, how is that overreacting? Of all heels to lose to clean he lost to Holly. I'm not surprised people are reacting this way. But I guess you're right and they're all wrong yeah? Ofcourse...
And exactly which heel on ECW could he have lost to and it not resulted in the long tirades?
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