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Old 12-14-2006, 07:48 PM   #1
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And its all because Triple H doesnt like them.
Triple H called Booker T "inconsistent" in 2003, and thats why he wasnt given the belt at the height of his stardom.
Not to mention he wanted to 'keep the belt strong' for when Goldberg got it. So what happens when Goldberg is supposed to get it in the chamber? HHH wins.
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Old 12-14-2006, 09:26 AM   #2
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I doubt they're trying to though.

That would indicate WWE could make a conscious decision and make it work.
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Old 12-14-2006, 09:42 AM   #3
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I dont think they're trying to bury him, they just dont know what the fuck they're doing.
Seriously, I'm against pushing him too soon, but with the state things are in and the heat hes getting...they need to make a move with him there now. Whether it be book him in a high profile fued, give him a new TV title, or even put the title on him (though i dont want it yet)
Either that or move the guy off the sinking ship and put him on Raw or Smackdown.
It'd be awesome to see him fued with Jeff or Benoit or somebody. Then they could really showcase him.
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Old 12-14-2006, 02:39 PM   #4
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They need to push someone fast. And if Punk has serious heat, they probably should push him. Though I hate the guy. From his overrated skills to his total face persona, I would rather see him dead than on TV, and will personally be happy to see him totally buried.

On the other hand, that doesn't make it the smartest move. Not everyone thinks their fetishes are the answer to WWE's problems.
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not to mention he comes in and doesnt do one wrestling move to retain. That night sickened me.
If it was strong leading up to that, it wasnt very strong after that night. And whats the point of making a belt 'strong' when the guy you've put a year into obtaining it only gets to run with it for 2 months
I'm sure Punk is too small for Triple H's liking. Punk fits more into the category of guys Foley or Heyman would push for backstage (Jericho, RVD, Booker) and not the types Triple H and Flair seem to gush over (Batista).
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WWE needs to do something with Punk, and they need to do it now. If I had it my way I would send him to SmackDown and put him in a program with Benoit for the US Title that would last from Royal Rumble until WrestleMania. Or I would send him to RAW, and put him in some high profile fueds. But they absolutely need to do SOMETHING because while he is retaining his heat on ECW, it's only a matter of time before it becomes stale.
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WWE needs to do something with Punk, and they need to do it now. If I had it my way I would send him to SmackDown and put him in a program with Benoit for the US Title that would last from Royal Rumble until WrestleMania. Or I would send him to RAW, and put him in some high profile fueds. But they absolutely need to do SOMETHING because while he is retaining his heat on ECW, it's only a matter of time before it becomes stale.
That's what I'd do, too. CM Punk has stated in an interview (with IGN, I believe) that his dream match is Chris Benoit & CM Punk vs. William Regal & Finlay. Where are three of those men now? Moving Punk to SmackDown! would help the WWE out greatly. It provides them with another babyface, a solid worker for the mid-card, and it helps put Punk into perspective amongst WWE Superstars. Does it leave ECW looking weaker? Sure, but who gives a fuck, it sucks these days anyway.

And I am of the belief they are trying to kill Punk's heat. Not majorly, to the point where they can't build him up again, but to just keep him down until they think he's been in the WWE long enough to justify making money off him. As KoOS said, the excessive punching finish would be called bullshit in the WWE. Even for the new ECW, that is a stupid fucking way to end the match. Why not have Holly use a steel chair, or bring out his trash can lids and go windmill style on Punk?

I thought Triple H was taken out of context when he said Punk didn't know how to control a crowd, and that he was being sarcastic. I guess I was wrong, hence the post-Survivor Series bitterness towards Punk by the creative team.
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I stand by my statement after tonight.
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Old 01-09-2007, 10:35 PM   #9
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aka I'm beyond pissed, even moreso than after sitting through that Rosie/Trump shit last night.

Holly made Punk look as much as a jobber as Triple H did to RVD during a match they had a couple of years ago.

This whole feud has made Punk look pathetic.
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Old 01-09-2007, 10:50 PM   #11
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Pretty much, Punk was gonna lose at some point but that was horrible. I would have rather WWE used the typical feet on the ropes roll up, just so they made it look like Holly couldn't beat Punk clean..........but cmon it's Hardcore Holly, he's awesome, he's over, he's shit.
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What the fuck? I'm glad that I've decided to only catch ECW on Hardcore Hangover, because they only reason I tuned in was for Punk. I don't need to see him jobbing to Holly CLEAN. Retarded.
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Old 01-10-2007, 12:22 AM   #13
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It's retarded. But they're not TRYING to kill his heat, they just are because they don't know any better as to what they're doing.
Vince has regressed. He knows as well as anyone what works now, and what used to work. And he's made a point of making his priorities shift back to the cheesy, unskilled, bull fights of the 80s, and has given up on the CM Punk types. Thats why Great Khali, Umaga, Lashley and whoever are pushed...while RVD, CM Punk and others flounder in the midcard.
Its probably because HHH doesn't like "little punks" like CM or Jericho. Whatever, they're funeral.
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It's retarded. But they're not TRYING to kill his heat, they just are because they don't know any better as to what they're doing.
Vince has regressed. He knows as well as anyone what works now, and what used to work. And he's made a point of making his priorities shift back to the cheesy, unskilled, bull fights of the 80s, and has given up on the CM Punk types. Thats why Great Khali, Umaga, Lashley and whoever are pushed...while RVD, CM Punk and others flounder in the midcard.
Its probably because HHH doesn't like "little punks" like CM or Jericho. Whatever, they're funeral.
JEsus Christ. Jericho was around the main event/upper midcard scene most of his time in WWE. He's actually liked backstage, too. RVD? RVD blew a monster push, a huge moment, and a championship reign because he had to get baked and then get caught in a car with drugs. Van Dam blew his chance, Jericho helped make Milli Vanilli look good (He enhanced the ME scene, perdiod). These are bad examples (Well, Van Dam would be a good example except for this "back to the old school of wrestling" complaint about recent events, since RVD was wasted like 5 years ago almost).
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Of all the people to put over C.M. Punk, why let it be Job Holly?
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Is it me or were a lot of Punk-sters saying that he should win the ECW title at Mania a month or so ago. Now he's dead, buried and paid his dues to Bobcore, lots are saying he's not ready.

Man, Vince has you all figured out.
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I (being a "Punk-ster") never wanted him with the ECW title at WM. That would be blowing the load way too soon. And I really don't mind him losing. But to go down clean to Holly at the beginning of the feud makes him look like a bitch. Especially after he couldn't lock on the Anaconda Vice a few weeks back. The man who's all about competition goes down to the barely-ever-was.
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Old 01-10-2007, 07:32 PM   #21
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Are any of you REALLY shocked that he lost?
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Shocked is not the right word. Disappointed. But that's a feeling that I generally associate with WWE.
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You know, it makes me laugh when people say "he's not ready yet" about guys who have been wrestling for years. RVD was the most over guy in the company in 2001 and the RIGHT time to put him over as the champion was No Mercy 2001. He had only been there for a few months, but he was white-hot. That they let it play out for so long lessened the impact when he finally won it, years later.

The RIGHT time to put C.M. Punk in as the champ, if that IS the eventual plan, would be by or at WrestleMania. So fucking what if he's new to the company? He's paid enough dues in the business (even if that isn't in WWE)not to be jobbed out to Job Holly. They need to strike while the iron is hot.
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Yes. Working in the indies is the same as being onboard for WWE's biggest rivals, and already being a high profile character.
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Old 01-11-2007, 06:11 PM   #26
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What I'm saying is it doesn't matter where somebody has worked before, or even how long for, if they are super-over and the fans WANT to see it happen, then make it happen. It's good business in my view. Give the people want they want to see.

Fuck the boys in the back, 90% of them will never be satisfied with their position anyway, and there will be backstage animosity to a new guy put in the main event whether he's a rookie or a 10 year veteran. You can't please everyone, but you can try to please your audience.
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What I'm saying is it doesn't matter where somebody has worked before, or even how long for, if they are super-over and the fans WANT to see it happen, then make it happen. It's good business in my view. Give the people want they want to see.

Fuck the boys in the back, 90% of them will never be satisfied with their position anyway, and there will be backstage animosity to a new guy put in the main event whether he's a rookie or a 10 year veteran. You can't please everyone, but you can try to please your audience.
Jericho as a face Champ
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Old 01-12-2007, 01:09 PM   #28
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That's my point. I'm saying they SHOULD try to please their audience, not that they actually DO.
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Old 01-12-2007, 03:30 PM   #29
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That's my point. I'm saying they SHOULD try to please their audience, not that they actually DO.
They've tried to. Several times. It was usually disaster, but if all you're looking for is an attempt, then open your eyes.
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They've tried to. Several times. It was usually disaster, but if all you're looking for is an attempt, then open your eyes.
I'm talking most specifically about doing so when the opportunity presents intself on a plate ie. the aborted/neglected pushes of RVD, Booker T and more recently C.M. Punk.

I'm not a big C.M. Punk mark... I don't honestly see what all the fuss is about... but I do realise that he seems to have more of a cult fanbase now than anyone who has come through the pike in recent times. Rather than capitalise on this, they seem intent of making him "pay his dues". Fuck "dues". You're supposed to be running a business here.

It is history repeating itself. You can say that WWE does occasionally try to appease their fans by giving them what they want. More often than not, however, it is either so long since the moment passed that nobody really cares anymore (RVD's title win) or atrocious booking kills any momentum dead almost immediately (InVasion, Matt Hardy 2005).

C.M. Punk will probably be embroiled in the mid card for the next year, losing nearly as often as he is winning; the crowd chants getting quieter and quieter with each passing month. Then, he will eventually become a champion in ECW (or whichever brand he is on) but, bar a big pop for the novelty of his victory, his heat will have evaporated.

Hey, I don't care either way. I think the guy has potential to be the next huge guy, based on the character he is playing. It could connect with the whole emo/straight-edge rock movement and make WWE cool again. That would be a good thing for me, as a fan. It pains me to see WWE steer in the wrong direction once again, focusing more of their energies on celebrity endorsements and comedy spoofs than the direction the company should take to remain relevant in today's entertainment market. C.M. Punk could well be the key to their future success, if anybody in that company has any balls left.
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Old 01-11-2007, 09:05 PM   #31
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What I'm saying is it doesn't matter where somebody has worked before, or even how long for, if they are super-over and the fans WANT to see it happen, then make it happen.
Worked well for Matt Hardy.

And Orton.

And Cena.

Well, actually, it did work for Cena, but only because WWE doesn't care that he was getting booed, or buyrates started to suffer.
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and coming soon to an online smark rant near you...CM Punk and Ken Kennedy
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Old 01-11-2007, 09:19 PM   #34
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and coming soon to an online smark rant near you...CM Punk and Ken Kennedy
That's kind of loaded though. Unless CM Punk is Unified Champ on all four shows, he'll not get close to what the smarks expect. Kennedy? He'd better win the Rumble, hold all titles on Smackdown, and single handedly eliminate every man in the Royal Rumble...
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Old 01-11-2007, 09:12 PM   #37
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Basically, I'm saying that Punk could be pushed to the moon, and Smarks would insist they should have pushed him to Mars instead.
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