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Old 12-17-2006, 12:29 AM   #41
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Oh, well than we are in agreement, we know why, but agree he's a douchbag of an idiot.
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Old 12-17-2006, 12:34 AM   #42
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I thought Edge did a fantastic job on Mind of Mencia.
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Old 12-17-2006, 12:47 AM   #43
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I thought Edge was boring...though the entire Battle Royal of Religions was a shit idea to start with so no telling how mcuh of that was bad writing.
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Old 12-17-2006, 09:19 AM   #44
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I will say, Cena is probably the third best "Face of the Industry" behind Rock (#1) and Hogan (#2). Not saying they are the most over, just the best at relating to non-wrestling fans.
Personally, from talking to my chums who do not like wrestling, I'd put Cena way back behind half of the roster from 1998 to 2002. Hell, I can imagine that most non fans can relate more to the Ultimate Warrior than Cena.
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Old 12-17-2006, 09:36 AM   #45
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I don't doubt for a minute John Cena does an adequate job in outside appearances, and what-not, but as you suggested, he's not the right person, nor does he do a good enough job. If he did, we probably wouldn't be having this conversation.
He's not the right person in the ring, no. But there's a pretty good reason McMAhon thinks he's the right guy for the biz--He's charming and a yesman, which means he's not going to, you know, try anything new, inventive or contrary to Vince and the last 5 years of making things worse.
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Old 12-17-2006, 09:38 AM   #46
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Personally, from talking to my chums who do not like wrestling, I'd put Cena way back behind half of the roster from 1998 to 2002. Hell, I can imagine that most non fans can relate more to the Ultimate Warrior than Cena.
Especially nowadays.
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'xactly. In this respect he's fallen short of his responsibility to raise public awareness. Perhaps it's because he's not a character or a gimmick that the likes of Warrior, Hogan, Undertaker or the Rock were; regardless if you put him in a line-up with these people, I guarantee he'd come bottom in frequency of identification.
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Old 12-17-2006, 02:49 PM   #48
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Rock got booed eventually, Cena much like the Rock plays a better heel character
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Its really strange to be having this conversation, not because of where Cena is now but because of where Cena was say a year or two ago.

When Cena was on Smackdown (I dont get to watch wrestling more than once a month or so now so excuse my lack of proper timeline here) he was the next big thing. Even in the age of Brock Lesnar it was arguable that he was still the next big thing in the Company. Surely I cant have been the only person salivating over Brock the unstoppable monster vs. Cena the edgy face for the WWE title?

But somewhere it all went wrong, whether it be The Marine, the failed first title win, or just the face turn into a Uber soppy face John Cena it all went to shit and now instead of being the internet darling child (not to mention the next Austin - Rock) he has become this almost X-Pac like anomily.

But that all being said (and keep in mind I dont watch much now) is there anyone getting pops as consistently as he is?

He does pop a crowd, he does get the crowd that is there fired up and while the booking could be better I really dont see too many alternatives too him on Raw.

DX is busy on a 90 revival tour thats going nowhere, Rated RKO are better away rom the belt for a bit IMO because if you make either champ who is going to challenge except for the other member leaving us with Orton as the bland face or Edge losing his gimmick which has made him this past year.

At the moment WWE is in a devil and the deep blue sea equation and seemingly have no idea how to get out. However I do think Cena as a heel is the answer. Wrestling is in a slump and as it is there is no one catching the peoples (not wrestling fans but peoples) imaginations the way a true superstar does.

And lastly I think Ratings are irrelevant to a point and certainly not on the back of Cena when the entire show is either a 90s revivval tour in DX or a joke of an undercard. The entire how is crap right now and Cena cant wear that all.
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Old 12-17-2006, 03:39 PM   #50
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To be fair, it's been the evolution of his character that has turned most smarks against him.

Think back a couple of years, at the Rumble, he got a fucking huge pop coming down and losing at the last to Dancing Dave. His music, demeanor, edgy white rapper thing WORKED, and I enjoyed it as well. He was funny. Who can forget when he said to Lesnar 'nice tattoo of your mother on your back', that stuff was great.

Then, he brings out an album which ALREADY had the spinner belt depicted on it before he even beat JBL at Mania. 'My Time Is Now' was alright, but has nothing on his previous entrance music. He had that 'Doctor Of Thugonomics' tag, which is a distant memory now which was pretty different, and 'You Can't See Me' was fresh. As a heel, Cena was fantastic. His skit at WM19 was pretty good as well.

Fast forward past face turn to run as WWE Champion. Now the spinner belt idea was alright for the US title, as it was like a Vinyl on a deck and stuff, it worked. There is NO REASON for him to have a belt which just spins...absolutely none.

His music is now like a pop song that you've heard a million times, it starts to grate, and lets be honest - he's no Eminem.

But then he takes the role of the typical 'rapper' that forgets where he comes from. He stops doing any sort of an edgy rap in his promos - except when the oppotunity arises for a STD joke at Lita. He wears all his own merchandise, and refuses to rap full stop - citing that his 'character' doesn't need it. He has the 'chain gang' which is the gayest name for followers ever. He then stars in a movie - which I haven't seen, but opinion seems to be that the guy is no Dwayne Johnson in an action flick. I'll reserve judgement until I have the oppotunity to watch it without having to exchange any money for the privelige.

As far as I'm concerned, the guy could have stood up long ago and said - look, this isn't my character anymore. When the people booed him after Mania, it was a golden oppotunity to turn heel and possibly be one of the best at it. Instead John says 'I like the fact that people boo and cheer me at the same time'. What a load of shit. In other words, the guy loves his merchandise money too much.

In conclusion - I don't like Cena, he's the definition of everything thats wrong in Wrestling today and would prefer Chris Masters to him as Champion.
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Old 12-17-2006, 05:28 PM   #51
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I was with you until the end there mate.

Cena's attitude too the business is one of the things right with wrestling right now. He cares about what he does and he goes out there every night booed or cheered and does his job with passion.

He has no say in how hes booked or pushed, hate him for his gimmick or his lack of ring skills as everyone jumps on him for but from what I have heard and seen he has one of the best attitudes in the business.
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The One has been spot on in this whole thread.
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Old 12-17-2006, 11:56 PM   #53
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His music, demeanor, edgy white rapper thing WORKED, and I enjoyed it as well.
Which is the funny thing, because a lot of people who hated him were forced to admit how entertaining he was, etc.
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Old 12-22-2006, 10:45 AM   #54
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Well you can see that over the past year the increasing boos and criticism has made him tone down some things. Like the chain gang and the ebonics voice have all been subdued. His wiggerness is still there but he's definitely made it a point to slowly tone it down since the backlash of some fans. However its not working and the resentment seems to grow. WWE is foolish for not capitalizing of the genuine hatred of fans and using it to make him into a great heel.

All I can really say about Cena is, he was getting boos at Summerslam in Boston when he was challenging for "his" title. There's a lot of resentment to the wigger gimmick as I would say the majority of people who watch and don't watch wrestling see and say 'well that sucks'. Of course theres a lot of people who like that stuff, but I've yet to meet a casual fan who thinks Cena's cool.

Cena's a laughing stalk to the mainstream, I've heard him made fun of on the radio around the time of the marine, by friends, and the only thing that makes him semi-noteworthy is the novelty of that belt.
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Cena's a laughing stalk to the mainstream, I've heard him made fun of on the radio around the time of the marine, by friends, and the only thing that makes him semi-noteworthy is the novelty of that belt.
Novelty? The belt is an insult. In fact, John Cena as champ is an insult.

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I agree with you. But the fact is that belt is probably more recognizalbe than he is.
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Come to think of it, thats really why I think they obsess over keeping the belt on him. I think its the major component of his gimmick, his drawing power seems to rely off it heavily.
If the guys not champ, then the 'champ isn't here' and theres no spinner and "cool" looking belt to help him sell merchandise.
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Well you can see that over the past year the increasing boos and criticism has made him tone down some things.
Wow, if that ain't bass ackwards.

The negative reactions have constantly been because of the changes, not the cause of them. Cena was getting popped like mad, so they pushed him. They changed the character, and he started to get booed. They changed it mroe, and he became the "most controversial champion ever!!!!"
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Really, because I could swear the character has become toned down as less "wiggerish" in the past year because of the resentment he was getting in late 05/06
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Old 12-22-2006, 05:56 PM   #61
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He was still huuuuge when they started to tone down his character.
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Old 12-25-2006, 02:50 AM   #62
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I don't hate Cena, personally. I find him entertaining more often than not. Don't jump on my back for that, it's just an opinion.

Here's something I was thinking about, though. I remember being a huge fan of The Rock back in the day...but after a while, even HIS act started to get old for me. I remember legitimately not liking The Rock for quite some time...until he finally left. Then I started to miss him. When he came back for those couple "HollyRock" appearances, I marked out like a little bitch. I wonder if anybody will actually miss Cena when he's gone?

A heel turn definitely would help, though. The Rock was champ as both a heel and a face, so at least he had the chance to freshen things up every once in a while. When Cena finally does turn heel (and I don't see it even being possible for quite some time with the current roster), people will probably love the shit out of him all over again.
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Old 12-25-2006, 05:10 AM   #63
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They sell too many John Cena t-shirts and action figures for them to de-push him.

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Old 12-27-2006, 12:11 AM   #64
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I dunno. Lower ratings=fewer fans=lower buyrates=less merch.
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Old 12-27-2006, 01:40 AM   #65
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Even this black guy at my school who doesn't watch wrestling and thinks it's for "Punk ass crackers" like me knows Cena! He says, "Who the fuck does this wigger think he is with his little(insert "You Can't See Me music) deal?"
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Everyone knows who K-Fed is, too.

Ummm...Your point?
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