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Old 12-20-2006, 10:30 PM   #41
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I don't want to sound like I'm shitting on things for the sake of shitting on things, but the WWE could throw Paul London vs. Brian Kendrick vs. Doug Basham vs. Val Venis in a "Winner Becomes God" Ladder Match, and I still wouldn't order.

I hate to say it, but marks will probably eat it up, though. The rematch from last year, this time with Triple H in DX colours? I can see marks shitting themselves over it. The same goes for The Undertaker. How that guy gets no heat, unless he is in Toronto, is beyond me. I mean, the guy wears a fucking leotard and has the corniest shit surrounding him.

The Undertaker will probably win the Rumble, as he hasn't done that yet, but from a storyline perspective, I think Triple H winning makes more sense. I mean, you need to set up Cena vs. Triple H, and the Rumble is the easiest way to do it. Plus, the reason for the 'Tista vs. 'Taker match is the whole Title vs. Streak thing. Do you need to throw the Rumble story in there?

Retards and idiots will eat up WrestleMania 23. Some smarks will even probably buy into it because of Money in the Bank and because it's WrestleMania. This might be the final straw in the hat, though. I can't watch that shit.
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Old 12-20-2006, 10:34 PM   #42
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I'd expect a low buyrate for a WrestleMania, though. Thus far, they're not exactly encouraging the smarks, and marks are dropping off.

WrestleMania usually gets the pop because the WWE regains focus, and puts together a Supershow, and stops with the shit that makes us want to turn off our TVs. It seems they're going full-throttle with the shit that makes us want to turn off our TVs, though. Bad mistake.

The WWE should just unify their Championships, and end the brand split at WrestleMania. It might make me watch.
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Old 12-20-2006, 10:37 PM   #43
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I'd expect a low buyrate for a WrestleMania, though. Thus far, they're not exactly encouraging the smarks, and marks are dropping off.

WrestleMania usually gets the pop because the WWE regains focus, and puts together a Supershow, and stops with the shit that makes us want to turn off our TVs. It seems they're going full-throttle with the shit that makes us want to turn off our TVs, though. Bad mistake.

The WWE should just unify their Championships, and end the brand split at WrestleMania. It might make me watch.
There is no way to end the split without releasing at least half the roster. Combined, you'd have shows full of nothing but main eventers and one lower card match. They can't even book everyone on the shows WITH the split.
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I don't want to sound like I'm shitting on things for the sake of shitting on things, but the WWE could throw Paul London vs. Brian Kendrick vs. Doug Basham vs. Val Venis in a "Winner Becomes God" Ladder Match, and I still wouldn't order.

That's a lie and you know it...
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Old 12-20-2006, 10:38 PM   #46
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There is no way to end the split without releasing at least half the roster. Combined, you'd have shows full of nothing but main eventers and one lower card match. They can't even book everyone on the shows WITH the split.
No shit. A lot of families would go hungry.
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There is no way to end the split without releasing at least half the roster. Combined, you'd have shows full of nothing but main eventers and one lower card match. They can't even book everyone on the shows WITH the split.
But losing half the current roster wouldn't be much of a loss now would it?
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But losing half the current roster wouldn't be much of a loss now would it?
If they started to book well, and that's not impossible, then yes, a lot of good guys would be gone and it would be a loss.
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If they started to book well, and that's not impossible, then yes, a lot of good guys would be gone and it would be a loss.
But that's the problem, it is impossible for the current creative team to book well.
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But that's the problem, it is impossible for the current creative team to book well.
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But that's the problem, it is impossible for the current creative team to book well.
Okay, now you're just being a stubborn mark.

Yes, the writing's bad. Yes, they aren't booking as they should. Yes, I'll go as far as to say that a lot of it's shit, but you're going to tell me that there is ZERO impossibility that it turns around? Come the fuck on and get the fuck off your high horse.

Is it possible that the WWE is on an incline that ends in disaster? Absolutely, but there is an equal chance that this is a transitional period and they're trying to find their groove in the modern day mainstream. Yes, the WWE can be considered mainstream (fringe at worst) and when you're mainstream you have to conform to the casual viewer, and if that means isolating your core audience for a while (in example, see Nintendo's Wii) to find a new set of fans then so be it.

And even if this did end in disaster, it would take WWE at least 10 years from now to being close to selling off everything and shutting down. Fuck, they could close the WWE today and still be a multi-million dollar company by just selling the shit they have in the library on DVD and other media types.
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Old 12-20-2006, 11:07 PM   #52
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No shit. A lot of families would go hungry.
WWE's talent pool is stretched too thin. And while I'm not going to dance around for the fact that a lot of guys are out of work, it's not WWE's responsibility to make sure as many wrestlers as possible are on the payroll. Personally, I would end the roster split. But I've been saying that since the day it happened.
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Listen, i've sat and watched through so much shit that its lead me to think this way, unless they hire writers who know how to book a wrestling show, then i wont change my opinion.
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Listen, i've sat and watched throuh so much shit that its lead me to think this way, unless they hire writers who know how to book a wrestling show, then i wont change my opinion.
I've come to the realization a while ago that they're NOT booking a "wrestling" show and never will again. In fact, there IS no "wrestling" show shown nationally, TNA's the same shit. Only thing that would come close is ROH.

"Wrestling" will never be mainstream, "Sports Entertainment" will.
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Well if they're not booking a "wrestling" show then that backs up my point further. Things will not change aslong as they continue in this direction.
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Ending the brand split will result in a lot of lost jobs, but its gotta be done sooner or later.
And with the state things are in, it should be sooner than later.

Perhaps end the brand split of Raw and Smackdown, and leave ECW. The roster of a twice a week show could be a little bigger than each is now. You'd still have production and everything on smackdown. The tag team and world titles would be unified and the cruiserweight and womens divisions would remain.

If ECW is extended an hour a lot of talent can be sent there, and with Raw and Smackdown united ala 2000, you'd have things be stronger..and I don't think that many jobs would be lost.
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Depends on what people think is more important i guess, loss of jobs or loss of ratings? Consider the fact that WWE wrestlers get payed a lot anyway, and could easily find work somewhere else(tna for example), its not impossible to make a living in wrestling outside of WWE. And since when has WWE ever cared about wrestlers losing jobs anyway? It's a weak argument tbh.
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TL, you bring up an interesting point..."..and could easily find work somewhere else(tna for example).."

Perhaps WWE is avoiding ending the brand split to avoid mass migration of unemployed talent to TNA?
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If that was the case they wouldn't have let Angle go would they?
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If that was the case they wouldn't have let Angle go would they?
Doesn't quite work, as Angle =/= mass migration. As great as he is, he's still one man.
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But he's still one of the best wrestlers around today, if not the best.
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But he's still one of the best wrestlers around today, if not the best.
...which would make your point a great one, IF jeritron had said, "Perhaps WWE is avoiding ending the brand split to avoid ANY migration of unemployed talent to TNA?"
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Plus they didnt think he was gonna go to TNA. Its not like they fired him or didnt resign him and he was out of a job. He asked to be released and they granted it, under the impression that he was just going to be taking indefinite time away from the ring.
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yea pepsiman is right. I just meant, maybe they would want to avoid releasing large amounts of perfectly healthy, work-seeking wrestlers who they initially saw talent in and now can no longer employ. established/not established/old and young alike.

I dont mean singular examples either but mass amounts. You know, like when WCW or ECW folded. Maybe not that big but still, you get what I'm saying.
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I'll order it if CM Punk is on the show.

Give me Hogan/Show, give me Boogeyman/Mark Henry in a 30 minute iron man match, I don't care. If CM Punk is just shown taking a crap on the toilet, I'm ordering it.
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haha, well you'll most likely be ordering it because I highly doubt he'll be left off the card.

I'd really like to see him get a midcard singles match against someone who can help put him over. Maybe Benoit or Hardy for the IC or US strap (if they sent him to a brand) or else do something good for ECW, whatever that could be.
I also wouldn't mind seeing him in the Money in the Bank match. CM Punk is the type who could probably bring the house down in a ladder match.
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CM Punk vs. Jeff Hardy vs. Carlito vs. Shelton Benjamin vs. Rey Mysterio vs. Johnny Nitro - MITB

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Old 12-21-2006, 11:07 AM   #68
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But we'll probably see WGTT vs. The Hardys vs. MNM or something which would be good as well.
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Old 12-21-2006, 11:19 AM   #69
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well if they did MITB and sent 2 from each brand I'd def like to see them send CM Punk and Sabu from ECW
Jeff Hardy and Shelton from Raw
Mysterio and someone else from SD!

But yea you're right. We'll probably see Hardys vs. WGTT for the tag belts.

And Nitro will probably get a match with Foley. I think everyones overlooking the fact that this match is almost certain.
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Old 12-21-2006, 11:33 AM   #70
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Ok, I'll think like Vince and do the card that way instead of doing a dream card.

John Cena vs Triple H (WWE Title)

Batista vs Undertaker (WHC)

Edge vs Randy Orton (Mick Foley Special Ref)

Playboy Bunny Girls vs The Divas (Pillow Fight Battle Royal)

Chris Benoit vs Ken Kennedy (US Title)

CM Punk vs Johnny Nitro vs Kenny Dykstra vs Matt Hardy vs Booker T vs Jeff Hardy(MITB Ladder Match)

Bobby Lashley vs Test (ECW Title)

Rock/Metal band perform the first of Wrestlemania's 53 theme songs

The Big Show vs Hulk Hogan

Mickie James vs Melina (Womens Title)

Paul London & Brian Kendrick vs Tommy Dreamer & The Sandman (WWE Tag Team Titles)


That keeps the majority of the ECW mob off the PPV without insulting the brand too much. Carlito and Masters would have no place on the show, and they never have an IC title match at Mania anymore.
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It's been rumored for a while to be Foley/McMahon.
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Old 12-21-2006, 12:14 PM   #72
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It's been rumored for a while to be Foley/McMahon.
Yeah, pretty much since Foley was "fired".
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They should have an IC title match for a change. It's one thing that really irks me about recent wrestlemanias.

19 it wasnt in contention (which was a disgrace in its own) so that doesn't count.
20 Orton was holding it, and he was in a higher profile match. fair enough.
21 Shelton was in the money in the bank and same for 22.

I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for having been leaving it off the card, but its time for it to be back on it.
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Old 12-21-2006, 02:19 PM   #74
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I'll order it if CM Punk is on the show.
Same here. It's sad that one man is the deciding factor in whether I order Wrestlemania or not. We might be a couple of months out right now, but I don't see things coming together to the point that I care about ordering PPVs.
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Old 12-21-2006, 07:25 PM   #75
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one draw for people to order this will be seeing this thing take place in the huge venue it's taking place in
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Old 12-22-2006, 08:31 AM   #76
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I made a card awhile back, but that was my idea for a reasonable card. This is my "somewhat realistic" card for...



MAIN EVENT
WWE Heavyweight Championship
John Cena (c) vs. Randy Orton vs. Triple H

(I'd have Randy win the title here. I am the #1 Orton-hater here, but enough is enough of Cena. The match will be a horrible "wrestling match" but the build up could be interesting if Randy grows personality and John Cena learns how not to overact every single thing he does. Triple H has good history and chemistry with both Randy and Cena, plus Triple H will carry this fued into something more than the inevitable match up everything thinks they want to see. I have a feeling RKO will win the Rumble and this will lead to the whole "who will lead the WWE into the future" thing as Triple H finds a way into the match.)

"PICK THIS GUY OVER YOUR HEAD, JACKASS!" HISTORICAL REENACTMENT MATCH
Hulk Hogan vs. Big Show
(ZZZ...Big Show goes over and Hogan dies...yeah right.)

World Heavyweight Championship
Batista (c) vs. The Undertaker
(Undertaker wins in a similar match to the HHH/Taker match @ X-Seven. Blood, Violence, and Brawling everywhere.)

MONEY IN THE BANK III
[SD!] Chris Benoit vs. Ken Kennedy vs. [RAW] Chris Masters vs. Jeff Hardy vs. [ECW] CM Punk vs. Rob Van Dam
(Ken Kennedy or CM Punk gets the win here and goes on to win their World Title at a brand-exclusive PPV that would have no reasonable main event except for him cashing in the MITB.)
EXTREME RULES MATCH
ECW Championship
Test (c) vs. Bobby Lashley
(Lashley wins the title on the biggest stage of them all. Let's hope Bobby doesn't wanna play football.)

EXTREME ORIGINALS vs. EXTREME NOOBS
EXTREME RULES
Sabu/Sandman/Tommy Dreamer vs. Matt Stiker/Mike Knox/Kevin Thorn
(The Originals get the win here before being released within 72 hours.)

Intercontinental Championship
Shelton Benjamin vs. Johnny Nitro vs. Carlito
(Carlito wins! somebody with personality winning a midcard title?...That's cool.)
United States Championship
Finlay vs. William Regal vs. King Booker
(King Booker continues the great tradition of former SmackDown! Champions like Chris Benoit, JBL, and Eddie Guerrero...WRESTLEMANIA MIDCARD! Finlay gets the win here because he loves to fight...and Little Bastard bites a black man on the ass.)

HOSS-A-MANIA MATCH
Umaga vs. Kane vs. The Great Khali
(Kane finally wins a WrestleMania match!)

 Shawn Michaels vs Edge
(Edge gets the win here in a possible show-stealer.)

Street Fight
Mick Foley vs. Vince McMahon
(Similar to WrestleMania 22's HBK/McMahon match...only less tanning oil and more socks wrapped in barbwire and covered in 1000s and 1000s of thumbtacks!!!!)

WWE Women's Championship
Mickie James vs. Melina
(Blah. Melina wins which leads to the whole jealousy angle with Johnny Nitro and they eventually break up leading to the end of me muting my TV when they are on my screen.)
SMACKDOWN! SPECIAL TAG TEAM DARK MATCH SPECTACULAR
WWE Tag Team Championship
Paul London/Brian Kendrick vs. Idol Stevens/KC James
(Umm...I dunno. A tag team will win?)

RAW TAG TEAM DARK MATCH SPECTACULAR
World Tag Team Championship
Cryme Tyme vs. Highlanders
(Cryme Tyme gets the big win on the big stage (when the lights are off.)

ECW EXTREME DARK MATCH SPECTACULAR
Balls Mahoney vs. Hardcore Holly
(Double DQ as a result of them breathing too EXTREME)
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HOSS-A-MANIA MATCH
Umaga vs. Kane vs. The Great Khali
(Kane finally wins a WrestleMania match!)


Ummm....Kane won at WM 17 in a triple threat match for the Hardcore Title against Big Show and Raven
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The roster split won't cause too many guys to lose jobs. Maybe Shannon Moore and Snitsky would be let go, and old guys like Hacksaw Jim Duggan and Jerry Lawler wouldn't need to wrestle all the time. It would allow for a strong as fuck Tag Team Division, and the mid-card could actually get past having two guys in it.

The green guys can work down in OVW/DSW, and perfect their skills, while the guys that have been hogging the spotlight can be phased out more effectively. Ending the brand split is the best thing for the WWE at the present, in my opinion.
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