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Old 01-09-2007, 03:37 AM   #41
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Orton VS Cena
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Old 01-09-2007, 05:02 AM   #42
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I'd laugh my ass off if the WWE decided to post-pone WrestleMania until Triple H's comeback.
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Old 01-09-2007, 05:21 AM   #43
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I think it may be too early for CM Punk to headline WrestleMania, but I would not be opposed to him doing something major at the event. I'd love to see him end The Undertaker's WrestleMania streak.

I hope Umaga gets the title shot at the Royal Rumble. I just want to see Khali in the Rumble Match, and get eliminated by Kane, who goes on to eliminate at least 12 guys, beating his own record in the match.
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Old 01-09-2007, 05:22 AM   #44
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To be perfectly honest, I'd rather see John Cena vs. Shawn Michaels and Edge vs. Randy Orton.
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Old 01-09-2007, 05:30 AM   #45
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To be perfectly honest, I'd rather see all 4 of them in a fatal four way for the title.
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Old 01-09-2007, 08:25 AM   #46
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Yes, let's put CM Punk, who's been in WWE for like 3 weeks and beaten up primarily jobbers (UNDEFEATED AGAINST SCOTTY II HOTTY LAWLZ) And have him ME.
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To be perfectly honest, I'd rather see all 4 of them in a fatal four way for the title.
That'd be my pick, too.
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Old 01-09-2007, 10:10 AM   #48
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Yes, let's put CM Punk, who's been in the business for like 3 weeks and beaten up primarily jobbers (UNDEFEATED AGAINST SCOTTY II HOTTY LAWLZ) And have him ME.
CM Punk's been in the business for like 8 years, and been in several WWE main event-level matches already. I get your point, and don't necessarily disagree with it, but when you have The Great Khali, as a rumoured option, CM Punk doesn't look that bad.

Punk's not likely to do a runner. I mean, his size kind of limits him from professional sports, and I doubt he's stupid enough to jump to MMA, or even TNA, so the Lesnar issue isn't really worth bringing up.
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It's got to be Michaels in the ME against Cena. So what if it's face vs face. If it was going to be Trips vs Cena then everyone would have booed Cena out the fucking building anyway.

IMO, Michaels has been the MVP for pretty much all of the recent darks days in the WWE. He deserves the title, he's one of about 3 real stars on Raw, and we've had Edge vs Cena for most of last year. Orton is still not ready, and needs a MAJOR singles full-time feud (not a Foley type one) to solidify himself.
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Old 01-09-2007, 10:21 AM   #50
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CM Punk's been in the business for like 8 years, and been in several WWE main event-level matches already. I get your point, and don't necessarily disagree with it, but when you have The Great Khali, as a rumoured option, CM Punk doesn't look that bad.

Punk's not likely to do a runner. I mean, his size kind of limits him from professional sports, and I doubt he's stupid enough to jump to MMA, or even TNA, so the Lesnar issue isn't really worth bringing up.
I meant WWE.

Yeek.

I'm aware he's been in the business for a long time. Considering I was bashing him for well over a year before he entered WWE.
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Old 01-09-2007, 10:25 AM   #51
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In any event, Khali's been in several higher profile matches than "I'm undefeated against Shannon Moore and the other ECW guys nobody will ever give a fuck about."

Which was the other half of my statement.
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Old 01-09-2007, 10:37 AM   #52
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Yeah, I know you meant the WWE, I was merely pointing out the fact that he isn't green. I responded to your "he's only faced jobber" statements. He's been in main event programs, and he's defeated former World Champions.

Do I think it may be a little too early to go the whole way with CM Punk? Yes. Do I think it is too early to start? Hell no, a program with a main eventer heading into WrestleMania would be fine with me. Of course, that is only my opinion.
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Old 01-09-2007, 10:41 AM   #53
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He's not green, that wasn't the argument.

I never said he only faced jobbers. That wasn't the argument either. Somehow, you managed to make up an entirely new argument again, 'Noid. You made up arguments on two counts and dodged a third.
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Old 01-09-2007, 10:44 AM   #54
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Yes, let's put CM Punk, who's been in WWE for like 3 weeks and beaten up primarily jobbers (UNDEFEATED AGAINST SCOTTY II HOTTY LAWLZ) And have him ME.
Point out where I said only jobbers.

Please.

Because I really can't see it.

It's one thing simply to fail to get the point, which I could understand on the first count what with my fucking up.

It's another thing to simply reefute a claim that was never made, something you've been doing rather frequently.
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It's got to be Michaels in the ME against Cena. So what if it's face vs face. If it was going to be Trips vs Cena then everyone would have booed Cena out the fucking building anyway.
I think that's where they shit themselves again. I firmly believe that they were going to turn Cena in this feud with HHH.
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....might be to soon to send Punk vaulting up so far so fast but in the current state of wrestling I say, why the hell not?
I TOTALLY AGREE that it is too soon for him to be Main Eventing 'Mania and that was kind of the point I was making...however and with that said, LOOK AT WHO ELSE IS AVAILABLE! Would you rather watch Cena vs. Edge again? Or Cena vs. Batista? Cena vs. KHALI? Do any of those REALLY sound like a better choice? I'm saying that with the WWE in the toilet right now and arguably the biggest star in the company out of action THEY NEED SOMEONE NEW. They needed someone new anyway, but with trips down and out there is no better time than now.

As much as I can't stand Cena he seems to be okay with putting others over and even though I admit its too soon under ideal circumstances to put Punk, Kennedy, Carlito, Nitro, Benjamin, or any of those guys in the main event at 'Mania THIS IS NOT IDEAL CIRCUMSTANCES. Ratings suck, HHH is out, and its been years since something NEW happened. I think its beyond time to take the risk on somebody a little unproven and just see what can happen with them and how the crowd takes to them because honestly, things aren't going to get much worse.
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Yes, let's put CM Punk, who's been in WWE for like 3 weeks and beaten up primarily jobbers (UNDEFEATED AGAINST SCOTTY II HOTTY LAWLZ) And have him ME.
...and look at how insanely over he has gotten by steamrolling Shannon Moore and other bums.

This is a guy who out-popped DX at Survivor Series, the whole team is in the ring together, DX, Hardy Boyz, and CM Punk. Triple H has the mic and what is the crowd chanting?
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Old 01-09-2007, 05:22 PM   #58
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Old 01-09-2007, 08:05 PM   #59
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Vince would never allow a main event to be anythign other than a basic wrestling match, perhaps with no DQ, but I dont' think he'd ever allow for a TLC or cage or whatever type match.
Triple Threats and Fatal Fourways are just a variation of a basic singles match to try and get more star power, but even those are used rarely.
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Old 01-09-2007, 08:12 PM   #60
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Yes, let's put CM Punk, who's been in WWE for like 3 weeks and beaten up primarily jobbers (UNDEFEATED AGAINST SCOTTY II HOTTY LAWLZ) And have him ME.
Hell I'm probably the biggest Punk mark here and I don't think he's ready yet. In the eyes of WWE fans, he's some new guy whos beaten up a vampire, a punk poser, mike knox, and holly.

For Mania, I'd have Punk win MITB then move to RAW the next night.
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I wouldn't put Punk anywhere near the title picture (aside from the ECW title, since that means jack shit) until at least SummerSlam, and wouldn't let him have a shot until Survivor Series.
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I'd groom him for next years Wrestlemania. They should push Kennedy and perhaps Carlito this summer and fall.
The best thing for CM Punk would be to work a program with RVD, and have RVD put him over since they seem to want to job him out until his contract expires anyways. At least get something good out of it. With some great matches and a high profile fued, Punk would get a great rub.

Then, I'd have them book him as ECW's first new TV champion, and then have him run with the belt for a long time...all summer.

Heres how I'd move him to Raw, book him in some kind of loser leaves ECW match, or put him in a fued with Heyman or something. However they do it, have him jump to run in a big move and believable fashion.
When hes there...fued him with Jeff Hardy or Edge, or whoever the IC champion is and let him run with that.
On monday nights is where his popularity would grow if at all. By january they could have him groomed to win the Royal Rumlbe. Have him gun for the Raw title (HHH? Edge?) and wrap up his IC fued with him losing the belt as a result of the WWE champ interfering. Then he goes over at mania and they let him run for the summer.
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Old 01-09-2007, 08:57 PM   #63
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I think Carlito is the best guy suited to help out HBK with Orton and Edge. He's missing that thing to make people really care about him, and being with HBK would help him out.
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I think they're gonna just end DX vs Rated RKO. How much longer woudl it have gone anyways?
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Old 01-10-2007, 04:34 AM   #65
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You know they would have dragged it out as long as they could.
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Old 01-10-2007, 04:39 AM   #66
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Yea but I highly doubt they were going to continue the program into Wrestlemania. They would have obviously used those 4 names in some other capacity. And since theres not another Raw PPV until then, when would it have lasted to? A cage or hell in a cell or something at Royal Rumble, which they'd all be involved in the battle royal later as is.
I don't think this really hurts their plans for DX vs RKO, but it certainly hurts them for Wrestlemania and the cash cow they had in DX.
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Old 01-10-2007, 04:48 AM   #67
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I think a playboy evening gown match at WM would suffice don't you think?
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...and look at how insanely over he has gotten by steamrolling Shannon Moore and other bums.
Ummm...Retard? He was already over with the same folks he's over with now. He was getting huge pops at SS near his "home town" (Not literally, but in essence) after working in the business for nearly a decade? Wow. Fucking shocker.
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Hell I'm probably the biggest Punk mark here and I don't think he's ready yet. In the eyes of WWE fans, he's some new guy whos beaten up a vampire, a punk poser, mike knox, and holly.
A Punk fan without Rectal-Cranial inversion?
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Old 01-10-2007, 10:23 AM   #70
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Punk isn't ready. With that said, he'd be a FAR superior choice than Khali. I don't care how many 'high profile matches" Khali has had. He's shit in the ring, the fans aren't into him, and a few months ago, there were rumors of WWE dropping him because he was so horrible. At least if they use someone like Punk, they can make people actually CARE about the match.
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Old 01-10-2007, 03:12 PM   #71
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Old 01-10-2007, 04:18 PM   #72
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He was already over with the same folks he's over with now. He was getting huge pops at SS near his "home town" (Not literally, but in essence) after working in the business for nearly a decade? Wow. Fucking shocker.
Wasn't Survivor Series in Philadelphia? Philly is not all that close to Chicago for one...but Philly is a "smark" crowd so I'll give you the point for the argument that OF COURSE he's going to get popped big in the environment.

As for him being over with the same people as he was already...listen to his reactions because thats ALOT of people. If alot of people liked him in the first place, how is it diminishing that he is still over with all the same people? Does that mean that even though The Great Khali gets little to no reaction he's actually more over than Punk because Punk has only kept the same fan base?
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And again, as far as CM Punk really being READY for that environment...I SAID HE WASN'T!

AND AGAIN, however, would it really be WORSE than whats going on now?
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Punk isn't ready. With that said, he'd be a FAR superior choice than Khali. I don't care how many 'high profile matches" Khali has had. He's shit in the ring, the fans aren't into him, and a few months ago, there were rumors of WWE dropping him because he was so horrible. At least if they use someone like Punk, they can make people actually CARE about the match.
EXACTLY my point. Thank you.
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Okay I know this makes no sense at all, but if it could happen these are a few ideas for WM23. Only my opinion so bash me if you want. Just remember anything is better than what WWE is doing now, with the exception of Jimmy Wang Yang

Hogan vs. Austin-Main Event
Cena vs. Jericho-Hell Bring him in for Mania
Rock vs. HBK-See above
RVD+Sabu vs. Rated RKO-I'm sure RVD+Sabu are on their way out so job them out

Mike Tyson vs. Khali-Boxing Match
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Old 01-11-2007, 07:47 PM   #76
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Forgive me, but I haven't seen any 'insanely overness' for Punk. He's got a few moderate pops from the ECW audience, and obviously that thing in Philly, but is he REALLY as over as people say he is?

Feel free to correct me, and show vids etc, but I don't see it.
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Old 01-11-2007, 07:53 PM   #77
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Punk isn't ready. With that said, he'd be a FAR superior choice than Khali. I don't care how many 'high profile matches" Khali has had. He's shit in the ring, the fans aren't into him, and a few months ago, there were rumors of WWE dropping him because he was so horrible. At least if they use someone like Punk, they can make people actually CARE about the match.
I've said it before and I will say it again. Put Taker vs Cena label it " The championship vs the Undefeated streak" and trust me, people will care
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He's not because hes on ECW. He needs to be on Raw holding the IC title.
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Forgive me, but I haven't seen any 'insanely overness' for Punk. He's got a few moderate pops from the ECW audience, and obviously that thing in Philly, but is he REALLY as over as people say he is?

Feel free to correct me, and show vids etc, but I don't see it.
Did you watch Survivor Series? If anyone has a video of the beginning of that match please post. Anyway, here is the scene; Hardy Boys, DX, and CM Punk are in the ring. Triple H has the mic and is getting ready to do his usual thing but the crowd wont shut up with a "CM Punk" chant. Trips then uses it to spin Punk into his thing by having Punk ask "Are you ready?" The crowd chanted for him off and on through the match. Anyway, point being, he is in the ring with a freshly united Hardy Boyz and arguably the two biggest stars in the company and the crowd was chanting for him, not anyone else.
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Punk has an RVD2001-esque OVER feeling with the crowd. But if Vince didn't push RVD then, he's not gonna push Punk now.
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