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Old 01-10-2007, 03:41 AM   #41
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Old 01-10-2007, 06:02 AM   #42
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I shouldn't laugh and say 'I told you so, minutes after the big pop thing at Survivor Series and got laughed at by most people on this board....', but I told you so.

Punk won't even appear at Mania. He will draw no.4 in the Rumble and be eliminated by JTG.
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Old 01-10-2007, 06:04 AM   #43
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The one thing ECW had going for them was the way Punk was being pushed.
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Old 01-10-2007, 06:22 AM   #44
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The one thing ECW had going for them was the way Punk was being pushed.
A post I can reply to without abuse. Well done CC.

He hasn't been pushed since SS. You see, the WWE have mapped out plans for their next generation of big stars. Christian found that one out, and Punk is months - hell, probably years ahead of the McMahons schedule for him. Notice how after Heyman bites the dust, so does Punk - Heyman was big on Punk in the now. All the McMahons and their cronie writers are big on are Little Voice Lashley and Bobcore Holly. Punk's title push is at best, being saved for after Mania. Although the size of him, that push will probably be for the Cruiserweight Title on SD.
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Old 01-10-2007, 09:41 AM   #45
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I shouldn't laugh and say 'I told you so, minutes after the big pop thing at Survivor Series and got laughed at by most people on this board....', but I told you so.

Punk won't even appear at Mania. He will draw no.4 in the Rumble and be eliminated by Donald Trump.
Fixed. Anyway, I agree. But hey, I think we've established thta most of the smarks on this board are retarded. Remember Burchill? Remember the dozens of other people for that matter? Still, I can't help but remember how far Burchill was going to go, how Burchill was going to fly, how Burchill got to WWE, and his finisher was...A shoulder breaker into an armbar. And trying to make the best out of a bad situation, fanboys started going "OMG BEST ARMAR EVER! THAT WAS SICKKKKKKKKKKK!"

Serious learning disability.
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Old 01-10-2007, 12:15 PM   #46
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Me like-a da Burchill..

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Old 01-10-2007, 02:55 PM   #47
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Old 01-10-2007, 04:42 PM   #48
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Punk's gotta pay his dues. You know he can't expect to get pushed in his FIRST year since he's not a Brock Lesnar clone. I mean, goodness, Bobcore's been around jobber town for ages. You think a young nobody like Punk can get over Hardcore Holly? The guy's only behind The Undertaker in backstage senility longevity. That Punk's gotta pay his dues, dammit! No one under 6'4" and 275 lbs gets a free ride in the business! You have to suck Vince's cock spend years slowly building your way up before you get a chance at stardom! C.M. Punk clearly was caught making out with Stephanie hasn't done that yet, and that is why he has to do it the Johnny Ace hard way. Punk can't rest on his laurels just because he gets massively cheered everywhere a few fans are very vociferous. This year is MAKE IT OR BREAK IT just the start for him, and he's going to have to work for a long time before he makes it near the top!!
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Old 01-10-2007, 05:40 PM   #49
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Old 01-10-2007, 06:15 PM   #50
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Fixed. Anyway, I agree. But hey, I think we've established thta most of the smarks on this board are retarded. Remember Burchill? Remember the dozens of other people for that matter? Still, I can't help but remember how far Burchill was going to go, how Burchill was going to fly, how Burchill got to WWE, and his finisher was...A shoulder breaker into an armbar. And trying to make the best out of a bad situation, fanboys started going "OMG BEST ARMAR EVER! THAT WAS SICKKKKKKKKKKK!"

Serious learning disability.
His finisher was the C4. I want you to try and do a C4 and come back and tell me how easy it was.
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Old 01-10-2007, 07:10 PM   #51
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Talk about over reacting. Wrestling runs in programs, one match means shit. If Holly wins the feud however then you all might have a reason to make this thread.
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Old 01-10-2007, 07:34 PM   #52
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Old 01-10-2007, 07:36 PM   #53
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Burchill, the only thing I can remember about him was being dressed as a pirate at Wrestlemania. What was that about??
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Old 01-10-2007, 07:41 PM   #54
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His finisher was the C4. I want you to try and do a C4 and come back and tell me how easy it was.
When he came in, his finisher was "shoulder breaker into armbar."

I'm aware his finisher before that in the indies and after that was the C4. I'm also aware that your statement changes nothing, so I'm curious of the point. Paul Burchill was supposed to come into WWE and tear things up with his high-flying antics, and when the fanboys didn't get that, they defended what they did get--A guy who didn't fly, mostly brawled, and had a shite finisher--As though we were getting Ultimo Dragon, Kurt Angle, and Shawn Michaels rolled into one. It's got fuck all to do with the difficulty of the C-4, which is neither the finisher I was addressing, nor really the issue here.
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Old 01-10-2007, 08:32 PM   #55
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Old 01-10-2007, 08:35 PM   #56
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well joes loss to angle does not look so bad now, better to lose to him then holly, so in the thread whos bigger joe or punk, joe is bigger now.
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Old 01-10-2007, 08:42 PM   #57
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Was a big deal ever really made out of his streak? Is it the finality of his career? Are you really that shocked it happened?
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Old 01-10-2007, 08:44 PM   #58
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Was a big deal ever really made out of his streak? Is it the finality of his career? Are you really that shocked it happened?
Not at all. I called it 2 months ago. In fact, in my post I'm sure I mentioned Holly.

Remember kiddies, Eddie G was destroyed by Big Show a couple of months before winning the WWE title off Lesnar.

Hope that gives you all hope.
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Old 01-10-2007, 09:39 PM   #59
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It's not about the fact that Punk lost moreso the fact who he lost to and how.

Let's see...he lost to a middle aged never was mid-carder in Hardcore Holly. And he lost CLEAN to him. Punk hardly put up a fight near the end of the match.

You don't do that to a guy who clearly had more momentum on their side than most of the WWE roster currently has.
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Old 01-11-2007, 05:26 PM   #60
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Though I don't think he should have lost cleanly to Holly, I'm not really suprised. I mean, we all love Punk, but did anyone honestly expect them to keep him undefeated and climb right up to the championship? He lost a match and it will happen again. It shouldn't kill his heat. Losing a match cleanly here or there isn't the equivalent of jobbing out.
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Old 01-11-2007, 07:23 PM   #62
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Though I don't think he should have lost cleanly to Holly, I'm not really suprised. I mean, we all love Punk, but did anyone honestly expect them to keep him undefeated and climb right up to the championship? He lost a match and it will happen again. It shouldn't kill his heat. Losing a match cleanly here or there isn't the equivalent of jobbing out.
Careful Jeritron, you are contradicting yourself on seperate threads.

Perhaps he's a bit of an arrogant shit backstage? That would indicate why it was Bobcore Holly that he jobbed to. Had it been RVD or Lashley, then I doubt they'd be as much cafuffle about it.

If Trips is the Raw locker room leader, Taker the SD one, then I would say that since Heyman departed, Holly probably took over.
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Careful Jeritron, you are contradicting yourself on seperate threads.

Perhaps he's a bit of an arrogant shit backstage? That would indicate why it was Bobcore Holly that he jobbed to. Had it been RVD or Lashley, then I doubt they'd be as much cafuffle about it.

If Trips is the Raw locker room leader, Taker the SD one, then I would say that since Heyman departed, Holly probably took over.

What did I say in another thread? That he shouldn't lose? I'm saying they clearly have/and continue to fuck things up, but this single incident shouldn't destroy his career. He lost a match and it will happen again, whether or not it should be to Holly or not is another issue. I'll try and find what I said in another thread but I doubt its the opposite of that.
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Old 01-14-2007, 09:33 AM   #66
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What did I say in another thread? That he shouldn't lose? I'm saying they clearly have/and continue to fuck things up, but this single incident shouldn't destroy his career. He lost a match and it will happen again, whether or not it should be to Holly or not is another issue. I'll try and find what I said in another thread but I doubt its the opposite of that.
You said in the other thread that they were killing his heat and it was bad. You said in this thread that they weren't killing his heat and it was ok.

Obviously I've paraphrased a bit in the above.
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Okay, I really can't remember what I said but what I was trying to say here is that this one incident shouldn't kill his heat. I don't remember ever saying anything about it from before but if I did here's what I basically feel: This is stupid and they shouldn't kill his heat by continuing shit like this, but if its limited to this event and other periodic losses it shouldn't be catastrophic.
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Old 01-14-2007, 09:54 AM   #68
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I looked through that other thread and I only said that they were idiots and fucking up, but they weren't actually trying to sabotage him/themselves. It may have come off as wishy washy since I'm saying that its stupid and I dont agree with it, but also thinking that its not the end of the world and they're not actually TRYING to kill his heat.
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They just look small compared to his upper body. And it doesn't matter cause girl legs is going to win the title on tuesday.
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Good thing he went far, eh?
In my opinion, going far no longer requires the WWE. As far as I'm aware, he's still under contract and still returning when his knee is 100%, but even if they dump him a la Test, there's plenty more he can do in life.
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Gotta be honest, don't really give two shits about Punk at all, but burying him like this is criminal, especially when the guy is quite over, and solid in the ring.
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In my opinion, going far no longer requires the WWE. As far as I'm aware, he's still under contract and still returning when his knee is 100%, but even if they dump him a la Test, there's plenty more he can do in life.
Ah, so it was not actually a related comment. Good to know.
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I looked through that other thread and I only said that they were idiots and fucking up, but they weren't actually trying to sabotage him/themselves. It may have come off as wishy washy since I'm saying that its stupid and I dont agree with it, but also thinking that its not the end of the world and they're not actually TRYING to kill his heat.
It's against the ToS to hold two separate thoughts in your head, or to post them any time remotely close to one another. Your pennance is two "Our Jerichos" 15 "Hail Sabins" and one "Basham 3:16." And I will give you thins to ponder: Addressing two elements of the same issue separately is obviously contradictory, so you're doing it to be contrary.
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Gotta be honest, don't really give two shits about Punk at all, but burying him like this is criminal, especially when the guy is quite over, and solid in the ring.
I really have to ask this, if you don't mind.

Is one loss now burial, or is Punk just that horrible that he cannot recover from one loss? I'm just not sure which it is that people are arguing: The patently stupid, or the patently false.
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Nah, in regards to me, I guess it isn't the fact that he LOST, and I don't think it's a loss that he's incapable of recovering from, considering how much the crowd eats this guy up.

A lot of this may be a personal bias, since I loathe Hardcore Holly. I guess I just kind of feel that if they were going to make Punk lose cleanly to someone, they could make him lose to someone....I don't know...meaningful?

But this is the ECW brand after all. Meaningful is few and far between.
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It's against the ToS to hold two separate thoughts in your head, or to post them any time remotely close to one another. Your pennance is two "Our Jerichos" 15 "Hail Sabins" and one "Basham 3:16." And I will give you thins to ponder: Addressing two elements of the same issue separately is obviously contradictory, so you're doing it to be contrary.
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Nah, in regards to me, I guess it isn't the fact that he LOST, and I don't think it's a loss that he's incapable of recovering from, considering how much the crowd eats this guy up.

A lot of this may be a personal bias, since I loathe Hardcore Holly. I guess I just kind of feel that if they were going to make Punk lose cleanly to someone, they could make him lose to someone....I don't know...meaningful?

But this is the ECW brand after all. Meaningful is few and far between.
To sum up: You're overreacting, but you know you're overreacting.
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Ah, so it was not actually a related comment. Good to know.
Not really. Punk actually seems rather bland to me, whereas Paul has shown the ability to entertain. Even if you didn't like the pirate shtick, you have to admit he's willing do go for the show.

But, yeah, I was just stating random opinion inspired by your comparisson. that is all.
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Not really. Punk actually seems rather bland to me, whereas Paul has shown the ability to entertain. Even if you didn't like the pirate shtick, you have to admit he's willing do go for the show.

But, yeah, I was just stating random opinion inspired by your comparisson. that is all.
Actually, I like Paul. I liked him before WWE, and I liked him during the pirate gimmick. Despite what Loopy and company would have you believe (which is, evidently, that I hate everyone new who comes into WWE), I only belittled the notion that he was going to be an instant success, a high flying big man, etc. And when he entered WWE, his finisher wasn't the mighty C4, like people were insisting, it was an armbar, and he was more of a brawler than anything else.

I think he's got Charisma and talent. My only problem with him was the realism versus the multiple comments along the lines of "The C-4 will be awesome in WWE!" and such. I predicted he'd enter WWE with a shitty finisher that had no name, and I was right--Though it's hard to take pride in predicting something as common as the sun rising. I mean, WWE will find a way to tone down even Monty Brown. The Poooooooooounce! Is too dangerous.

To be honest, I'm shocked he even got to use the C-4. He's still not the über high-flying daredevil he was predicted to be, but that's just common sense.

So yeah. I'm not knocking the C-4, either, which Terran seems to think. I'm knocking this mentality that people still have that makes them insist that THIS time, so and so will be used just like he was in the indies.

It's nice to see the kids as excited at Christmas as they were last year, running down the steps to see hat Santa left for them. But after years of Screech Powers-Brand condoms and "The Best of Chyna" DVDs, that kind of enthusiasm does become a little...Odd.
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