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Old 01-13-2007, 06:43 PM   #41
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One thing I have noticed from games i used to watch of the MLS, it was a very pass orianted game, very few challanges and running with the ball, if that's still the cade, Backham should be able to clean up there, as he can't really go past players that well.
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Old 01-13-2007, 06:46 PM   #42
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If the Yanks want the game to succeed then they'll want someone who can do something different and impress them. Beckham will be fine in terms of the style of play, he's good enough to play there, but people simply will not be that impressed once they see what he is capable of.
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Old 01-13-2007, 06:49 PM   #43
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AC Milan wanted him and at 31 he could certainly cope with the pace of the Italian league. His talent has been in question for a while and he really could have proven there was more to him than marketing if he succeeded in the most technical league in Europe, while remaining involved in the Champions League.

He's also done fuck all for the game of football, rather than wonders. If anything, he's hurried along this shitty, decadent attitude with his famous for fuck all wife and ludicrous exposure.

He has far too much money in relation to his talent. He ceased being a proper footballer long ago. It's partially his fault the England team now is a bloated, overrated mess with the embarassing WAGS in tow.
As I already said though, what has he got to prove? He's won the champs league already. If you were him and you had the choice of moving your family to a new country where you didn't speak the language or know the culture or moving to a place where you knew the language and the culture and already had roots, plus for more money.

Where would you go? And Sven is the only person to blame for England, it's not Dave's fault is Sven picked him all the time is it? I admit that Beckham's best years are behind him, he hasn't really been the same since he left United, but even an off form Beckham is still better than most players in his posistion and on his day is the best passer in the modern game
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I'd go to AC Milan. I am a fan of football, I'd want the chance to play for one of the biggest teams in the world. MLS can wait one or two years while I play in one of the top leagues for one of the biggest teams around. A chance to challenge for Serie A and the Champions League again after years of people putting doubt on my ability.

However David Beckham is friends with Elton John and Tom Cruise and his kids have stupid fucking names. He's already got enough money to live like a king for the rest of his life.

David Beckham is partially to blame for the state of the England team, Sven being the other person at fault for allowing Beckham to have too much influence over the running of the side off the field.
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I should also note that this 250 million isn't all on playing alone, it's also on loads of other merchandise deals.

So in conclusion, Beckham doesn't owe anyone anything, he's done wonders for the game and does a shitload of work for disadvantaged kids and charities. It's obvious the guy loves America, I hope he's happy there.
He done wonders for the game in the past when he was at united, sure, but what has he done since? I personally think he's the most overrated player in the history of the game tbh.
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I wouldn't call him the most overrated player, really, most people in football have always rated him as a very good player but never the best. The amount of attention he gets is definitely way out of proportion to his talent. Ronaldinho is an exceedingly overrated player and watching one of his normal games is enough to notice that.

It is a scandal that Beckham was making it into the top 3 of World and European player of the year votes while Roy Keane and Paul Scholes weren't even making the top 25.
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^ The reason I say that is cause of the amount he's going to get payed, i don't see what he's done to deserve that much over the last few years. Sitting on the bench at real madrid shouldn't get you a $250million deal, I know that's not all in playing terms, but that's not the point.
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Considering the revenue he brings to the clubs, it's probably only fair he received a large slice of it. It's better that than it going into the pockets of faceless club directors who've done nothing more than have the wit to sign an idol.
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But why does he get that much revenue? That's what confuses me.
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Frank Lampard is far more overrated than Beckham I'd say. Jose Mourinho had the nerve to say he's the best player in the world, and obviously UEFA agreed, that he and Ronaldinho got 1 and 2 ahead of Gerrard is a fucking travesty, and I'm and Everton fan
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Beckham's success is down to good looks, a hot and world famous wife, the fact that he played for the biggest club in the world and ofcourse wealth, wealth brings fame on its own.
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Lampard is far better than Beckham, Lampard was the best player in the league last year.
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Gerrard is superior in almost everyway to Lampard
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Even if that is the case, how does that make Lampard overrated?
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Well I said it, he is not the second best player in England, let alone Europe or the world. Chelsea have a near flawless squad even if you take away half of their regulars, Lampard never defends and does little in the way of play making, he clogs up the middle of the field and takes set pieces and penalties but thats basically it. Gerrard on the other hand is undoubtedly the driving force of Liverpool, he can dictate an entire game, he defends, he hustles, he strikes the ball as good as almost anyone, and his passing skills are superb, he knows a guy is making a run before the guy himself does. Also he has to deal with shit like Luis Garcia, nuf said!
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I think you missed out how good Lampard can be at scoring from outside the area, that can be crucial when Chelsea are struggling and has got them out of trouble a number of times. I agree that Gerrard is better, just don't think Lampard is as overrated as Beckham.
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Lampard is not significantly better than a lot of players at having a go from outside the area. Give most players with a half decent shot as many rediculously greedy shots as Lampard and they'd score too
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Lampard wasn't the best player in the Premiership last year anyway. Maybe the season before.

Samuel Eto'o and Deco should at least have been in the top 3 of any and all polls for the top players in Europe over the past 2 seasons, seeing as they've been the two best players in the best and most successful team.
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^ Check the stats, he was the best midfielder i meant. I agree with him being too greedy though.
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lol Beckham will generate interest and attendance will increase for about two months. Then, all but the hardcore mls faithful will lose interest and stop watching. Many times over the years, great well known players have come to america to similar fanfare, and had similar results to what I predicted above. MLS is going to lose a lot of money in the long-run imo.

Secondly, at this stage in his career, I'm willing to bet that there are several players in the MLS that will outshine him.
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I the the US national team's success is as crucial to football growing in the states as anything in the MLS., and lets face it, the US team last year were a complete shambles
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lol Beckham will generate interest and attendance will increase for about two months. Then, all but the hardcore mls faithful will lose interest and stop watching. Many times over the years, great well known players have come to america to similar fanfare, and had similar results to what I predicted above. MLS is going to lose a lot of money in the long-run imo.

Secondly, at this stage in his career, I'm willing to bet that there are several players in the MLS that will outshine him.
This basically being the prime of his career?
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lol prime of his career? You are joking right?

Either way, I doubt any of the MLS players will be able to match his dead ball skills, or the passing skills which ECG seems to have severely underrated. If they do, well I'm surprised they're not playing in Europe.
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^ Check the stats, he was the best midfielder i meant. I agree with him being too greedy though.
Scholes and Gerrard both have Lampard over a barrell. Questionable if hes even Chelseas best midfielder. Certainly not in their top 3 playes at the moment. I'd much rather have Cech, Terry and the Drog in my side than him.
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Hes not flashy enough to be recognised for what he does by your average American I'd wager though
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lol prime of his career? You are joking right?

Either way, I doubt any of the MLS players will be able to match his dead ball skills, or the passing skills which ECG seems to have severely underrated. If they do, well I'm surprised they're not playing in Europe.
Only coming to the end of the prime of his career now. Could still easily do a huge job for a big club and England
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People are vastly uninformed about how much money the MLS is actually paying Beckham. I'm pretty sure they are paying him like $10 million per season, might not even be that much. Sure, it is much more than anybody else in the league, but the MLS is not paying Beckham $50 million per year.

Like Hero said, Beckham is the guy that they had to bring in. Like ECG said, it might have been better for Beckham to go to Milan for a couple years first, but this is better for the MLS, so that's what I care about.

I had the same concerns that ECG had, that Beckham's style isn't going to attract people like somebody say Ronaldinho, but I don't think that matters. Beckham is the biggest name, and everything following him will be massive. So when people like Fignutz say that Beckham's appeal will only be temporary, I have to disagree.

1. When the Galaxy play a given away match, lets say that an average of 2,000 people who never would have gone to an MLS game before decide to go. If these 2,000 people went to a random game, it is less likely that they would be back. But since they will be going to a game that will no doubt have a lot of media coverage and a higher rate of fans, they are guaranteed a better atmosphere. I really don't think David Beckham himself is the reason why this should help the MLS. I don't think one player is ever overly exciting to watch, for that matter. But having him around creates an excitement that will get people to the games, and then there is a good chance that people will come back.

One thing people don't seem to notice is that some MLS teams have very good followings, they just aren't big followings. When I see MLS on TV, I can sit and watch Chivas USA play at home, even without knowing the players, because you can tell the fans are making it exciting. If they can expose that atmosphere to people who never would have seen it before, then it will be a success in the long run.

2. This opens the doors for other players to come over. I don't expect the world's best players to come over, not do I expect a lot of foreign players to come over. But Beckham is the biggest name they could possibly get, and now you continue to add. Dallas FC is going to be getting Edgar Davids, Red Bull New York is going to be getting Claudio Reyna, I don't believe it, but there is still faith that Zidane will come over. Brian McBride will be playing for Chicago Fire within the next couple years, Kasey Keller will be back soon as well. Once every team has some sort of marquee player, it will make it a lot easier to connect with the league. As I've said before, I am very interested in the league, but oftentimes it is hard to follow because so many teams have unknown players. Edgar Davids, Claudio Reyna and David Beckham are a start, and I think they can help MLS grow, albiet they are still very far from even NHL in popularity.
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I do think US players returning after making a name in Europe will help, that starts putting players in there who those outside of the US might be interested in.

Someone like Edgar Davids is perfect too, he's still pretty capable and lets face it he's a character, instantly recogniseable! And thats what they want, big names and big characters, thats what will attract interest initially, people who don't know the game will simply not appreciate what someone like Paul Scholes does when he's not scoring, simple as.
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Scholes and Gerrard both have Lampard over a barrell. Questionable if hes even Chelseas best midfielder. Certainly not in their top 3 playes at the moment. I'd much rather have Cech, Terry and the Drog in my side than him.
Terry has proven with his absence that they are very dodgy without him.

And Scholes is the current player of the season in my mind, such a shame that Sven pissed him off and he doesn't want to play for England anymore, he would be a tremendous assett
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Joleon Lescott has clearly been the best player of the season thus far
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Even being a Chelsea supporter, after the World Cup I just really don't like Lampard.

But at this point, the MLS has to sell an image, not a top quality game. If they could get a team to do well in a bigger competition, it would help too, but nobody cares about the US Cup or whatever, but that World Club Championships in Japan could be in reach.
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Kind of an off topic, but I was reading something the other day about Mourinho and all that drama, and it was saying that one of the things that he was upset about was that they didn't make a move to sign Oguchi Onyewu to help fill the gap when Terry got injured.

I just had to think, Onyewu doesn't have a big status in the US by any means yet, he has played in Europe most, if not all of his career, and he didn't have a great showing in the World Cup IMO, but I would have liked to see an American player on Chelsea.

I think that is another thing that would greatly improve the standing of US soccer, to have a real superstar player. Onyewu wouldn't be a superstar, but if he could get minutes on Chelsea's first team, you can market that. It was a pretty big deal when Tim Howard joined Man U, but that didn't work out. If the US could get a big player in Europe, I think that would really help boost the image in the US. Too bad Fulham is awful.
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Beckham this week sealed a £128million five-year deal to move to the US with Major League Soccer side LA Galaxy, a switch that will take place after his contract with Real Madrid ends this summer. 'Had Beckham stayed in Europe, he would have joined AC Milan,' Galliani told Gazzetta dello Sport.
From a soccer standpoint, I think Beckham should have gone to Milan. This could have backfired, I mean he is slowing down with Madrid already, so if he loses a lot in the next couple years it would not work out well with the MLS. I think this is a good year for the MLS, because it is after the World Cup, and he was just in it. If it was before the World Cup and he wasn't on the England squad, his credibility would have been real low.

Also, Milan doesn't exactly seem to be on the fast track for success right now. They almost seem like a Madrid side, with a lot of old players just waiting to expire. Cafu, Maldini, Seedorf, shit I can't remember who else is on their team, but it seems like they have a lot of older players, and they seem to be struggling in Serie A this season.
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Scholes and Gerrard both have Lampard over a barrell. Questionable if hes even Chelseas best midfielder. Certainly not in their top 3 playes at the moment. I'd much rather have Cech, Terry and the Drog in my side than him.

I was going by last year, not this year. And im going by stats from the fantasy football league i was in last year, lampard was at the top, probably cause he played more.
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As far as Tim Howard goes BC, United might not've worked out but he's pretty much been our MVP this year, simply unbelievable all in all, only problem is no one cares about Everton except Everton fans and Liverpool fans, and they only care about beating us
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See that's what I mean. If there was an American having mainstream success in Europe, I think it would make it a lot more marketable. I think that is why Freddy Adu looks to be such a letdown. He was everybodies hope to be that player. Landon Donovan has the skill to be a better player on a mid-tier Premiership team, but for the most part only our goalies seem to be able at this point.
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lol prime of his career? You are joking right?

Either way, I doubt any of the MLS players will be able to match his dead ball skills, or the passing skills which ECG seems to have severely underrated. If they do, well I'm surprised they're not playing in Europe.
Beckham's passing is one-dimensional. It's always long, raking balls from right to left. They rarely come off. His talent is extremely narrow without his exceptional fitness and work rate: he can hit consistently brilliant crosses.

Even his free kicks don't happen that often.
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I know you were referring to ct2k, but I will reiterate my point in a more compact fashion..

I don't think the MLS is banking on Beckham's skill bringing people in, but rather his celebrity getting people interested and making for a more exciting product.
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A lot of older players in the European game will definitely be sitting up and taking notice, seeing the kind of money Beckham is getting
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Well, technically there are only 13 players in the MLS who will be allowed to make more than a couple hundred thousand US dollars. Still though, for players like Beckham who have won some and are probably done internationally, it would have it's benefits as a place to retire.

Aren't there middle eastern teams that are willing to pay even more for these guys though? Figo and Battistuta stick out.
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