Can't be fucked going into the Royal Rumble topic...

[AdrianM]

Originally Posted by KingofOldSchool I only watch because of CM Punk HBK Carlito King Booker London/Kendrick Edge Randy Orton (sometimes) RVD Cryme Tyme Mickie James (yes, a female)

This is the same list that alot of smarks have, i think the issue is:

CM Punk - clean lost to Hardcore Holly (possibly in the process of getting buried)
HBK - is starting to look good again after a shit run with DX
Carlito - buried to hell!
King Booker - buried after a good reign as champion
London/Kendrick - meh, tag champs but who are the challengers to them?
Edge - great title reign, then lost in his hometown in his favourite match (partially buried)
Randy Orton - had a great (IMO) feud with taker, which took him...hmmm, no where. Only just getting back to where he should be after being buried.
RVD - completetly buried
Cryme Tyme - fuck it, I hate cryme tyme
Mickie James - did nothing for months following her title loss to Trish.



I watch WWE for those guys too, but also:
Chris Benoit - US champ, but consistenly buried now
Gregory Helms - JBL constantly puts him over, but he still never wins!
Matt Hardy - meh, he'll neve do anything now
Chavo Guerrero - I can't believe the wya they have just dropped chavo after such a big program with Rey Mysterio.
Kevin Thorne- isn't doing much
Shelton Benjamin - I hate the way he has been treated/
Charlie Haas - could have had a great feud with Shelton but instead, has done nothing
Victoria - possibly the most buried person on all the rosters
Ken Kennedy - doing well

The guys who should be getting pushed just aren't

[tucsonspeed6]

I honestly don't see what was so bad about the Rumble.

[Inadequacy]

Originally Posted by tucsonspeed6 I honestly don't see what was so bad about the Rumble.

I am so happy I don't have to be the first one to say that, the last few minutes with HBK and 'Taker were good, I figured either way they're both going to headline Mania, but I was still on the edge of my seat waiting to see who would win.

Really I was only disappointed by how the ECW title match ended and the fact that the Hardy's won.

I'm genuinely entertained by Alienoid calling all those people (who he's never met) bitches, and then going on to bitch about what they've done, I think hypocrisy is funny.

Most of you are complaining about the WWE, but seriously, do you think you could do better? I'm not saying I like the job Vince has been doing recently, but he's been doing it for so long now he has to be running out of gas, no one can stay great forever (except George Carlin).

[El Fangel]

Originally Posted by Inadequacy I am so happy I don't have to be the first one to say that, the last few minutes with HBK and 'Taker were good, I figured either way they're both going to headline Mania, but I was still on the edge of my seat waiting to see who would win. Really I was only disappointed by how the ECW title match ended and the fact that the Hardy's won. I'm genuinely entertained by Alienoid calling all those people (who he's never met) bitches, and then going on to bitch about what they've done, I think hypocrisy is funny. Most of you are complaining about the WWE, but seriously, do you think you could do better? I'm not saying I like the job Vince has been doing recently, but he's been doing it for so long now he has to be running out of gas, no one can stay great forever (except George Carlin).

Yes they will both headline Mania, that was a bit obvious Its Taker, nuff said, as for Micheals, he always has a good WM match if he is on the active roster, his WM20 match was great even though he lost.

I was dissapointed by the ECW Match, but more so over the WWE title, I mean c'mon Vince gave away Cenas win, when he said that he wouldn't see Cena with the belt much longer, and Cena being the one who relentlessly defies the odds and keeps the title for 90%+ of two years, would obviously wi n it. They need to get the title away from him, and as for the Hardyz as much markish I am towards them, yes they should have lost.

I am not even going to get into hypocrisy with you.

You me, and the rest of the world will likely never know if we would be better at running WWE, so Im not going to argue that topic, but If anyone says that they would take the title off Cena, push Carlito to ME, and fix ECW. and made it happen yes it would be better, then the current state its in.

[Inadequacy]

Originally Posted by Fallen Angel Yes they will both headline Mania, that was a bit obvious Its Taker, nuff said, as for Micheals, he always has a good WM match if he is on the active roster, his WM20 match was great even though he lost. I was dissapointed by the ECW Match, but more so over the WWE title, I mean c'mon Vince gave away Cenas win, when he said that he wouldn't see Cena with the belt much longer, and Cena being the one who relentlessly defies the odds and keeps the title for 90%+ of two years, would obviously wi n it. They need to get the title away from him, and as for the Hardyz as much markish I am towards them, yes they should have lost. I am not even going to get into hypocrisy with you. You me, and the rest of the world will likely never know if we would be better at running WWE, so Im not going to argue that topic, but If anyone says that they would take the title off Cena, push Carlito to ME, and fix ECW. and made it happen yes it would be better, then the current state its in.

Actually, Taker being Taker doesn't make it 'nuff said, he hasn't main-evented Mania in years, Michaels hasn't since 2004. In your face BOOYAKASHA! (just kiddin buddy)

I never said I wasn't hypocritical, I just said I find hypocrisy funny. And when you think about it WWE is a business, sure its a wrestling business but it's a business all the same. They push Cena ahead of everyone because he sells the most junk. I used to pretty much be the second in command of the "BLARGH! CENA SUCKS MONKEY-BUTT!" club, but I've gotten over that. Yes, I want him to drop the title to see someone new, but it could be worse.

I shudder to think how many of you would be complaining non-stop if we were in the Middle of Bruno Sammartino's EIGHT YEAR reign.

[darkpower]

Originally Posted by Inadequacy Actually, Taker being Taker doesn't make it 'nuff said, he hasn't main-evented Mania in years, Michaels hasn't since 2004. In your face BOOYAKASHA! (just kiddin buddy) I never said I wasn't hypocritical, I just said I find hypocrisy funny. And when you think about it WWE is a business, sure its a wrestling business but it's a business all the same. They push Cena ahead of everyone because he sells the most junk. I used to pretty much be the second in command of the "BLARGH! CENA SUCKS MONKEY-BUTT!" club, but I've gotten over that. Yes, I want him to drop the title to see someone new, but it could be worse. I shudder to think how many of you would be complaining non-stop if we were in the Middle of Bruno Sammartino's EIGHT YEAR reign.

There would be a difference. Bruno would actually have some TALENT to make us GIVE A SHIT!!

[Testicle]

Originally Posted by tucsonspeed6 I honestly don't see what was so bad about the Rumble.

[AdrianM]

Originally Posted by tucsonspeed6 I honestly don't see what was so bad about the Rumble.

me neither.

my little rant was about the WWE in general.

As far as the rumble match itself, I thought it was good (like always). I liked Kennedy VS Batista, Umaga VS Cena was entertaining, i missed the first match, but the ECW title match was horrible!

[leno40]

Originally Posted by tucsonspeed6 I honestly don't see what was so bad about the Rumble.

Nothing, really. But this is the internet, and it's an internet fan's job to shit on everything. Don't tell me you thought smarks would stop bitching just because the PPV was excellent?

McMahon could announce tomorrow that WM would feature a Shelton Benjamin vs. William Regal vs. Paul London main event for the world title, and you'd hear nothing but belly-aching over it. Granted, no one but the few dozen people who visit this board would care about such a match, but what do those people know? Wrestling fans don't watch for interesting characters or compelling storylines, they want 40 minute displays of technical wrestling! And I'm sure ROH will be toppling WWE any day now.

[darkpower]

Originally Posted by leno40 Nothing, really. But this is the internet, and it's an internet fan's job to shit on everything. Don't tell me you thought smarks would stop bitching just because the PPV was excellent? McMahon could announce tomorrow that WM would feature a Shelton Benjamin vs. William Regal vs. Paul London main event for the world title, and you'd hear nothing but belly-aching over it. Granted, no one but the few dozen people who visit this board would care about such a match, but what do those people know? Wrestling fans don't watch for interesting characters or compelling storylines, they want 40 minute displays of technical wrestling! And I'm sure ROH will be toppling WWE any day now.

Dude, that has absolutly NOTHING to do with the complaints. Your proposed match would be the shit, but that isn't what we're talking about. It's one thing to be sports-entertainment and get away with it. We want the WWE to do well. However, it's another thing entirely to have Vince insult our own intelligence with shitty match after shitty match, and kill the actual decent talent by making them look like shit to those that can't wrestle worth a fuck and then act like their God or something backstage. When you have Cena main event EVERY SINGLE PPV RAW HAS BEEN A PART OF and having the SAME EXACT TYPE OF BUILD UP to the title match only to have Cena win every single time, you tend to get the feeling that they are going to the exact same well as if it'll magically stop being bone dry.

We don't want a 40 minute technical style wrestling match. We want a halfway DECENT style SHOW!!

[Kane Knight]

Then keep watching.

Alienoid and others have given very valid reasons, though.

[Kane Knight]

Using the above lists, BTW:

CM Punk - Hate this bastard.
HBK - Is phenomenal, but being a guy who's likely a couple years or an injury away from retiring and being the best thing on the fucking roster is bad.
Carlito - Can't see him ever being taken seriously.
King Booker - He lost me with the King Booker gimmick.
London/Kendrick - Like Adrian said, they're champs. So what? I love these guys to pieces, but they're poorly booked.
Edge - I can see him as WWE champion. I just don't really care.
Randy Orton - a Legit star despite his obvious weakness in ring.
RVD - Fucked himself over. I feel no pity for him.
Cryme Tyme - They were amusing for like two segments, then the single joke wore off on me. I know the smarktard thing to do is to laugh at the same joke over and over again, but I can't stand one dimensional gimmicks.
Mickie James - Woman, 'Nuff said.

Chris Benoit - Even at his highest, he was used as a placeholder.
Gregory Helms - I'd love to see Helms used better. But I won't.
Matt Hardy - He's fucked.
Chavo Guerrero - Another awesome guy who gets a pereneal semi-push. Never goes anywhere.
Kevin Thorne- Hate the fucker.
Shelton Benjamin - Plenty of potential, but he's not ready to ME yet. He always manages to shoot himself in the foot.
Charlie Haas - Great wrestler. Great in comedy angles (Though that's almost as easy as being a great heel when you're Canadian or Arabic...). Combine those two.
Victoria - WOMAN.
Ken Kennedy - Not enough to get me to watch.

Also, I'm a fan of Scotty (Not so much the gimmick, but the energy he puts into it. Plus, being from Maine, he's the closest I'll likely have to a hometown hero EVER... Not many superstars out of Vermont.), and a few others. IT's just not enough to keep me watching, when I know what's gonna go down.

[Jeritron]

Yea, I grade the rumble as mediocre or as I've said "solid except for a few thigns that piss me off"...but I can't sit here and defend it or the WWE. Alienoid is right and the frustration has been building in me for a long time and I got really fed up last night.

[KingofOldSchool]

To each their own.

I can go off on my own tirade about the product, but it won't change anything.

[redoneja]

I dunno. I used to take wrestling "serious" and all. Maybe if I still did I would be upset like some of you.

[McLegend]

Originally Posted by redoneja I dunno. I used to take wrestling "serious" and all. Maybe if I still did I would be upset like some of you.

lol I remember when someone said something bad about technical wrestling or something and then you flamed them.

Good times

[Evil Vito]

Honestly I didn't think the Rumble was all that bad. I'm almost willing to bet Taker gets the Rey treatment and has his match earlier on the card so they can let Cena main event WM again

But yeah the product is obviously bad. I more than likely won't be getting Mania. Basically the only thing left that I watch is Raw. Sure its shit but lately its had its moments. Also I generally have nothing else to watch on a Monday night. I almost never watch ECW, and I don't watch Smackdown either unless I happen to be home on a Friday (which is almost never).

It can just be summarized in one word: Meh

[redoneja]

lol yea I remember that too. Gonna go find that actually. When I first came here I was all serious about shit like that. Now I'm just like :meh: whatever.

[Xero]

Yeah, aside from the ECW title match, which I'm sure almost everyone will agree was bullshit, I would say this was a really good PPV. Compared to recent WWE events it's Godly, but in the big picture, it was a really good show.

They set up a few matches for Mania, seemingly kept the Hardyz/MNM feud going and refrained from making Kennedy look too weak. (I'm glad they didn't put it on him.) And really, the Last Man Standing match was really good despite the outcome. There were times when I honestly thought Umaga had it and for brawl standards it was great and innovative, especially with the rope spot.

As I've said before, the Rumble match was pretty great. There were some great spots like Shelton (I believe) staying in by holding onto the BOTTOM rope and as I've raved in the past the ending was spectacular.

No, I'm not just saying this, aside from the ECW title match I really wish their product was up to the standards this event was.

[Blue Demon]

I used to go out of my way to watch Raw, and within the past year I tihnk I may have watched MAYBE 10...out of 52? And as someone who's been a wrestling fan for about 18 years that's saying something...

[Kane Knight]

Hey, remember when all the internet smarks were marking out over the Rock, Austin and Triple H?

Yeah. Oh well, I guess they shit on everything.

[Xero]

We do shit on a lot of stuff that shouldn't get shit, though.

[El Fangel]

You know Inad, he does have a very valid point.

By the way thanks for saving me from Cena mark-dom

[addy2hotty]

Back on topic a tad, I thought the Rumble was pretty standard.

The other matches all pretty much sucked ass, and only the format and extended ending of the Rumble match was anything like interesting. Seems like only one storyline for Mania other than the title situations has come out of this and that is Bookaaah and Kane. What the fuck? It's no Michaels/Angle or Goldberg/Brock.

The Great Khali managed to give one of the most embarrassing performances I've ever seen, those headbutts had me laughing myself stupid. Then he goes on to eliminate most of the WWE's midcard with ease. Wonderful.

[Jaded-Dragon]

As I watched the Cena vs Umaga match I couldn't help but think of the phrase "Insulting your intelligence". Knowing that Cena wuld win aside, when Estrada pulled out a LED PIPE to loosed the turnbuckle, just to tell Umaga to pick it up and hit Cena with it.... Yeah wtf.

Kennedy vs Tista I thought was surprisingly good. I love Kennedy, and I knew he wouldn't win, be he came off looking like a real threat.

ECW title match - crap.

Tag team match, not bad, in fact I liked it.

The Rumble match itself. Not at all exciting untill the last 2 minutes. Even then, not as exciting as past Rumbles. Is it sad that he final two came down to two guys that have been in the WWE longer than anyone else in the locker room, and that both of them are on the last leg of their careers?

[the Illusionist]

wow, and I thought I was bitter. so you went from unbiased to one sided, nice. alot of what you said is true, if not stupid.

p.s, how does TNA not do the exact same thing? they call Bound For Glory thet biggest wrestling event of all time, and actually make rivalries as in announcing them, not settling.