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Old 02-03-2007, 12:20 PM   #41
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I always thought Meng's Tongan Deathgrip was a pretty ridiculous submission move. It was LOL worthy even as a 10 year old kid.
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Old 02-03-2007, 12:23 PM   #42
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SHARPSHOOTERS
Benoits Sharpshooter is very good - Brets was the best, Owen was a very very close match (it just lacked having that, ITS OVER feel that Bret's had)
Beniot's is 3rd. Rock and trish are tied at the 100th position for the worse sharpshooter..

Michaels is also terrible at it - look at the SS97 montreal match Bret actually had to feed him the correct leg.


Owen could put that indian deathlock onto someone in a split second unlike HHH.

The shittiest Stunner i ever saw was when steve 'nailed' linda mcmohan with it.
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Old 02-03-2007, 12:49 PM   #43
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Please explain why Benoit's sharpshooter is worse than Rock's.
because it never looks like it is "cinched in". it does not appear to be putting any pressure on the lower back (or legs really for that matter). Benoit looks like he may fall face forward at any moment and that he is always struggling to just maintain the hold, let alone apply pressure to his apponent.

the Rock's sharpshooter was considerably better in the areas i mentioned above, plus, the Rock was much smoother (seemed to struggle less) in the the application of the hold.

keep in mind, i dont say this out of disrespect or dislike for Chris Benoit. i just think that he has the worst looking sharpshooter in the business, where you would expect it to be the best, second only to Bret Hart.
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Old 02-03-2007, 01:11 PM   #44
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Old 02-03-2007, 01:26 PM   #45
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because it never looks like it is "cinched in". it does not appear to be putting any pressure on the lower back (or legs really for that matter). Benoit looks like he may fall face forward at any moment and that he is always struggling to just maintain the hold, let alone apply pressure to his apponent.

the Rock's sharpshooter was considerably better in the areas i mentioned above, plus, the Rock was much smoother (seemed to struggle less) in the the application of the hold.

keep in mind, i dont say this out of disrespect or dislike for Chris Benoit. i just think that he has the worst looking sharpshooter in the business, where you would expect it to be the best, second only to Bret Hart.
You never noticed that Rock STANDS when it's in? There's no pressure to the back whatsoever.
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Old 02-03-2007, 01:54 PM   #46
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Old 02-03-2007, 01:57 PM   #47
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I'm going to be completely honest, I don't see anything wrong with any of them. Brets is obviously the best for a variety of reasons, but I certainly don't see anything wrong with Owen's or Benoits, and Rock's is fine.
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Old 02-03-2007, 02:23 PM   #48
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Benoits looks painful.
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Old 02-03-2007, 02:48 PM   #49
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Bret and Owen dont simply cross the legs though..ever watch Bret apply it..he takes one leg and bends it all the way downwards and crosses them near the shin..he then plants himself firmly in a seated position so that movement from his opponent is pretty much impossible. That's why it was a FINISHER. These other guys like Benoit even dont apply it as a finisher most of the time, and then end up starting to stand so that they can walk backwards and allow their opponents to grab the ropes.

Austin employed a few sharpshooters too.
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Old 02-03-2007, 06:40 PM   #50
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You never noticed that Rock STANDS when it's in? There's no pressure to the back whatsoever.
true. but if you look at the images posted by jura, note the image of Benoit with SCSA in the sharpshooter. that is the exact image that comes to mind when i think of Benoit's sharpshooter.

and yeah, seeing those pics, the Rock's is pretty bad too. but i think that 90 percent of the time, that third pic of Benoit's is pretty accurate.
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Old 02-03-2007, 06:45 PM   #51
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The only reason it looks like that is because Austin is crawling. You expect him to have his full weight on him AND allow Austin to crawl? It only looks like that when whoever is in it is crawling.
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Old 02-03-2007, 11:38 PM   #52
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okay. fair enough. but all i'm sayin' is:

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90 percent of the time, that third pic of Benoit's is pretty accurate.
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Old 02-03-2007, 11:57 PM   #53
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Thats only when someones crawling, like Xero said. It has to be done for the compettitor to crawl to the ropes, same with Brets. The pictures just don't show a pic from that situation with Bret.
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Old 02-04-2007, 01:00 AM   #54
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No the proper name is Native American Deathlock
Aboriginal Deathlock
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Old 02-04-2007, 01:09 AM   #55
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Old 02-04-2007, 02:11 AM   #56
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it's not even a submission move.

It led to pinfalls and tap outs. I definitely remember Buff Bagwell tapping out to it.
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Old 02-04-2007, 02:12 AM   #57
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Just another reason why Owen was the man.
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Old 02-04-2007, 02:59 AM   #58
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It led to pinfalls and tap outs. I definitely remember Buff Bagwell tapping out to it.
99.9999% of the time it was a quick nerve hold used to gain a pinfall.

I don't actually remeber it ever eing a submission hold but I suppose I'll take you word for it.

Either way it's a badass little move
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Old 02-04-2007, 03:18 AM   #59
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DO people actually have to submit to make it a submission hold? I'm mean:

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99.9999% of the time it was a quick nerve hold used to gain a pinfall.
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Old 02-04-2007, 03:45 PM   #60
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Thats only when someones crawling, like Xero said. It has to be done for the compettitor to crawl to the ropes, same with Brets. The pictures just don't show a pic from that situation with Bret.

Not at all the same with Bret. When Bret applied it he always applied it excellently and smoothly. It was locked in man without any movement. Because it was a finisher when he used it. How many times has Benoit finished anyone off with it? If he isnt gonna finish his opponents with it, he may as well just not apply it.
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Just another reason why Owen was the man.

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DO people actually have to submit to make it a submission hold? I'm mean:

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I call it more of a pinning hold than a submission move. Maybe I'm just calling a flower une fleur though *shrugs*
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Old 02-05-2007, 05:29 AM   #63
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Not at all the same with Bret. When Bret applied it he always applied it excellently and smoothly. It was locked in man without any movement. Because it was a finisher when he used it. How many times has Benoit finished anyone off with it? If he isnt gonna finish his opponents with it, he may as well just not apply it.

How many times has Benoit won the Sharpshooter? Enough for his version to be seen as a match ender. And Triple H and Micheals come to mind as Benoit's Sharpshooter victims. Why is it not always the match ender? Maybe to add, I dunno, DRAMA to the match.
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when bret put the sharpshooter on the match was over. Rock pussyfied it..why was he even using it? I can understand Benoit n trish (canadian people )
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