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Old 02-14-2007, 08:26 AM   #41
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Well, this is a thread where we were discussing ECW's ratings. I then made a sarcastic comment about ECW D2D being the equivalent of a 3-hour Velocity on PPV. You then said something about TNA, and then about me hating the #1 company.
And yet, the company here is WWE.

So no matter what you say, there was no reason for you to believe this was really about ECW alone, or that anyone thought ECW was the #1 company.
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Old 02-14-2007, 08:35 AM   #42
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And I constantly bash WWE in general because I hate their product right now. I haven't seen one thing worth watching in several months, and I can't even think of a single upcoming angle or feud that has me excited for WrestleMania. I'm not "into" any of their current characters, and find myself hating watching RAW because of the stupid Vince McMahon segments and the lack of real wrestling.
So by "real wrestling," do you mean shitty spotfests? That's the majority of TNA right there.
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Old 02-14-2007, 08:44 AM   #43
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Old 02-14-2007, 08:54 AM   #44
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Aside from Angle (Who was part of WWE when Fox was complaining about wrestling in the past), there are very few guys who legitimately wrestle in TNA. In fact, one of my primary reasons for disinterest in TNA is the lack of Pro Wrestling. It's a boring gymnastics contests more than half the time. Not to mention craptastic angles and storylines which even TNA fans are balking at.
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Old 02-14-2007, 08:55 AM   #45
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Oh, but they have the new ultimate X match. That should make for some interesting spots. After all, thats what wrestling is all about...
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Old 02-14-2007, 06:18 PM   #46
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Aside from Angle (Who was part of WWE when Fox was complaining about wrestling in the past), there are very few guys who legitimately wrestle in TNA. In fact, one of my primary reasons for disinterest in TNA is the lack of Pro Wrestling. It's a boring gymnastics contests more than half the time. Not to mention craptastic angles and storylines which even TNA fans are balking at.
I can definitely think of more than a "very few."

-Christoher Daniels
-Samoa Joe
-Christian CAge
-Jerry Lynn
-Chris Sabin
-Senshi
-Rhino
-AJ Styles
-Robert Roode
-LAX
-Petey Williams

I could probably keep going. TNA is full of incredible wrestlers who put on great matches week in and week out, that actually look new and fresh every week in comparison to WWE's scripted, bland formula that they utilize on every single show.

While storylines may be equally idiotic on both sides of the fence, TNA has better actual wrestling than WWE. Period.
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Old 02-14-2007, 06:20 PM   #47
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And yet, the company here is WWE.

So no matter what you say, there was no reason for you to believe this was really about ECW alone, or that anyone thought ECW was the #1 company.
You're trying way too hard, KK. WAY too hard. I'm not even arguing this nonsensical nit-picking. You knew what I meant.
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Old 02-14-2007, 11:13 PM   #48
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I can definitely think of more than a "very few."

-Christoher Daniels
-Samoa Joe
-Christian CAge
-Jerry Lynn
-Chris Sabin
-Senshi
-Rhino
-AJ Styles
-Robert Roode
-LAX
-Petey Williams

I could probably keep going. TNA is full of incredible wrestlers who put on great matches week in and week out, that actually look new and fresh every week in comparison to WWE's scripted, bland formula that they utilize on every single show.

While storylines may be equally idiotic on both sides of the fence, TNA has better actual wrestling than WWE. Period.
And you could keep going, and you'd probably list the entire TNA roster, because you're an idiot. And you will keep asserting that the roster is full of incredible stars who do incredible things every week, when the majority of TNA is a generic set of boring spots. Even accomplished and incredible atheletes like Joe are watered down to 3 moves and are boring. TNA caps wrestling just like WWE does. But, of course, you are a rabid fanboy and pee yourself in excitement over anything that TNA puts out.

You are, in essence, TNA's Vermaat.
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Old 02-14-2007, 11:16 PM   #49
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You're trying way too hard, KK. WAY too hard. I'm not even arguing this nonsensical nit-picking. You knew what I meant.
You knew what I meant. There's no nitpicking involved. It was stupid to think that I would be referrinf to ECW as the #1 brand. Either you're the one trying too hard, or you're fucking retarded.

I'm voting for the latter, but it's hypocritical of you to make such an accusation.
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Old 02-14-2007, 11:18 PM   #50
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For every TNA wrestler, you can name someone on the WWE roster who's as good as if not better than their Orlando FLA counterpart. However, WWE isn't having their wrestlers go out their and put on spotfests and flip around 30 times a match.

I'm not saying WWE shouldn't let their wrestlers "go" more often, they should. But TNA encourages a ridiculous style that makes wrestlers look better than they actually are.
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Old 02-14-2007, 11:31 PM   #51
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For every TNA wrestler, you can name someone on the WWE roster who's as good as if not better than their Orlando FLA counterpart. However, WWE isn't having their wrestlers go out their and put on spotfests and flip around 30 times a match.

I'm not saying WWE shouldn't let their wrestlers "go" more often, they should. But TNA encourages a ridiculous style that makes wrestlers look better than they actually are.
WWE still has the best damn roster you could ask for, period.

The thing is, flipping around doesn't really make the wrestlers look good. It's just a different kind of shitty wrestling.
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Old 02-14-2007, 11:40 PM   #52
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exactly. I just wanna be like, news flash, Guys on the WWE can do flips too.
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Old 02-14-2007, 11:46 PM   #53
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Pretty much.

And that's the point that TNA fans miss because they're too busy sticking their nose in TNA's crotch. The actual content isn't all that good.
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Old 02-14-2007, 11:55 PM   #54
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Plus even if they were right, the product still sucks in every other department too.

Okay, Devil's advocate, TNA has better "athletes" (they don't). Okay then, the weekly show still sucks. The booking is still horrendous. The match psychology is non existent. The spotfests are like therapy for an ADHD kid on speed. The production value is like something off public access.


WWE roster is stacked, and though TNA does have some fine wrestlers and atheletes, they're roster pales in comparisons to WWEs. And don't think for a second that these guys who "care about putting on a better show" wouldn't sign for WWE money in a heartbeat. But then when they're in WWE and they're not being spotmonkeys and making a joke out of matches every night, are they any less talented?
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Old 02-15-2007, 10:02 AM   #55
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I couldn't agree more. If nothing else, one would need to bring up that most of the guys on top in TNA not only came from WCW/WWE, but TNA makes a practice of hiring any castoff possible. I mean, really. TNA builds itself with "new stars" signed based on WWE's budget cutting.

Let's look at Fox's list

-Christoher Daniels
-Samoa Joe
-Christian CAge
-Jerry Lynn
-Chris Sabin
-Senshi
-Rhino
-AJ Styles
-Robert Roode
-LAX
-Petey Williams

How many of those guys have spent no time in WWE or WCW? How many of them spent a lot of time in WWE?

Yeah, the guys who are "hungry" and all that shit Fox spews seem to only be hungry for a paycheck.
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Old 02-16-2007, 06:42 AM   #56
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Wow. According to that site thats only 40,000 people.

Even worse is starrcade which got a 0.11, not great considering it was WCW's answer to Wrestlemania!
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Old 02-16-2007, 10:01 AM   #59
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About half what WWECW did. Wow.

When the #1 company is doing that poorly....
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