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Old 03-08-2007, 11:54 AM   #41
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Yeah dude, the old IC belt is probably the best looking belt of all time. It looked good around the waist of Hart, Bulldog, Perfect, Rude, Martel, HBK.

I don't know if it happened, but wasn't there 2 IC belts at one time. HBK had one and I think Martel had the other? I used to wrestling my stuff animals and win the belt, and I'd wear 2 IC belts......shut up.
Now even I admit those boys were great champions, but if want to look at a model of what an IC Champion should be, you need to get yourself some tapes of the Honky Tonk Man brother. You'll have a years worth of IC Title Matches right there buddy. Not to mention, some of the greatest moments of all-time. As a matter of fact, I blasted Bret Hart with a guitar once. His family felt it all the way back to Canada.
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Old 03-08-2007, 12:32 PM   #42
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I too thought Orton actually put over the belt, but then he lost it and they kind of dropped the ball after that.
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Old 03-08-2007, 08:32 PM   #43
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Yeah, Randy Orton and Shelton Benjamin (first reign) were two of the best runs in recent memory in my view.
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Old 03-12-2007, 06:17 PM   #44
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the title went down the crapper as soon as Chyna won it.
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Old 03-12-2007, 06:18 PM   #45
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Chyna's first reign wasn't the worst thing ever...her second run sure was horrific.
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Old 03-12-2007, 09:12 PM   #46
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I love when Christian won the re-intodiced IC title. I'm a huge mark for him, so that was happy times.
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Old 03-14-2007, 04:10 AM   #47
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the title went down the crapper as soon as Chyna won it.

thats bullshit and you know it because she was way over and everyone bought it. Not to mention the next string of champions after her were Jericho, Angle and Benoit.

After them it was Rikishi (who was at a high point in his career) and Eddie Guerrero.

It went down the drain when Albert won it.
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Old 03-14-2007, 04:24 PM   #48
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thats bullshit and you know it because she was way over and everyone bought it. Not to mention the next string of champions after her were Jericho, Angle and Benoit.

After them it was Rikishi (who was at a high point in his career) and Eddie Guerrero.

It went down the drain when Albert won it.
its not bullshit, just my opinion. I thought she was a terrible champion.
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Old 03-15-2007, 04:29 AM   #49
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I'll go on record as saying Jeff Hardy was the best IC champion in ages.

We talk about how in the old days it was the secondary title and the matches outshined the main events. Plus we talk about how over the people holding it were. Well think about this..

Cena, Lashley and Batista were the primary world champs

and Jeff and Benoit were the secondary champs. If you ask me, I'm down with the secondary champs. Not just as better wrestlers, but to me as better characters.
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Old 03-15-2007, 04:35 AM   #50
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I'm telling you people, Albert. When Albert won it, it was a joke. It was becoming a bit of a joke before that when they had Triple H come in and win it when he was already a 4 time champion. And then likewise with Kane. Sure I guess that would in most cases lend credibility. But it seemed to make the title look small on them. It belittled them more than it helped the belt.
After that, aside from Edge and Lance Storm the belt struggled. Probably because there were like 10 belts on one program during the invasion.

RVD was a great IC champion, the timing was right for him to win it, and he fit the mold. Personally, he should have ran with it. They should have ran with a lengthy RVD reign and/or a lenghty RVD/Edge IC title fued.

The big problem came when they started bumping dudes back down. They failed to give RVD a great reign. Edge's was overshadowed. Then Benoit and Jericho were IC champion...while Hogan and Taker were world champions.
They never should have been bumped down to that status. It made the IC belt look like the losers lounge.

Once it was reintroduced, it was actually pretty good. Thanks to brand extension, it stood out well on its show. Christian and RVD were lending it some decent credibility. Then came Orton, probably the best IC champion since Jerichos first reign and Rock in 98.

Ever since that its no good. Jeff and Nitro was the best thing going on Raw but they overdid it and took the belt off him just when he was getting rolling IMO.
He had survived so much, he had even gotten past Khali still with the belt. And his run was just starting to get credible.
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Old 03-15-2007, 06:51 AM   #51
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In my opinion, the IC title is, or was better then the World Title. There were more matches for it, and were done by many upper level mid-carders who were just shy of the main-event. Usually the IC feuds were well done, E.G Austin/Rock Rock/HHH Jericho/Benoit. The World Title feuds tend to be less...agressive as the title is defended roughly once every 30 days or so at a PPV, and you could usually tell who would win it. With the IC title it didn't have the fame or prestige of the World Title, But it had credibility and with it many wrestlers went on to win the world title. It gave wrestlers a look from the top, but not under the spotlight, so they wouldn't get stagefright when they did get the World Title, and have the responsibility of being at the top of the company. It seems nowadays the title is meaningless, and is just something the writers add to some wrestlers to make them stand out a bit more. there used to be a time I would keep track of each champ (World, IC, Tag,European, Light Heavyweight/Cruiserweight, Womans, and Hardcore) Now with 3 of them gone, 2 tags that are uninteresting, womans totally retarded, and cruiserweight being buried. Titles other then the World Titles seem to be so pointless.
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Old 03-15-2007, 09:01 AM   #52
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Its becuase there needs to be one world title, the ic belt, one set of tag belts, the cruiserweight and womens belt, and perhaps the european title. And it needs to be across both Raw and Smackdown as one united brand.

Then if you wanna have another champion and television champion, with a set of tag belts on a 2 hour ECW (with 1 or 2 more credible main eventers i.e. Rey, Benoit or Jeff) THEN you're in business.
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Old 03-15-2007, 09:05 AM   #53
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I think that a return of the hardcore and european titles, along with a merging of the brands, and their respective titles (world, and tag) would make wrestling so much more tolerable.
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if ecw got a talent boost, and an extra hour I'd be all for putting the hardcore title on that show. Seriously, the hardcore title with the 24 hour rule there would seriously help their under to mid card.

Then a solid TV title division of upper midcarders, like Punk, Elijah Burke, Thorne, Marcus Cor Von and Sandman and Dreamer since they're not gonna make them main eventers. That'd be key to defining their upper mid card and creating their new stars.

Then you have their apparent upcoming tag division.

As for their world title, the talent boost would help this immensely. And tbh, I think RVD is gonna stay now. I thought he'd go to TNA but I'm doubting it now. I think his contract will come up and WWE will convince him to stay, right now their jobbing him cuz they're afraid to have a strong former champion head to TNA. Once he's under a new contract and staying put, I'm sure they'll say that he's "paid his time" and push him again.

Seriously though, I'm really strong on thinking ECW can be saved. But I'd like to see the addition of the Hardcore 24 hour title, the TV title (on Punk),
and the addition of some talent.
If Raw and Smackdown unite, and cut out some of their titles, you have a lot of talent on one brand. So I'd say send some to ECW.
ECW would take a huge boost in terms of product and ratings if they got Benoit as an instant main eventer. Rey as a main event/upper mid card star. And the hardys as a tag team with singles potential at any time.

But I guess back to the IC title, which needs to be unified with the US title and put on someone like Carlito or Kennedy for a solid run. In fact, those 2 should fued with eachother over both belts and then a resulting back and forth fued til they're both way over.
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