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Old 03-29-2007, 12:42 AM   #41
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I gotta say I've been a fairly good supporter of Edge for a long time but I've never been sold on him being "the guy" of a company. He has come a LONG ways though over the past year or so and I have to give him his due, he is very near the top in every conceivable category.
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Old 03-29-2007, 12:48 AM   #42
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I have to admit, I always thought Edge was overrated. Thought people put too much investment in his "untapped potential." But he has totally shut me up and shown he did have the feel of being "the main guy" to him all along. Not often someone comes along and proves they have more potential to them than I thought, but Edge does and has proven. Kudos to Edge.

Personally I'd still rather see Orton take top heel position, but I would have no complaints with Edge taking it...
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Old 03-29-2007, 12:52 AM   #43
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Its kind of weird, how the two "brothers" parted thier ways, and kicked off thier careers in doing so, it seems they held each other back as Tag Team partners, although the WWE Tag division could use a pairing such as thiers right now, but back to point. Since they split up, and since moved onto different promotions, look at what happened. Main player heels, who have won the titles, although both had rather shortish reigns that you knew would end quickly.
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Old 03-29-2007, 12:54 AM   #44
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Edge right now is one of the best heels wrestling has had in I don't even know how many years.

yes Edge now>HHH circa whatever year you wanna say.
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...come on now FA. Christian is the main eventer in TNA. Hell, more people know what Kevin Thron did last week than Christian.
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Though they have both had shortish runs I certainly dont think they are their last. Christian could be in the early stages of a lengthy one now and the next time Edge picks up the gold hopefully it will be a more substantial run with the strap.
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Old 03-29-2007, 12:55 AM   #47
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Personally, I'd rather Main Event TNA than curtain-jerk WWE. Christian probably feels the same way and thats why he's gone that route. I suppose there is good and bad in each position tho.
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Edge right now is one of the best heels wrestling has had in I don't even know how many years.

yes Edge now>HHH circa whatever year you wanna say.
PLEASE legend. PLEASE tell me you were stretching your words to make dramatic effect.

Truthfully, Triple H after he grew into "The Game" persona through when he tore his knee was quite possibly the best heel ever.
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Well the good part for him is he has good relations with WWE still. He burned no bridges, and they'd be glad to have him back, and would have been glad if he never left. He just wasn't getting where he wanted. So it could actually have been a good move in that he could re-enter the company at the right time and now be viewed in a higher light and be pushed accordingly.
Or at the very least, he'd be on the upper midcard winning IC titles and occasionally breaking into the main event for short stints. Which means, the worst that can happen is he gets his old job back.
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Old 03-29-2007, 12:59 AM   #50
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Personally, I'd rather Main Event TNA than curtain-jerk WWE. Christian probably feels the same way and thats why he's gone that route. I suppose there is good and bad in each position tho.
Personally, I would too. And you're right, Christian obviously feels that way, hence him going. But it's kind of hard to compare Edge being in the feud of the year with Cena over the WWE Championship (being basically the only guy WWE had faith in enough to dethorn Superman, no matter how short a run) to Christian headlining TNA PPVs.
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Old 03-29-2007, 01:01 AM   #51
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PLEASE legend. PLEASE tell me you were stretching your words to make dramatic effect.

Truthfully, Triple H after he grew into "The Game" persona through when he tore his knee was quite possibly the best heel ever.
Absolutely. HHH is a god amongst heels. Triple H once he got over big (Foley fued) up until the two man power trip was beyond the goods.

As for Edge, he's the best heel in the business and in a long time I agree. But he's got a long way to go before he hits his stride. He needs a run as champion. Not just a short cowardly reign, but a dominant one with decisive wins over big faces. Then he can move onto the next level as the top guy, at least for that time period. The problem right now is that the faces are on top in WWE. If and when they get the balls to give Edge a lengthy run as champion, he can take the ball and run with it.
So even though he's the goods already, he still has a long road ahead of him, with the potential to tear it up.
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In my opinion, the only reason Edge is the best heel in the business at the moment is because... well, take a look at his competition right now.
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Old 03-29-2007, 01:09 AM   #53
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In my opinion, the only reason Edge is the best heel in the business at the moment is because... well, take a look at his competition right now.
No he's still very good. Last week his segment on Raw was gold. His promos lately have been great. DX vs RKO...rated Rko was carried by Edge.
And he was the only heel who was able to take his cheers and Cenas boos, and turn them back into heat and make Cena the face.
He was also amazing in the Foley fued and the subsequent WWE vs ECW fued.
His live sex celebration and everything. He's just a great entertainer and exudes that cocky attitude. His promos have come such a long way and he's enourmously entertaining as a heel.

His pinfall on Beulah at ONS2 was pretty RFL
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Old 03-29-2007, 01:10 AM   #54
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Really, the only Main Event level heels are Edge and Orton. So...take that for what it's worth.
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PLEASE legend. PLEASE tell me you were stretching your words to make dramatic effect.

Truthfully, Triple H after he grew into "The Game" persona through when he tore his knee was quite possibly the best heel ever.
No dude Like HHH was great so I'm not saying he sucked or something

But now look at this

HHH is the cool badass character who people love. HHH always got cheer, and who can blame people HHH was a cool heel.

Now look at Edge there is nothing cool or kickass about him. He is just a straight up bad guy. Edge is a heel in the truest sense of the word. Also Edge looks like a homeless person half the time which helps his character tremendously.

Edge has no redeemable quailties about him. Which is what is so great about him. When you watch Edge you're watching something that we haven't seen in a very long time.
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Old 03-29-2007, 01:12 AM   #56
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Edge is totally badass, and he gets about as much of a "smart mark" pop as HHH did.
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Edge gets cheered, and he turns them into boos. Hes got the whole "the heel they love to hate" thing going on like HHH did. At any moment they'll cheer him if they're encouraged to. Shit sometimes they even do. You see the pop when he won the title? Or at some points during his fueds with Cena? The true testiment to his talent is he turned them around.

And btw I don't know what WWF programming you were watching in 2000, because HHH wasn't getting anything close to a cheer and he was the most straight up bad guy to ever come down the pike. Granted he was awesome.
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Old 03-29-2007, 01:16 AM   #58
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Now Ric Flair...there is someone who was not an out and out heel. Granted he was fantastic, and he played the character perectly, but the man was still hailed and loved by thousands, even at the peak of his heel runs.

Back in 2000, despite HHH being my favorite performer at the time, when I went to events I still boo'd and fliped him off and the whole nine yards. He was so fantastic to hate. I LOVED hating him. There honestly has not been a single other person who as a heel, has been so much fun to hate outwardly whilst deep down loving him.
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I never said Edge wasn't great. He wouldn't be where he is if he wasn't. As much as I dislike the guy, he is entertaining and extremely talented. HOWEVER, can you honestly tell me that if tomorrow Trips started wrestling again and he was a heel, that Edge would still be the best heel in the business?

As for legend, what HHH were you watching in 2000-2001?
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Yea HHH was one of my favorites at the time but I played along hating him. He was such a great heel. A testament to how great he was at it, and he's clearly better at playing the heel than the face. I think a lot of why fans liked playing along was because heel HHH fed off of face Rock and vice versa. Foley was key in putting him over big as a heel too. He floundered a bit after his heel turn in 99 and his first 2 title wins. But once he won the title the 3rd time and got into that fued with Foley and Rock, he picked up the ball and was off to the races.
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I would like to see a feud between Edge and Christian just to see who could out heel the other.
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His fued with Jericho in 2000 is underrated as well. And then Angle, where he momentarily turned face. Thankfully they turned him back heel HUGE with the Austin storyline.
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It'd be so entertaining I think the IWC would explode
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They're both sneaky bastards and have a way with words but I think Christian is more funny.
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I think Christian has taken a page or two out of his friend Chris Jericho's book. Edge on the other hand is a tad more unique with his heel gimmick, which in honesty probably stems from the real life saga with Matt and Amy.
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Old 03-29-2007, 11:31 AM   #66
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I still have trouble grasping Edge as a main event heel. I don't know. He seems too good for the midcard now that he's feuded with Cena so much, but I still can't see him picking up convincing wins over other main event guys (Cena, HHH, Shawn Michaels, 'Taker, Batista...even Lashley). He still feels somewhere between the upper midcard and main event scene for me. I guess it's how fuckin' butch ass Superman godly Cena's been pushed that's making me not see Edge as being that credible.
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HBK wins the title at Mania, then begins a year long feud with Edge for the WWE Title. THAT would put Edge over the top via matches alone...
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Old 03-29-2007, 01:28 PM   #68
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HBK wins the title at Mania, then begins a year long feud with Edge for the WWE Title. THAT would put Edge over the top via matches alone...
Plus it'd work with him getting "convincing wins" over a big name. Which I really don't understand why people have a hard time believing that Edge could beat the Cena's and Batista's. Who cares if he's a tad slender in Vince's world of hosses. He's not small by any means, and his entertainment value and wrestling ability, as well as his style make him more than believable as a main eventer. Not to mention that he's been pushed well since 2000. Why is it okay for Jericho and Michaels to cleanly beat those guys, but not Edge?
I guess Vince isn't the only person who buys into the idea that a determined, talented average size guy can't possibly beat large guys. Tbh, I have never had a problem with this and never will. It's never been hard for me to believe that Shawn would beat Vader and Diesel, or that Jericho could beat HHH and Austin, or even that Eddie Guerrero could beat The Big Show.
It's professional wrestling not real life sumo fights.
I just don't see what's not dominant main event in Edge. Over, talented on the mic and in the ring, average size.
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Old 03-29-2007, 01:54 PM   #69
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I have to admit, I always thought Edge was overrated. Thought people put too much investment in his "untapped potential." But he has totally shut me up and shown he did have the feel of being "the main guy" to him all along. Not often someone comes along and proves they have more potential to them than I thought, but Edge does and has proven. Kudos to Edge.

Personally I'd still rather see Orton take top heel position, but I would have no complaints with Edge taking it...
I always thought Edge had potential. I was disappointed when I saw what his "potential" had lead to.

Far as Michaels, by the way.

The hairline comment wasn't the only thing wrong with your post, Show Off. It was just a metaphor if you will, for your entire complaint.
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Old 03-29-2007, 02:08 PM   #70
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Out side of the ring Shawn Michaels is the worst most bland, terribly boring, repetitive, stale douche on television.
The worst, seriously...

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Michael's character hasn't been good since 1999 when he was the corporate commisioner, since then his character has been this awful vapid waste of screen time. Their are currently at least 10 to 20 wrestlers in the buisness today that are better all around characters then Michaels.
OK, well that's kind of an personal choice I guess...

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And I could probably name 30 or 40 that are better on the mic them him at this very moment.
Please do. No seriously, please do...

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You know things are bad when Cena and Michaels are on the screen at the same time and I hope Cena dominated the mic time. And even when Cena dominates the mic time I have to look and Michael's stupid hang dog expression and his dumb receding hairline.
This entire post is so overflowing with a baseless Michaels bash it's ridiculous.
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Hey, the OPne, does that mean we're tag teaming here?
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If Edge had a real finisher I'd be a fan.
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yeah, I could do without the spear.

I thought his DDT was decent.
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Edge still doesn't have a finisher? Why'd they stop doing the Edgecution and Edgeucation?
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Strangely, you and I have been on the same side of the coin on a lot of issues lately...I would called this a reluctant alliance at best. Plus I'm gonna start teasing a heel turn pretty soon.
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The last time the HBK character wasn't stale was when he went heel for a month to feud with Hogan. The promo he did in Montreal when he had Hitman's music play to give the impression Bret was coming out was excellent. HBK still has the ability to have an excellent character, he just decides not to use it.
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OK, well that's kind of an personal choice I guess...



Please do. No seriously, please do...



This entire post is so overflowing with a baseless Michaels bash it's ridiculous.
1. In that first statment I was using hyperbole to get my point across, of course there are people that are worse then him. Saying he's the worst is equal to me saying Michaels bleeds in every match he's in, he obviously doesn't but he does bleed a lot. Michaels isn't the worst but he is one of the worst, most stale... blah blah blah.

2. Thank you for giving me my right to choose.

3. You nailed me there, I can't name 30 to 40, but I could name quite a few that are better on the mic at this current moment... For example Estrada, Carlito, Edge, John Cena, Melina, Mickie James, Vince McMahon, Randy Orton, Ric Flair, Shane McMahon, Steve Austin, Triple H, Val Venis, Chavo Guerrero, Chris Benoit, Gregory Helms, Kane, King Booker, The Miz (God help me, he actually is), MVP, Mr. Kennedy, William Regal, CM Punk, Elijah Burke, Marcus Cor Von, Alex Shelley, Austin Starr, BG James, Brother Ray, Christian Cage, Eric Young, James Storm, Jeff Jarrett, Kevin Nash, Kip James, Konnan, Kurt Angle, Raven, Robert Roode, Samoa Joe, and Sting. Well I guess I proved myself wrong that was 41. All of which I think in my personal opinion are all better on the mic. Quite obviously I can only go with my opinion. But there you are 41 not to mention Mick Foley who isn't on TV right now, but that would make 42, also I'm sure there are some indy guys that if I could remember might be above Michaels. Are all 42 of those better then Michaels at Michaels peak? No. At Michaels peak only like 3 or 4 of them are better, but there you go.

4. I don't understand how what I'm saying is "baseless" I have a firm base. When Cena and Michaels are on screen together I prefer Cena's mic work. When Cena is talking all Michaels is doing is just looking at him with this same hang dog expression that he has whenever someone is talking on the mic orther then him or Triple H. And the thrid base is that he does in fact have a receding hairline... Okay maybe the hairline thing was just bashing, but it mwasn't baseless. Don't get me wrong Michaels right now is definitly top 20 current all around wrestlers in the buisness, probably even top 10. And If you asked me the greatest wrestlers of all-time Shawn Michaels would be one of the first 5 men that I would name. I like Michaels, I just don't like he persona that he's had for the past few years.
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Strangely, you and I have been on the same side of the coin on a lot of issues lately...I would called this a reluctant alliance at best. Plus I'm gonna start teasing a heel turn pretty soon.
Wait, does that mean we're faces right now?
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