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Old 04-08-2007, 05:24 AM   #41
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Old 04-08-2007, 08:39 AM   #42
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From what I understand with the Flair v Foley thing, Flair is pissed that Foley spit on and through down the tagteam belts on ECW. It honestly doesn't matter that it was good for ECW, it makes WCW look bad. And WCW can make itself look bad wthout any help. Also, Foley is a glorified stuntman that can write really well.
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Old 04-08-2007, 08:48 AM   #43
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Look HBK will always win out over Bret in that feud. I always notice that any arguments that anyone has in favour of Bret are DAVE MELTZER'S WORDS!
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Old 04-08-2007, 08:57 AM   #44
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What about real life feuds such as...

Austin/Jarrett
Hardy/Edge
Lesnar/Internet
Douglas/Everyone
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Old 04-08-2007, 10:41 AM   #45
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What about real life feuds such as...

Austin/Jarrett
Hardy/Edge
Lesnar/Internet
Douglas/Everyone
Austin - Jarrett is a spoiled prick that should only be a midcarder

Edge - Um, who hasn't banged Lita? So why is he mad at just Edge?

Internet - I'm on the internet and Brock is an ungrateful bastard

Everyone - Shane Douglas is an ass.
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Old 04-08-2007, 10:43 AM   #46
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Old 04-08-2007, 11:01 AM   #47
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What about real life feuds such as...

Austin/Jarrett
Hardy/Edge
Lesnar/Internet
Douglas/Everyone
Jarrett - I think he was ready for a Main Event run at the time.

Hardy - And truthfully, it seems like he's completely gotten over it.

Internet - Freedom of information bitch.

Everyone - As much as I LOVED the Franchise character, he really is that pissed off at everyone...usually for the dumbest shit too...
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Old 04-08-2007, 12:31 PM   #48
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I love how people try to make bret hart look like the reason for the feud. He stood his ground. They had to use underhanded moves to get the best of him.
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Old 04-08-2007, 12:54 PM   #49
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I think that a lot of the heat HBK receives over the screwjob is due to him denying all knowledge at the time.

If you can justify it by saying 2HArt was gonna leave and take the belt with him" then why not come straight out and just say "Yeah, i screwed you. I was told by my boss to do it. You know, the guy that puts money in my back pocket and feeds my family."

He should just have admitted it there and then.
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Old 04-08-2007, 01:03 PM   #50
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Old 04-08-2007, 04:14 PM   #51
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Tbh, I don't know who to side with in Hart vs Michaels. Bottom line is Michaels may have been an arrogant egomaniac who threw his weight around. But he gets a bad rap for this whole thing. Bret's a miserable asshole too. I side with Michaels just because the things Bret expected and can't get over are so absurd. He's just a miserable bastard and was before the whole screwjob anyways.

Nash. End of story.

Foley. As much as I respect Flair, I think he's a moron for that whole thing. Seems to be a very pointless statement. I think it's also very loaded as well. Maybe it has to do with the fact that Mick Foley was outrating him every week and becoming a bigger figure in the industry and public eye than "The Man". I don't know why he had so much resentment towards Mick but a lot of it seems to me to be jealousy rooted.
Not to mention everything he said is wrong. Very narrow minded statement. Flair just doesn't like him because he's not a ground based, 80s style technical mat rassler. A glorified stuntman? What's he mean by that anyways? Wouldn't you be able to pull that spin on any and all wrestlers. I mean, if he's getting at Mick being famous for big spots, he's all wrong because a lot more goes into wrestling than that.
Mick Foley is an amazing performer and talent, and has had great matches based on more than just spots or reliance on hardcore aspects. He can make other look good, he has had some of the most gripping and entertaining fueds of all time. Not to mention he's probably one of the best if not the best promo cutters of all time, bar non, in wrestling.
So tbh, I think Flair made an asshole out of himself with that whole situation. And for HHH to side with him, didn't see him having a problem with Mick when he came along and turned a floundering first run champion into a major player with one fued. Or when he took a floundering midcard "blueblood" and stepped him onto the uppercard with a series of matches.
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Old 04-08-2007, 04:22 PM   #52
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Old 04-08-2007, 04:22 PM   #53
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what was the HHH/Hogan beef again?

p.s Everyone over Hogan. The guys a lunatic. The only person I'll agree with Hogan over is Warrior.
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Old 04-08-2007, 06:51 PM   #55
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Old 04-08-2007, 06:56 PM   #56
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The One owns this topic. Except that Foley is just a glorified stunt man and is only as good as .0000001% of Ric Flairs worst match.
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Flair >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foley

Still, I can't help but think that Flair really sold Foley short. Foley isn't the best wrestler in the world, but he's a talented worker with a damn fine sense of psychology.
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Old 04-08-2007, 07:04 PM   #58
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And instead of using his mind to get the people to remember him he did it the cheap way. Instead of using the talents he had he did it in the laziest way he could, bumping hard. Does he have great psychology? Hell yeah. One of the most intelligent people the business has ever seen. It's unfortunate that he only realized this after he made his name destroying his body. Too little too late. Had Foley not been a dumb fuck he'd still be in the ring putting on some of the best "thinking man's wrestling matches" that we've ever seen. Why isn't he? Cause he spent his career as a glorified stunt man.
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Old 04-08-2007, 07:19 PM   #59
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The only reason Michaels is so villified in this feud and Hart is so admired is because Meltzer has had a hard on for Bret since...well...forever. And since the only people who are bigger sheep than marks are internet smarks, they fallow the official source for IWC's opinion: Dave "I'm the end all be all of wrestling opinion" Meltzer.
Man, you gotta realize what went down then. He may have had a minor injury, but the guy was bouncing around and dancing all over the place before Mania, and during Mania, and after Mania. Yeah, some major injury there. Bret even called him phoney at Mania, in what I felt was a legit shoot comment.

Shawn was an ass, making up BS. Sunny for one stated that she and Bret never fucked. She simply flirted around with him, as they were close friends.
If Sunny says it, she has no reason to lie. No wonder Bret got angry enough to wanna beat the shit out of the boy toy.

HBK had problems doing business with anyone he didnt like, or whenever he couldnt benefit from doing so. HBK screws Bret cuz he could benefit from doing so, whereas Bret while main eventing would work with the lower card guys and give them great matches and big time rubs.
HBK would trash everyone, such as the rock, and not want to job to fucking Austin, yet Bret calls out Austin as the next big thing, and he helps the rock out and works to share with him his knowledge. There's a difference between the two. Bret did work damn hard to help the company as a whole. HBK worked fucking hard backstage to help himself. He refused to job to Davey for a euro title match, that Davey was dedicating to his ill sister. And when HBK won that title, he made it look like shit, when all those months before guys like Davey and Owen and others worked fucking hard to make that belt matter. HBK was a piece of shit, he lied constantly, and was never good at hiding it.

Oh yeah, HBK was supposed to work the Canadian Stampede ten man tag match, but he couldnt take siding with the losing team. My goodness.

How many titles has HBK dropped outright without being pinned or losing to another opponent cleanly? Fucking hell, he mostly would just forfeit them.

As for the screwjob, goes back to what I was saying before. HBK did what his boss told him to do this time cuz he got to benefit from it. So many times HBK would be a pain in the ass and just refuse to do something when things didnt go his way. Now HBK said he was just doing his job, the boss tells you to do something, you do it. Oh really then?? So why did you never give a shit about that before, eh HBK? Oh yea...he wasnt benefitting.
Fuck that hypocrite.

Great talent, someone I enjoy watching on tv, and I'd never take anything away from him there, but the guy was a bitch. Says alot when most guys in the business respected Bret and didnt Shawn.
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And instead of using his mind to get the people to remember him he did it the cheap way. Instead of using the talents he had he did it in the laziest way he could, bumping hard. Does he have great psychology? Hell yeah. One of the most intelligent people the business has ever seen. It's unfortunate that he only realized this after he made his name destroying his body. Too little too late. Had Foley not been a dumb fuck he'd still be in the ring putting on some of the best "thinking man's wrestling matches" that we've ever seen. Why isn't he? Cause he spent his career as a glorified stunt man.
Do you think that he ever would have gotten noticed if he hadnt done the hardcore bumps
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Maybe. Others have. If Foley really does have great psychology then I don't see why he couldn't. Besides "well it's ok, he sucks otherwise." Only strengthens Flairs argument.
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I mean because he didnt exactly fit the mold of a wrestler, and it isnt like Vince always picks people who have great psychology
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I mean because he didnt exactly fit the mold of a wrestler, and it isnt like Vince always picks people who have great psychology
I don't really see what you're arguing. Agreeing with and saying no he couldn't only perpetuates the idea thats he sucks.

Put I'm sure he would've made it to the dance. Yeah, in the ring minus the bump he's not all that. But what he can do with or with out the bumps is talk. he is with out a doubt one of the best talkers of all time, and that would've gotten him a job anywhere.

Plus the charisma.

So yeah, I think he could've done it with out all that hardcore jazz.
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What about real life feuds such as...

Austin/Jarrett
Hardy/Edge
Lesnar/Internet
Douglas/Everyone
Jarrett

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Internet

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Austin - Nothing Jarrett has done has convinced me that reaching the main event earlier would have been good for him

Hardy - Whiny bitch though Hardy may have been, you do NOT sleep with another man's woman.

Lesnar - I'm only saying this because I don't want him to kill me.

Everyone - Douglas is a douche and is always wrong
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Old 04-08-2007, 10:08 PM   #67
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Old 04-08-2007, 10:53 PM   #68
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Old 04-08-2007, 11:35 PM   #69
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I don't really see what you're arguing. Agreeing with and saying no he couldn't only perpetuates the idea thats he sucks.

Put I'm sure he would've made it to the dance. Yeah, in the ring minus the bump he's not all that. But what he can do with or with out the bumps is talk. he is with out a doubt one of the best talkers of all time, and that would've gotten him a job anywhere.

Plus the charisma.

So yeah, I think he could've done it with out all that hardcore jazz.
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Old 04-09-2007, 09:39 AM   #71
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Micheals v Hart

Arn v Nash

Flair v Foley

Warrior v Reality

Also, feel free to add in your own.
Hart. Yeah, yeah, I know. OMGWTFBRETSCREWEDBRETFUCKINGMELTZERDROOOOOOOL...

Face it. Neither Michaels nor McMahon's conduct were fitting, and Vince would have wet himself had someone gone back on an agreement or understanding. See, later, Austin. Vicne and Michaels both, in the words reiterated about Austin, "took their balls and went home."

I know people will say Bret can't let it go, or whatever, and to them, I direct them to my comment on the Warrior feud below.

Nash.

Foley.

Warrior. Never let reality get in the way of an argument.

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What about real life feuds such as...

Austin/Jarrett
Hardy/Edge
Lesnar/Internet
Douglas/Everyone
Jarrett.
Well, I want to side with Matt, because nobody should get fired for their girlfriend banging someone else. But really, this whole thing is pretty stupid. So neither, really.
Lesnar. I mean, come on. All he's doing is protecting the business.
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Old 04-09-2007, 01:54 PM   #72
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This is why I picked Flair over Foley.

1) The reason I mentioned above. Context or not, don't spit on and throw down a title for the company you are working for to help another company. It it like saying you agree with Hitler, the context becomes moot. Plus fuck ECW.

2) Foley is becoming a bitch.

3) Foley did work like a glorified stunt man, and he is best remembered for killing himself: Hell in a Cell, jumping off a roof, and Rock beating him stupid with a chair.

4) Foley is a dumbass Democrat.

On a different note, what is this about Hogan and HHH having heat?
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Old 04-09-2007, 02:14 PM   #73
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Old 04-09-2007, 04:10 PM   #74
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The people who are siding with Bret Hart in this thread are presenting evidence to back their opinions up. The michaels fans are just stating their opinions and predigious.

If you hate Bret,fine, but at least have the common sense to see right from wrong. If you don't have it, fake it for a little while and say something like " personally I don't like Bret Hart but interms of his real life feud with Michaels Hart in the right.

If you can't do that then go fucking hang yourself.
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Old 04-09-2007, 04:13 PM   #75
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Old 04-09-2007, 04:16 PM   #76
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I'll clarify something here...

I'll side with Bret UP UNTIL the Montreal screwjob. Sure, maybe he felt the need to stand up for himself, who knows. But the simple fact of the matter was that HE WAS LEAVING THE COMPANY, AND STILL HAD THE BELT.

The reason he gave for not wanting to do the honors on the way out the door was bullshit. Not wanting to lose in Canada? Give me a break. I don't blame Vince for what he did, because the screwjob is FAR outside the Michaels/Hart fued. It's business, and he had to do it to protect his business.

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Yeah you drop the belt when you're on your way out. PERIOD. Go be a bitch on someone elses dollar, I'm gonna get that belt.
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