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Old 04-09-2007, 12:04 AM   #41
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So what you're saying is that they should put the title on a rock. Literally a rock they found outside the arena, if that rock sold tickets and drew an audience?

And really, I don't think it's fair to say that Lashley draws (as far as live gates go) because ECW tours with SmackDown!. And ECW ratings aren't anything to brag about (compared to other WWE programming, past and present).
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Old 04-09-2007, 12:30 AM   #42
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This is the 2nd time somebody's mentioned Funaki as being a main guy this week. what is it with him?

Anyway, I agree with Destor here in that Lashley is a good ECW Champ. He's got the look and his mic skills have certainly improved. I remember he was horrible months back. He's got his confidence now. I'm liking what he's doing. He'll be WWE Champ some day.

And I don't think both Hardy's will ever be a World Champ in WWE, but I would like to belive if they pushed Matt right when he came back for Edge, he could of at least been in that Title scene. The boy was over
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Old 04-09-2007, 12:34 AM   #43
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So what you're saying is that they should put the title on a rock. Literally a rock they found outside the arena, if that rock sold tickets and drew an audience?

And really, I don't think it's fair to say that Lashley draws (as far as live gates go) because ECW tours with SmackDown!. And ECW ratings aren't anything to brag about (compared to other WWE programming, past and present).
Dude, if more people want to see the rock I don't see what the debate is.
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Dude, if more people want to see the rock I don't see what the debate is.
You can't possibly believe that Destor. After all, we've talked quite in depth about how despite Christian being very over with the TNA Sheeple, he makes a terrible NWA World Champion based in large part to his past with WWE. The fact of the matter is, and I think if you look deep down you'll agree, there is so much mroe to making a good World Champion than being able to bring in a crowd (which honestly, I don't think Lashley does). There have been a number of people who have been able to get some marks dollars in their pockets based off ticket sales who made horrific champions. Lashley is one of those horrific champions who not only does nothing to honor what the belt is suppose to represent, but infact at times does the exact opposite.
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he's a decent ECW Champion though. I mean, ECW is terrible and the belt is pretty worthless. Hence why I think Lashley isn't the worst thing for the belt. Hell, he at least brought the belt to a major match at Mania. I don't know if the ECW champ would of been at Mania if not for Lashley holding it.

If he was a Raw or Smackdown Champ, I would say thumbs down
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I don't know. I'd rank the ECW World Title (if you count the actual pre-WWECW history of it) above the World Heavyweight Title...hell I'd probably rank it above the WHC even if it carries with it the WCW legacy (it's on again off again with WWE's history books). But let's assume this version of the ECW belt is just standing or the WWECW days, I would say Lashley EASILY is the worst of the three champions so far. And his competition is Big Show and a short reign due to pot smoking RVD. Not a difficult bunch to come out of on top, and yet Lashley sinks straight to the bottom.
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Old 04-09-2007, 08:57 AM   #47
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So what you're saying is that they should put the title on a rock. Literally a rock they found outside the arena, if that rock sold tickets and drew an audience?
They did that once. His name was Jim Helwig, though he later changed it to Warrior. From what he says, he was the greatest draw of all time.
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Old 04-09-2007, 09:21 AM   #48
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Matt Hardy can be a main eventer, in my opinion. He doesn't seem like "The Hardy Boy" and he can work. It's obvious by watching his matches that he's a potential ring general, he calls the spots, and knows how to keep the match flowing. Matt Hardy's skill is not a problem.

Is he over enough to be Champion? Fuck yes. In 2005, he was it. The fans had it hard for him. They still do. I've read reports where Matt Hardy gets bigger pops than Batista. He's also surpassed Jeff, in my opinion. A few year ago, when both guys were using Team Xtreme music, Jeff was more over just because he was the crazy one. Then Matt went off and got Mattitude, broke up with Lita and become a great wrestler. Matt Hardy's overness is not a problem.

Size and figure is also not a problem with Matt. He's bigger than some guys to have held the belt, and he is really quite built. He's not a machine, or anything, but he's got some muscle on him. I could buy him legitimately being put over as a tough guy.

Jeff Hardy is a different story, in my opinion. Jeff is pretty decent in the ring these days, and I think he does have a natural talent for the business. He's still the same Jeff Hardy he was during their tag team days, though. Sure, he had the Ladder Match against The Undertaker, and he won the Intercontinental Championship several times; I still see him as the same Jeff Hardy as the one I watched in 2001. Not even his attire has changed (unless you count him wearing Matt Hardy's cool pants).

I am not normally the one to say guys are "too small" for a World Title, but I have to bring it up with Jeff. He just doesn't have a "wrestler's figure" in my opinion. He's very...um...lanky? He doesn't have the definition that Edge does, though. I couldn't buy Gumby beating The Hulk; I don't think I could buy Jeff Hardy beating a Bobby Lashley.

I think with a makeover (at least new attire and music), Jeff Hardy could maybe change my tone, just by being amazingly fresh in the ring. I wouldn't complain if he got the belt, and if he did, I think he could even be successful (the fans genuinely like him and Matt). But I don't know, it wouldn't be something on my to-do list. Especially as Jeff is now.

Matt Hardy is a guy whose stock continues to rise, though. He consistently proves his worth in the ring, he's got charisma, he is over, and he looks the part more than Jeff. So my final opinion is...

Matt Hardy: Yes

Jeff Hardy: No
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Old 04-09-2007, 09:29 AM   #49
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I don't know man, I agree with you about Matt, but the moment Jeff touched the belt in his ladder match with the Undertaker, I realized that he could be something big, just the way he is. It would be like Rey Mysterio's title run, except it wouldn't suck.
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I don't know man, I agree with you about Matt, but the moment Jeff touched the belt in his ladder match with the Undertaker, I realized that he could be something big, just the way he is. It would be like Rey Mysterio's title run, except it wouldn't suck.
I've always been slightly biased against Jeff Hardy, mainly because I've always liked Matt more, and back in my markish days, I wanted to see Matt get most of the attention, rather than Jeff. Your opinion is probably more well formed than mine.

I think if they got Jeff Hardy as he is, had him win the World Title, and made it seem like he was Champion for a reason (something they didn't do with Mysterio, in my opinion), but that he could lose the belt any day, he could actually be a compelling Champion.

I would much rather see him get a makeover; maybe have a band perform a new entrance theme for him. With a fresh perspective, Hardy could actually climb the ranks and become a compelling Champion.
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Old 04-09-2007, 02:19 PM   #51
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i'd like to see Jeff as champ cos, as alienoid said, it could b done like as if he could loose @ any time. I suppose they did that initally with Cena (trying to stack everyone against him, Christian, Jericho, Bischoff) but honestly, we all knew Cena would win that feud. Then they brought in angle and u still knew Cena would go over him, then HHH, and we all pretty much assumed he'd go over HHH too, then Edge and yet again, we knew Cena would win it.

but anyway, I would like to see jeff a surprise winner in a three-way title match one day against,for example, Cena & HHH. Then have them both fighting to get the title off him
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Old 04-09-2007, 02:32 PM   #52
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Old 04-09-2007, 02:37 PM   #53
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You can't possibly believe that Destor. After all, we've talked quite in depth about how despite Christian being very over with the TNA Sheeple, he makes a terrible NWA World Champion based in large part to his past with WWE. The fact of the matter is, and I think if you look deep down you'll agree, there is so much mroe to making a good World Champion than being able to bring in a crowd (which honestly, I don't think Lashley does). There have been a number of people who have been able to get some marks dollars in their pockets based off ticket sales who made horrific champions. Lashley is one of those horrific champions who not only does nothing to honor what the belt is suppose to represent, but infact at times does the exact opposite.
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Old 04-09-2007, 03:09 PM   #55
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I kind of just skimmed through the posts here but I agree that neither of them are championship material. To be honest, I don't care about either one as a singles wrestler all together. The most they ever deserved was a mid card push though I only like them as a tag team.
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Nope...never in my entire posting carrear have I ever said that Jeff Hardy should be the main champ. Mid-card is as high( ) as he should get. It's just something I don't think he'll ever get. Yes he did have a chance. When he took on the Undertaker in that ladder match. That was the chance. He was over, the crowd wanted him to win, but like everything, the writers blew it. Now...nah.

If he did win it today though, I'd probably start watching wrestling again
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Yes he did have a chance. When he took on the Undertaker in that ladder match. That was the chance. He was over, the crowd wanted him to win, but like everything, the writers blew it..
You know besides the fact that he walked into the match fucking stoned out of his mind, the writer did screw him over.
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I rather doubt Jeff had the time to get high on that match. Gotta remember something, Taker doesn't do Ladder matches. He probably had Jeff with him the entire day running over shit so that neither one of 'em got hurt.

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Dont get me wrong, I like Hardy its just a known fact that he was out of it. If you read the book Matt and Jeff made, he says that he went into that match not caring. He said things like this should have been one of the biggest matches of my carrer but I didnt feel like it was. I think the interview is somewhere on WWE.com.

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Crossrine has a relatively large amount of rep (50,000+)Crossrine has a relatively large amount of rep (50,000+)Crossrine has a relatively large amount of rep (50,000+)Crossrine has a relatively large amount of rep (50,000+)Crossrine has a relatively large amount of rep (50,000+)Crossrine has a relatively large amount of rep (50,000+)Crossrine has a relatively large amount of rep (50,000+)Crossrine has a relatively large amount of rep (50,000+)Crossrine has a relatively large amount of rep (50,000+)Crossrine has a relatively large amount of rep (50,000+)
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