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Old 02-22-2004, 01:16 PM   #41
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Old 02-22-2004, 01:17 PM   #42
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I genuinely appreciate the fact that you have taken a moment to comment on the point. In response, I would agree that the angle tanked, I said so previously in this thread. I just wouldn't accept that it was any worse than a lot of other angles seen every week in wrestling, and when you consider the race angles, necrophilia is not on the same level of offense. Incidentally, I am going to take issue with being labelled as someone who would complain about how 'PC everything is' - clearly I wouldn't. My original point itself said how necrophilia wasn't as bad as people said it was, but I also disagree with a lot of race related angles that the WWF haas used in the past. That shows judgement based upon the issues, not upon an opposition to Political Correctness.
Is it judgement based on the issues?

Yes. It's your judgement that other angles are worse, as opposed to other peoples' judgements.

So it leaves me to wonder, as you complain about the "liberal" perspective, if it only comes up because it cuts against the grain of your own perspective?
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Old 02-22-2004, 01:19 PM   #43
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Old 02-22-2004, 01:19 PM   #44
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I think you have mis-interpreted that part. I didn't complain about Liberal Perspectives, I just said that it isn't plausible to expect a Liberal Perspective from a company that thrives on providing the opposite.
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Old 02-22-2004, 01:31 PM   #45
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Old 02-22-2004, 01:36 PM   #46
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I think you have mis-interpreted that part. I didn't complain about Liberal Perspectives, I just said that it isn't plausible to expect a Liberal Perspective from a company that thrives on providing the opposite.
Except, you know, for a few things:

Like the fans, who buy the merchandise and pay the bills.

They CAN expect to see their paradigm enacted in a business they support.

Why would they cut this idea that Vince was so big on (But much of the locker room was not), if ti was unreasonable to expect them to appeal to their fanbase? They cut it because it wasn't going to be profitable.

I'm not really sure there's much of a "liberal" perspective here anyways.
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Old 02-22-2004, 04:01 PM   #47
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-As an instrument through which HHH was able to show his sense of humour

-HHH took one for the team

-Ratings WERE up in the week that Necrophilia was used, and the week after ratings dropped (Perhaps because there was no necrophilia)

-Vince McMahon found the angle to be hilarious, and believed it would get over.


Thanks very much, i have not laughed that hard in a very long while

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I love the part where deep down, the people who didn't tune in next week were saddened by the lack of necrophillia.
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Old 02-22-2004, 09:58 PM   #53
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I just wouldn't accept that it was any worse than a lot of other angles seen every week in wrestling, and when you consider the race angles, necrophilia is not on the same level of offense.
It wasn't the fact that we thought the necrophilia angle was morally offensive, it was the fact that we thought necrophilia should not, in any way, shape, or form, be involved with professional wrestling. It was STUPID. It wasn't disgusting, it didn't revolt us, it only made us question Vince McMahon's sanity even more.

There was no reason for the necrophilia angle to happen. They could just have easily had Triple H hit Kane with a tow truck to further the angle, but instead they decided to create a story about Kane going out to PARTY (when he was originally supposed to be a lonesome monster), getting into a car crash, and raping the dead body of the girl he was with. It wasn't entertaining, it wasn't funny, it was just stupid, and did not belong in the WWE.

It seems to me that you're arguing that the angle wasn't as over the top as some other WWE angles. The problem is, nobody is saying that it wasn't. Nobody is saying that it was horribly disgusting, they are merely saying that it didn't belong on WWE TV.

Case in point, you're arguing with no one. Now go bury your head in the sand until you come up with more idiocy for us to laugh at.
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Old 02-24-2004, 03:49 PM   #58
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The RAW where Triple H announced that Kane killed Katie Vick was priceless especially the look on Kane's face. It was last year, and last year was one of the most memorable falls in a long time for myself in general. It could've been a serious angle and a feud with a purpose and the build up made me actually think that Kane was gonna finally win the strap. But later on, the Necrophiliac shit just turned the angle into a joke. Funny sure, but made wrestling look like a joke in general.
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Old 02-24-2004, 03:51 PM   #59
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yeah and what was up with Kane being at a party? As if the popular kids were going to invite a masked freak to hang out and have some beer and pussy. Vince you idiot.
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Old 02-24-2004, 04:35 PM   #60
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I have to disagree in the strongest possible sense. The Katie Vick angle would've never been taken seriously. First and foremost, because the story was absolutely ridiculous. Secondly, because it completely and totally destroyed everything that Kane's character had been up until that point. It was a slap in the face to everyone who ever called themselves a wrestling fan, even moreso for those of us who have been watching for years.

The Torrie/Dawn Marie angle was every bit as insulting in its stupidity, and led to unquestionably the worst match not involving Giant Gonzales, but at least that was just a lower-card filler feud. The Katie Vick crap involved the World Heavyweight Champion and the top contender, thus making it the main event of the show. It didn't flop because of the Necrophilia skit alone. It flopped because the story was doomed from the start.
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Yeah, but calling him a killer could've atleast made Kane look like the psycho he was supposed to be since he was previously tied up trying to be stale babyface for a while. Once Trips brought it up that he killed Katie Vick, that would've worked to bring more dimension to Kane's character. But too bad he HAD to mention the necrophilia.
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Stale as a babyface or not, it completely erased any and all dimensions of Kane's character up to that point. Ever since his debut, he was supposed to be this vengeful psychopath who'd been locked away in a basement somewhere. Now he's out going to parties with a burned-up face? So are we supposed to just forget everything they've told us about that character from that moment on?

Not to mention, if he was supposed to be a murderer, there'd be some sort of legal allegations.

The necrophilia was just the icing on the cake. The entire premise of that angle was moronic from ground up.
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Old 02-25-2004, 12:32 AM   #63
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Yeah, but calling him a killer could've atleast made Kane look like the psycho he was supposed to be since he was previously tied up trying to be stale babyface for a while. Once Trips brought it up that he killed Katie Vick, that would've worked to bring more dimension to Kane's character. But too bad he HAD to mention the necrophilia.
I'd agree with you on the premise alone, except that the premise kinda bvlew up Kane's character.

As NM was saying, you've got Kane, the psychopath who was locked in a basement all his life, and now he's a party animal who killed someone due to wreckless drunk driving? Hello, left field!

The actual necrophillia part wasn;t the only part of the angle that sucked, it's just the one that made it the least tolerable.

I'm thankful that it didn't entirely kill Kane's character right there. The whole "Kane unmasked" thing has worked REALLY well, and I think its success is despite the bullshit they pulled with Katie Vick, not because of it. They should have done something like this to begin with.
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The more I think about it, this sort of thing would happen ONLY to Glenn Jacobs. With the Katie Vick angle, he's now had every single one of his gimmicks entered into Wrestlecrap. All things considered, he really oughta get some sort of award for putting up with it.

I'm not the biggest Kane fan in the world, but I've got to admire someone who's had more horrible gimmicks than half of WCW's midcard roster in the mid-90's, and still comes out of it a success.
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The more I think about it, this sort of thing would happen ONLY to Glenn Jacobs. With the Katie Vick angle, he's now had every single one of his gimmicks entered into Wrestlecrap.
I think you just nailed down why he doesn't like wrestling websites.
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The more I think about it, this sort of thing would happen ONLY to Glenn Jacobs. With the Katie Vick angle, he's now had every single one of his gimmicks entered into Wrestlecrap. All things considered, he really oughta get some sort of award for putting up with it.

I'm not the biggest Kane fan in the world, but I've got to admire someone who's had more horrible gimmicks than half of WCW's midcard roster in the mid-90's, and still comes out of it a success.
Actually, it's a wonder Glenn hasn't gone psycho on WC.

I'm not his biggest fan either (Despite the assumptions people make about my handle...), but the guyy has really taken it admirably...
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Old 02-25-2004, 02:30 AM   #67
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He's had crap gimmicks, but for the most part, the Kane gimmick has been his best.

Oh, and Necrophila was just a dumb idea.
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Old 02-25-2004, 03:45 AM   #68
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Old 02-25-2004, 10:34 AM   #69
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I can't believe I just read this whole thread.................
I'm sorry.
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