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Old 04-23-2007, 12:02 AM   #41
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Blade Runners,Sting & Warrior were both champions
Doom, I'm not sure but i think Butch Reed was a world champion
Masters of the Powerbomb, Sid and Vader
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Old 04-23-2007, 12:04 AM   #42
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Doom, I'm not sure but i think Butch Reed was a world champion
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Masters of the Powerbomb was just thrown together so they could blow up Sting and Davey Boy Smith's boat, everyone knows that.
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Old 04-23-2007, 12:27 AM   #43
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From my count there are now 4 incredibly elite real tag teams:

Edge and Christian
Rock and Sock Connection
APA
Brother's of Destruction

Now guess why they are so elite.
Two world champs don't equal an elite tag team anyway. By your theory we could add in The New Black Jacks.
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Old 04-23-2007, 12:27 AM   #44
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Two Dudes with Attitudes were HBK and Diesel circa...03 maybe?
Try 1995.

They were a genuine tag team and World tag team champions in 1994, split up at the end of the year, had a short feud and reteamed as faces as the Two Dudes With Attitudes, but to be honest were just another "super pairing" during the "Two Dudes..." phase, thrown together for a short run against Yokozuna and Owen Hart because there were no credible singles heels for them to face.
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Two world champs don't equal an elite tag team anyway. By your theory we could add in The New Black Jacks.
By very permise of this thread, it does.
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Old 04-23-2007, 12:29 AM   #46
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Try 1995.

They were a genuine tag team and World tag team champions in 1994, split up at the end of the year, had a short feud and reteamed as faces as the Two Dudes With Attitudes, but to be honest were just another "super pairing" during the "Two Dudes..." phase, thrown together for a short run against Yokozuna and Owen Hart because there were no credible singles heels for them to face.
Meant 93 actually... still off but bad key in
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And I remember watching those matches. Still makes me laugh. I forget which match but Shawn slid between Yoko's legs avoiding a shoulder block or summit and slapped Yoko on the ass a few times. Was friggin hilarious to me back in the day.
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Maybe an "elite" team should consist of members who held conflicting World titles ie. one member was WWE World champ, the other was NWA/WCW World champ, but each never held the other (if that makes sense?)


This would leave Edge and Christian and APA as the two "elitest" real tag teams, by my estimation, although I admittedly haven't put much thought into it. There may be more.
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Old 04-23-2007, 12:33 AM   #49
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Meant 93 actually... still off but bad key in
1993 was when they were first paired, with Diesel as Shawn's bodyguard, but they teamed infrequently. In fact, Diesel barely wrestled for the first year he was in WWE, which made it rather surprising when he beat Razor Ramon for the I-C title and challenged Bret Hart for the World title at King Of The Ring a month later. I was like "when the fuck did Diesel get so good?", as a confused 11yr old mark.
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Well, Van Dam and Sabu would still make the cut. Van Dam - WWE, Sabu - ECW. Then we could add some considering AWA as well.
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Maybe an "elite" team should consist of members who held conflicting World titles ie. one member was WWE World champ, the other was NWA/WCW World champ, but each never held the other (if that makes sense?)

This would leave Edge and Christian and APA as the two "elitest" real tag teams, by my estimation, although I admittedly haven't put much thought into it. There may be more.
Yeah, the Blade Runners would also make the "elite" list.
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Old 04-23-2007, 12:37 AM   #52
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Well, Van Dam and Sabu would still make the cut. Van Dam - WWE, Sabu - ECW. Then we could add some considering AWA as well.
I consider Van Dam and Sabu more as associates than a real tag team. They have often teamed up, but never been promoted as a genuine tag team, had a lengthy run at a tag team title, or worked almost exclusively in tag matches during any time. They mainly had the common factor of a career long association and Bill Alfonso.
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Old 04-23-2007, 12:39 AM   #53
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Rick Steiner never held a World title, did he?
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Rick Steiner never held a World title, did he?
No, I said Doom earlier, but wasn't sue if Butch Reed ever held a world title.
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For like.... World League Wrestling or some shit like that... doesn't count though.
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Old 04-23-2007, 12:47 AM   #57
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For like.... World League Wrestling or some shit like that... doesn't count though.
I thought he might of held AWA or NWA, wasn't sure.
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That was in reference to Rick, I don't think ever held a world title. Not even for a smaller territory... well maybe like mid south or something. Yeah, neither count.
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Rick Steiner has never held the World singles title in any fed.
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You can't really count the ECW World title, until last year anyway, as a real "World" title as it was hardly ever defended anywhere but the East coast of America. A real World title should, really, be defended around the world.

By that definition, even the Japanese World titles are hard to defend as "world" titles. Only the WWE, NWA and WCW titles can really lay claim to this.
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Old 04-23-2007, 09:11 AM   #62
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No he didn't. For some reason WWE decided to vacate the World Heavywieght championship in the 2006 Wrestlemainia and it wasn't until Judgement day that WWE decided to reactivate the title and award it to King Booker.
Isn't it true that any time a World title is declared vacant, the officially recognized champion is Kevin Nash until such time as the matter is officially settled?
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Any time the APA makes a list of anything elite, the list becomes meaningless.
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Yeah, you don't like them so they're worthless. You're talking about a pair of guys who've been world champions, WWF/WWE tag champions, one US and HC champion, the other WCW tag champion, and I don't even know what others. They've both been main event players, and they were a long-running, dominant tag team. Ron Simmons was the first black man to be a World Heavyweight champion, for fuck's sake. And JBL wrestled a damn bear in his youth. They'll both be in the hall of fame. And deservedly so. So take that cock out of your mouth and show some respect.
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And put the glasses on your eyes and point out where I said I didn't like them.

I did like them, but historically speaking they did more as singles than as a tag team (as you pointed out), their role as a unit was as background players, so justify how they're any kind of elite team when they weren't even the top team of the era they were in. Not even top 3.
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Any time the APA makes a list of anything elite, the list becomes meaningless.
How are we supposed to take "they were more elite alone than together, and while I acknowledge their individual accomplishments, as a tag team they were less than amazing" from that?
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Because I called them the APA, not Ron Simmons and JBL. And I stick to it, when the APA makes a list of anything elite, the list is a joke.
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Take a few minutes to absorb the point of the thread. This is all about teams that were made up of guys with tremendous personal success. You're telling me that Kane and the Undertaker had that much more success than APA as a team? The only thing they managed to do that APA never did was hold the WCW and WWF tag titles at the same time.
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Old 04-23-2007, 10:25 AM   #69
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You're telling me that Kane and the Undertaker had that much more success than APA as a team?
They were more important when they were a team than the APA was. Really the entire point of the thread is absurd, to rank the elite status of teams on what they did outside the team. But read it as a standalone thing - Elite Tag Teams: APA. It's ridiculous.
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In terms of this thread, elite team=a team consisting of guys who were great personal successes. You're telling me that a team that consisted of a former and future world champion, who themselves were tag team champions, and who now are one of the best commentators in the business and a man who can get a huge pop with ONE WORD? That's not an elite team? Like hell it isn't.
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In terms of athe absurd premise then maybe, but if you asked anyone to name an elite group of the five greatest tag teams of all time based on ability/success, not one person would mention the APA. And still, if you can justify putting the APA on any list of elitism, then the whole idea is instantly shot to hell.
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Isn't it true that any time a World title is declared vacant, the officially recognized champion is Kevin Nash until such time as the matter is officially settled?
Sadly no, he just holds on to the title until the matter is settled.
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In terms of athe absurd premise then maybe, but if you asked anyone to name an elite group of the five greatest tag teams of all time based on ability/success, not one person would mention the APA. And still, if you can justify putting the APA on any list of elitism, then the whole idea is instantly shot to hell.
Actually I have heard someone on these boards say the APA was their favorite tag team of all time. Can't remember who, would have to look up RTTT to see for sure. The APA was a great team. It made money, it got over, and while I liked it more when it was just the Acolytes, the APA was fun itself. I think in a historical sense, the APA was one of the most elite tag teams of all time. Ron Simmons wins the WCW World Title being the first black guy to do that, he jumps over to WWE, then begins to team with someone who historically couldn't get over no matter who they paired with him, they take off, leaning in no way on the past success of Ron Simmons, but just forge their own legacy. Not the single most influential tag team of all time, but certainly legit and a money maker. They split the team and with the heat off that alone they create a new character for Bradshaw and give him the WWE Championship in less then 3 months. One former and one future World Champ, several years teaming, breifly having a less impactful reunited run, 3 Tag Team Title runs. That's one fucking legendary team right there.
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leaning in no way on the past success of Ron Simmons
That's a topic to itself. The WWF had the first ever black World champion on their hands, and never really mentioned it. I'm a bit embarrassed to admit it, but I never knew that Farooq and Ron Simmons were the same guy until like 2003.

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And that's fair enough to say they were a favourite team, I enjoyed the hell out of them too, the bar fight angles they'd do on Raw were awesome, great memories of them beating the shit out of the Posse, and doing the hencemen or hire angle. But I'd say there's a big difference to a team you enjoy and one in an elite group, because once you admit the APA as a team, you can admit about 25 other teams along with them.

For example, the Hollywood Blondes were an unbelieveably entertaining team, were higher on the card than the APA ever were, and outside the team Austin was the biggest draw in the history of the business and Pillman revolutionized wrestling from a character standpoint and even earlier than that, by breaking so many barriers as a smaller guy. But they were only together for six months before they got split up unjustly. If the APA qualifies, then the Blondes do as well, even though as a team their run was too short to put them on an all-time elite list.
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And that's fair enough to say they were a favourite team, I enjoyed the hell out of them too, the bar fight angles they'd do on Raw were awesome, great memories of them beating the shit out of the Posse, and doing the hencemen or hire angle. But I'd say there's a big difference to a team you enjoy and one in an elite group, because once you admit the APA as a team, you can admit about 25 other teams along with them.

For example, the Hollywood Blondes were an unbelieveably entertaining team, were higher on the card than the APA ever were, and outside the team Austin was the biggest draw in the history of the business and Pillman revolutionized wrestling from a character standpoint and even earlier than that, by breaking so many barriers as a smaller guy. But they were only together for six months before they got split up unjustly. If the APA qualifies, then the Blondes do as well, even though as a team their run was too short to put them on an all-time elite list.
You want to know the difference? Go to any wrestling show. Ask 25 random people who the Hollywood Blondes were. Then ask them who the APA were. Observe the results.
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Well of course time periods plays a factor - WCW 93 Vs. WWF in the hottest period in wrestling history, of course there's a difference, but that's like saying Prince Albert belongs at a level of elitism over Dusty Rhodes because he was part of wrestling at the right time, regardless of influence or importance.
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