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Old 04-23-2007, 03:10 PM   #41
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Is Mark Henry over at all? I mean, I really don't feel he is, but they sure act like he is.
Mark Henry is over with a lot of people because he looks like a threat. Granted, it's largely due to the fact that he legitimately injures people, and himself, but a lot of fans see him show up, and suddenly "X is on the shelf for six months," and they think "Wow, big strong black man SMASH!!!"
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Old 04-23-2007, 03:12 PM   #42
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Old 04-23-2007, 03:13 PM   #43
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Old 04-23-2007, 03:15 PM   #44
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Is Mark Henry over at all? I mean, I really don't feel he is, but they sure act like he is.
He's the world's STRONGEST man.

Of course he's over.
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Old 04-23-2007, 03:15 PM   #45
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Mark Henry is in no way shape or form over, nor will he ever be. The only time he was, was as Sexual Chocolate. Which is a gimmick that was comedic, entertaining, and relied off him actually putting forth an effort and personality rather than just being a big nasty giant.
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Old 04-23-2007, 03:16 PM   #46
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I just think it's unfair that some members of the IWC tend to hate big guys right away because they don't do 450 splashes.
Vince likes tem. The friend of mine enemy is mine enemy.



I loved Lesnar. I like Lashley (Pushed too soon, but solid). I loved the Big Show through most of his career. I do think it's a shame that someone is loved just because they're not getting exposed or hated just because they are. Same with size.

but it tends to happen.
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Old 04-23-2007, 03:17 PM   #47
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Mark Henry is in no way shape or form over, nor will he ever be. The only time he was, was as Sexual Chocolate. Which is a gimmick that was comedic, entertaining, and relied off him actually putting forth an effort and personality rather than just being a big nasty giant.
Not to mention was only about as over as other novelty gimmick at the time.
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Old 04-23-2007, 03:17 PM   #48
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Here's the thing though BDC, the two example you used, Nash and Taker prove why you're theory is flawed - they only became big successes when the other circumstances suited them - Mean Mark Callous and Oz didn't get over or impress on a major league level at all, despite them being the same size as when The Undertaker and Kevin Nash did - being big is simply a backdrop to whether or not the guy has an interesting gimmick/personality and the right charisma to pull it off. It's why there's plenty of small high-flyers that won't get over but a Rey Mysterio who is. It's all about the right package and the right presentation, and I don't think being "big" is that important. Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels and Steve Austin and Ric Flair wouldn't be any more successful if they were 6'5", and big guys with nothing are the same as small guys without nothing - just another guy.
No one could get over as Oz.

As far are your Ric Flair and Steve Austin references, they are both 240+ that isn't small by any means. I wasn't arguing that you have to be 6'6"+ 295lbs+ to get over. I was arguing you have to be 6'2"+ 240lbs+ to get over, and then the larger you get from there the less natural talent you need to get over.
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Old 04-23-2007, 03:44 PM   #49
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I agree...did anybody find Rey a credible champ?
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Old 04-23-2007, 03:56 PM   #50
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Rey would've been OK if he didn't lose every single week he was champion to the likes of Khali and Mark Henry.
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Old 04-23-2007, 03:58 PM   #51
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It helps but it's not necessary and not everyone big has done that well.
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Old 04-23-2007, 04:03 PM   #52
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I agree...did anybody find Rey a credible champ?
Rey was never champ.

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Old 04-23-2007, 04:04 PM   #53
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Let's say Little Bastard, Hornswaggle, whoever...had all the ability in the world and more charisma than "Thunderfoot" Jerry Flynn. Could he ever be a World champ?
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Let's say Little Bastard, Hornswaggle, whoever...had all the ability in the world and more charisma than "Thunderfoot" Jerry Flynn. Could he ever be a World champ?
If he did, I would reconize it, just like I refuse to reconize a certain Mexican midget's um....how do I say that while still not reconizing it...Any how, no.
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Old 04-23-2007, 04:07 PM   #55
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"Lighting Foot" Jerry Flynn, I have no idea why I said thunder.
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Old 04-23-2007, 04:21 PM   #56
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The worst part about Rey's non-reign was when they had him go over an actual Champion, The United States Champion, JBL. I was all like...ok, how is this assclown who isn't even champ gonna go over the guy who is. Whatever.
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Old 04-23-2007, 04:26 PM   #57
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The worst part about Rey's non-reign was when they had him go over an actual Champion, The United States Champion, JBL. I was all like...ok, how is this assclown who isn't even champ gonna go over the guy who is. Whatever.
Yeah, that did tick me off. JBL was the greatest champion ever, and some tiny powerranger just went over him? What the gay?
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Old 04-23-2007, 04:36 PM   #58
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You guys are not discussing the proper topic.

BOBBY LASHLEY.

He is soft spoken, but HARD HITTING. You guys should be discussing BOBBY LASHLEY. Vince knows this. BOBBY LASHLEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 04-23-2007, 04:47 PM   #59
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"Thunderfoot" would be a hell of a gimmick for someone though.

Of course no-one could get over as Oz, that's the point. The rules of getting over are in charisma, personality and the packaging.
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"Thunderfoot" would be a hell of a gimmick for someone though.

Of course no-one could get over as Oz, that's the point. The rules of getting over are in charisma, personality, the packaging, and size.
I agree.
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Old 04-23-2007, 05:00 PM   #61
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LMAO. Fucker.

Size is no more important than technical wrestling ability. There might be a minority that it appeals to, but without the substance of personality, none of it means a thing.
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Old 04-23-2007, 05:03 PM   #62
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Whether Rey was a credible champ or not, he is at least the shining light that not all world champions will have to be the big guys that vince prefers, there's hope for guys like matt hardy and paul burchill yet
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Andre the Giant was a terrible technical wrestler, and I think it's safe to say he was pretty over.
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There is no hope for Matt Hardy, for shit sake.
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Size was important in the eighties too when ringwork meant nothing and it was literally in the cartoon character period when bigger did mean better.
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Andre was unique though.

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I agree...did anybody find Rey a credible champ?
Rey is like the second shortest guy in the history of WWE, at 3'4". He was booked as a loser who got his ass kicked every week, and only survived. That was weak even when JBL did it.
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Rey is like the second shortest guy in the history of WWE, at 3'4". He was booked as a loser who got his ass kicked every week, and only survived. That was weak even when JBL did it.
Is Hornswaggle the guy that's shorter?
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Old 04-23-2007, 07:15 PM   #69
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Hornswaggle's shorter than Rey?
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Old 04-24-2007, 12:51 PM   #70
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Hornswaggle's shorter than Rey?
Maybe Rey was just standing closer to the camera.
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Old 04-24-2007, 12:53 PM   #71
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Maybe Rey was just standing closer to the camera.
When something (like Rey) is in the foreground and looks bigger than something (like an ant) in the background, that is called prespective.
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When something (like Rey) is in the foreground and looks bigger than something (like an ant) in the background, that is called prespective.
Ah, you mean like how it looks like I can crush a car between my fingers?
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Ah, you mean like how it looks like I can crush a car between my fingers?
Yes, exactly.
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Size is a HUGE factor in being successful in wrestling. How is this getting debated?
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That's like saying the better singer will played even if they're ugly. That's not the way it works. Sorry, talent comes second.
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That's like saying the better singer will played even if they're ugly. That's not the way it works. Sorry, talent comes Fifth.
Yeah, that needed to be fixed.
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That's why I didn't argue, merely corrected the priority.
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