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Old 04-25-2007, 04:14 PM   #41
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The second Kenta (if he) shows up in WWE...

Random IWC Smark: OMFG KENTA SUCKS! FUCKING SELLOUT! OMFG I'M GONNA GO FIND A MATCH THAT MAYBE FIVE PEOPLE HAVE SEEN AND BECOME A MARK FOR WHOEVER IS IN IT BECAUSE IT IS UNKNOWN AND THAT WILL MAKE ME HARDCOREZZZZ!
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Old 04-25-2007, 04:14 PM   #42
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This is KENTA
Just curious, why do people put this guy's name in all caps? I've noticed it with Kenta and Taka Michinoku, and I just don't get it.
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Old 04-25-2007, 04:15 PM   #43
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KENTA is the best worker n the world today, bar none.
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Old 04-25-2007, 04:15 PM   #44
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Old 04-25-2007, 04:17 PM   #45
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Oh, and about the part of Punk stealing this douchbag's move. Are you kididng, this is wrestling, everything is stolen from somebody.
Except for the people who invent things.
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Old 04-25-2007, 04:18 PM   #46
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NASH > KENTA
Nash dont even work any more "brah."
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Old 04-25-2007, 04:18 PM   #47
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Old 04-25-2007, 04:19 PM   #48
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Nash dont even work any more "brah."
First, technically he does. Secondly, I was referring more to the caps "brah".
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The second Kenta (if he) shows up in WWE...

Random IWC Smark: OMFG KENTA SUCKS! FUCKING SELLOUT! OMFG I'M GONNA GO FIND A MATCH THAT MAYBE FIVE PEOPLE HAVE SEEN AND BECOME A MARK FOR WHOEVER IS IN IT BECAUSE IT IS UNKNOWN AND THAT WILL MAKE ME HARDCOREZZZZ!
No it's more like we get to sit through 18 different ideas of how WWE should use them, and then the inevitable 30,000 threads on how WWE has no clue how to push talent, and they rushed this, fucked up this, and ruined the career of [Insert IWC Flavor of the Month here].
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First, technically he does. Secondly, I was referring more to the caps "brah".
I could care less about technicalities. Whens the last time Nash worker? WWE? Has he ever worked in TNA?
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Old 04-25-2007, 04:20 PM   #51
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And even then Nash has always been a terrible worker.
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Old 04-25-2007, 04:21 PM   #52
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He's worked in TNA, lol.

Don't know about now, but I consider anyone on-screen 'working'.
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Old 04-25-2007, 04:21 PM   #53
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No it's more like we get to sit through 18 different ideas of how WWE should use them, and then the inevitable 30,000 threads on how WWE has no clue how to push talent, and they rushed this, fucked up this, and ruined the career of [Insert IWC Flavor of the Month here].
KENTA would never get over in Mainstream America, the notion is doomed for failure.
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KENTA is the best worker n the world today, bar none.
MICHAELS > NASH doing skits > JBL's commentary > FLAIR's random matches > HUNTER's recovery > HALL's drinking > KIP JAMES feuding with Christy Hemie > WALTMAN's...uh...whatever > Kenta
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Old 04-25-2007, 04:22 PM   #56
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He's worked in TNA, lol.

Don't know about now, but I consider anyone on-screen 'working'.
Then you should familiarize your self with what working means in wrestling. I.E. to work a match.

Is he going to work? Yeah, but clearly nort what I mean.
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Except for the people who invent things.
Well of course, somebody has to invent the move but if people didn't steal moves, wrestling would be pretty boring. I mean, the WWE is already boring, somebody invented chops, arm drags, and hip tosses, so if those weren't being coppied the matches would involve standing there not moving.
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Geez, I really wish I could tell if some of you guys were serious in what you were saying or just trying to be controversial.
Well, it's absolutely true that EVERY worker EVER is either over hyped or under hyped by the IWC.
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MICHAELS > NASH doing skits > JBL's commentary > FLAIR's random matches > HUNTER's recovery > HALL's drinking > KIP JAMES feuding with Christy Hemie > WALTMAN's...uh...whatever > Kenta
No, none of them can out work KENTA. And that's all I'm talking about, how hard/well KENTA works. Are there things more entertaining, yes. Can any wrestler in the world today out work KENTA? Not in my opinion.
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And even then Nash has always been a terrible worker.
I'm shocked to hear such horrible lies coming from the mouth of a Kliq Member. Say it ain't so!
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Well of course, somebody has to invent the move but if people didn't steal moves, wrestling would be pretty boring. I mean, the WWE is already boring, somebody invented chops, arm drags, and hip tosses, so if those weren't being coppied the matches would involve standing there not moving.
You're stupid. It's one thing to take a move from someone who isn't in the buinessis anymore or real wrestling holds (which covers evewrything you listed) it's another to steal a mans bit. That would be like Ric Flair in '88 coming out in red and yellow trying to get Flair-a-mania over. Unless it was a jioke it's shitty. Just because you all don't know the guy getting fucked you dont care, and thats the problem.
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Can any wrestler in the world today out work KENTA?
MICHAELS. End of discussion.
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I'm shocked to hear such horrible lies coming from the mouth of a Kliq Member. Say it ain't so!
Dude he makes up for it by enteraining, having charisma, on the stick, etc. Not by his in ring work.
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MICHAELS. End of discussion.
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You're stupid. It's one thing to take a move from someone who isn't in the buinessis real wrestling holds (which covers evewrything you listed) it's another to steal a mans bit. That would be like Ric Flair in '88 coming out in red and yellow trying to get Flair-a-mania over. Unless it was a jioke it's shitty. Just because you all don't know the guy getting fucked you dont care, and thats the problem.
Isn't Flair just the modern day version of Gorgeous George?
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Well of course, somebody has to invent the move but if people didn't steal moves, wrestling would be pretty boring. I mean, the WWE is already boring, somebody invented chops, arm drags, and hip tosses, so if those weren't being coppied the matches would involve standing there not moving.
There's a big difference though. Triple H doing an Harley Race high knee. That doesn't take away away from Harley, because it's a tribute.

Doing an independent wrestler's 'unique' move is a different story. Let me use Destor for an example, he takes a leglock and he modifies it in a way that it's considered a unique move and his trademark. If Wrestler X from WWE sees it, starts performing it and it starts to get over with the WWE audience, the move is no longer going to be associated with Destor, who created it, it's going to be associated who made it popular to the casual fan. Then the next week when Destor goes and performs this move on the circuit, if a WWE fan happens to see it, he's going to say 'Pfft, they ripped that off Wrestler X' and he's going to be seen as a rip-off.

Do you see where I'm going with this?
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You're stupid. It's one thing to take a move from someone who isn't in the buinessis real wrestling holds (which covers evewrything you listed) it's another to steal a mans bit. That would be like Ric Flair in '88 coming out in red and yellow trying to get Flair-a-mania over. Unless it was a jioke it's shitty. Just because you all don't know the guy getting fucked you dont care, and thats the problem.
OK Desty, I gotta call you on this one. You're telling me that people shouldn't use a finishing move of someone from another promotion? I mean to rip off an entire gimmick like Hulkamania, yeah that's a bit much, but to take someone else's move...that happens every day. Big name stars on the national scene taking indy guy's finishing moves happen even more commonly. It's not a terrible thing, it's a part of business. When Booker T started calling himself "The Book" in WCW and using the BookEnd (Rock Bottom) did people call bullshit? Yeah, they pointed out he obviously stole it, and then moved on and no one cared anymore. CM Punk is taking this move (not even a great move at that) and using it for his own. It's not like him using it is somehow damaging Kenta using it, because people who watch Kenta knew he did it frist, and people not watching him don't give a fuck who invented the move so long as the guy they know (Punk) continues to use it.
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Isn't Flair just the modern day version of Gorgeous George?
Read my statement, someon who isn't in the buisness any more, at that point the guy isn't trying to make a dime off of it anymore and it becomes fair game. Until that happens it shitty. How would you like if you were a indy guy, and all of a sudden a WWE steals your ewntire move set? WOuldn't that suck? Everyone who sees you says "hey, get your own shit, THAT SNITSKYS!" WOuldn't that suck? Having to start over? But hey, it's just some indy guy.
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Dude he makes up for it by enteraining, having charisma, on the stick, etc. Not by his in ring work.
Agreed. He is someone who you get your money's worth before the bell sounds, but even then, as far as a big man goes, he is probably one of the best in the ring. Not in terms of moves, but he has great psych and knows how to pace things.
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Me being dead serious seems to be controversial enough, I don't need to try to be it.
I actually had you in mind when I said that, especially after your 'Hi, I'm an independent wrestler from...' comment. That reeked of bitterness.
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OK Desty, I gotta call you on this one. You're telling me that people shouldn't use a finishing move of someone from another promotion? I mean to rip off an entire gimmick like Hulkamania, yeah that's a bit much, but to take someone else's move...that happens every day. Big name stars on the national scene taking indy guy's finishing moves happen even more commonly. It's not a terrible thing, it's a part of business. When Booker T started calling himself "The Book" in WCW and using the BookEnd (Rock Bottom) did people call bullshit? Yeah, they pointed out he obviously stole it, and then moved on and no one cared anymore. CM Punk is taking this move (not even a great move at that) and using it for his own. It's not like him using it is somehow damaging Kenta using it, because people who watch Kenta knew he did it frist, and people not watching him don't give a fuck who invented the move so long as the guy they know (Punk) continues to use it.
Rape hapens every day. We should just let it slide, cause it's so common. And hey, if we do I bet people stop saying anything about after awhile, and just accept it as the norm.
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Does it really MATTER who invented it? Shouldn't it matter that the move was used in a way to elevate someone?

Of course not, because all that matters is that some overhyped jerkoff in the indies or Japan who invented it and has no chance in the WWE isn't going to be credited for the move.

Let's assume he's never going to make it to a big platform in the US. What difference will it make if Punk or Bobby Lashley uses it?
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Agreed. He is someone who you get your money's worth before the bell sounds, but even then, as far as a big man goes, he is probably one of the best in the ring. Not in terms of moves, but he has great psych and knows how to pace things.
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Oh, and about the part of Punk stealing this douchbag's move. Are you kididng, this is wrestling, everything is stolen from somebody.
Yeah, I'm not faulting him for it. I was just asking why do we care? It isn't like people are up in arms about Jeff Jarrett completely ripping of Ric Flair or Beniot copying Dynimite's style.
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Does it really MATTER who invented it? Shouldn't it matter that the move was used in a way to elevate someone?

Of course not, because all that matters is that some overhyped jerkoff in the indies or Japan who invented it and has no chance in the WWE isn't going to be credited for the move.

Let's assume he's never going to make it to a big platform in the US. What difference will it make if Punk or Bobby Lashley uses it?
Well he is trying to move over to the US more so that an unfair thing to assume. I wouldn't want some pimple face kid givign me flack about how I'm theif when I MADE IT MYSELF.

It's shitty, an independant contractor can only get work if he is unique, and Punk very could detract from his individuality.
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Yeah, I'm not faulting him for it. I was just asking why do we care? It isn't like people are up in arms about Jeff Jarrett completely ripping of Ric Flair or Beniot copying Dynimite's style.
Both were legends by that point, how you all cant make that destinction is annoying.
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I actually had you in mind when I said that, especially after your 'Hi, I'm an independent wrestler from...' comment. That reeked of bitterness.
Bitterness? No. Just bored and tired of hearing people cream over these worthless pieces of shit who can get a small little group of RoH marks to chant "This is Awesome!" or whatever their chants are.
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Rape hapens every day. We should just let it slide, cause it's so common. And hey, if we do I bet people stop saying anything about after awhile, and just accept it as the norm.
Stealing a Wrestling Move = Rape

Way to take this to insane extremes to service your side of the argument.
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