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Old 07-02-2007, 08:35 PM   #41
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No, it's pretty much WWE's fault though. They probably knew that he was on his way out which is why they rushed the Goldberg feud.
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Old 07-02-2007, 08:37 PM   #42
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Again, though, I'm not denying that it was the right thing to do and that it was best for everyone all around.
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Old 07-02-2007, 09:49 PM   #43
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That's why everyone was boo'ing him?
Hello? Heel?

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His matches at Summerslam with Orton and HBK say otherwise. He always gets huge pops and draws.
I was at an event in Worchester (Whoostah) Where Teddy Long in his referee role got a better pop than most of the wrestlers.

Pops don't equal drawing. Otherwise, Scotty 2 hotty would equal buyrates. Xero pointed out Sting, and he's a great example of a poor draw but a popular face.

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Hell, with just his naem on WM23, it sold out in no time at all.
False.

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And it seems millions of people agree with me on both points.
Millions of people in your head, maybe.
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Hogan was more over than Rock. To evens suggest Rock is more popular than Hogan is ludicrous.
Not at that point. To compare the two of them in thge Rock's Era is like asking if Mohammed Ali could beat Mike Tyson TODAY.
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Old 07-02-2007, 10:10 PM   #44
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No... Hogan was the heel.

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Not at that point. To compare the two of them in thge Rock's Era is like asking if Mohammed Ali could beat Mike Tyson TODAY.
But it's not a fight.

It's a battle of who is the bigger name and who's been more over.

Hogan wins that hands down.
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What a great comeback.
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Old 07-02-2007, 10:12 PM   #45
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Also, Hogan drew for SummerSlam.
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Old 07-03-2007, 09:43 AM   #46
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What an absurd discussion.

Hogan is a legend, but face facts, other than a couple of nostalgia appearances, he really hasn't provided anything concrete in recent years. Wrestlemania with the Rock was a case of reliving a part of history for one night, not a sign he was more over then Rock. Need proof? Isn't it funny how the buyrate for Hogan's title win, or the dip in ratings during his title run, isn't mentioned on his list of accolades?

Hogan and Shawn, and to a small extent, maybe even Bret Hart, drew the Summerslam buyrate, no question, because it was built very well. Hogan and Orton wasn't built nearly as well, and the buyrate was at normal Summerslam level - he didn't add anything to the show that year, and did do damage to Orton's stock - he went from a high level heel to wrestling a nothing match with Carlito the next month, and then becoming the clear second banana in a group with Edge that should have been two heels of equal importance.

As for Hogan in WCW, lets not forget that he was on top when the WWF took back over, and WCW tanked into the dirt. Hell, at one point, and this is in the Death of WCW book, in 1999, a Hogan segment was actually beaten in the head to head ratings by a Steve Blackman Vs. Val Venis match.

Also, the rationale that Mania sold out with only Hogan's name is preposterous, if he meant that much, don't you think the Hogan Vs. Big Show match would have done better than 2,000 paid attendance, and 3,500 free entries?
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Old 07-03-2007, 10:40 AM   #47
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Hogan is a legend, but face facts, other than a couple of nostalgia appearances, he really hasn't provided anything concrete in recent years. Wrestlemania with the Rock was a case of reliving a part of history for one night, not a sign he was more over then Rock. Need proof? Isn't it funny how the buyrate for Hogan's title win, or the dip in ratings during his title run, isn't mentioned on his list of accolades?
Uh....the ratings dip had crap to do with Hogan's title run. They were low during Taker's run as well.

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Also, the rationale that Mania sold out with only Hogan's name is preposterous, if he meant that much, don't you think the Hogan Vs. Big Show match would have done better than 2,000 paid attendance, and 3,500 free entries?
Is Memphis as big a promotion as the WWE? Do most average wrestling fans have a clue that match took place? And who brings in most money? Average fans.

Plus most people were expecting Lawler/Hogan. This was a disappointment to many.
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Old 07-03-2007, 12:42 PM   #48
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Uh....the ratings dip had crap to do with Hogan's title run.
Funny how that works out, huh.

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Is Memphis as big a promotion as the WWE? Do most average wrestling fans have a clue that match took place? And who brings in most money? Average fans.

Plus most people were expecting Lawler/Hogan. This was a disappointment to many.
Memphis has been able to sell out 13,500 seats at the Mid-South Coliseum for years and is one of the biggest markets in terms of actual wrestling audience in the country because it's been an institution there for so long. It was absolutely possible to draw more that 2,000 paying fans, but people didn't care.

As for the Hogan/Lawler - that's the exact point, Mania wasn't a case of "Hogan's name sold it out", and if he still had that ability, his opposition on that Memphis show wouldn't have mattered because he was still Hulk Hogan.
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Old 07-03-2007, 03:47 PM   #49
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I've always wondered how people figure out who 'draws' well. What do people do, go through all the TV ratings/PPV buys or financial figures or something? Always sounds like a load of bollocks to me when people talk about how well people draw.

The Rock was the man though. I miss his days in the Corporation.
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Old 07-03-2007, 03:52 PM   #50
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I've always wondered how people figure out who 'draws' well. What do people do, go through all the TV ratings/PPV buys or financial figures or something? Always sounds like a load of bollocks to me when people talk about how well people draw.

The Rock was the man though. I miss his days in the Corporation.
I have all the RAW's from 98 and 99, I'm watching that part now.
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Old 07-03-2007, 04:31 PM   #51
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They pretty much got cheered right off the bat so that kind of ruined it.
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Old 07-03-2007, 09:04 PM   #52
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Old 07-04-2007, 03:11 AM   #53
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The nWo would have worked beautifully if the WWE hadn't pulled the trigger on turning Hogan face at Mania, only a month after the group had reformed.

Also, if Scott Hall wasn't an unreliable, drunken, irresponsible piece of shit, and if Nash hadn't gone and torn his quad, they might have had something.
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