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Old 07-24-2007, 02:12 PM   #41
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So what has more chance of happening?

Orton getting Orton'd again at Unforgiven

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Orton losing to HHH ala Hulk Hogan at Wrestlemania IX
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Old 07-24-2007, 05:02 PM   #42
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Old 07-24-2007, 05:06 PM   #43
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I was expecting Rhodes and Orton to keep feuding only for Goldust to come back...meh
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Old 07-24-2007, 05:07 PM   #44
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This screams backstage politics.

Reportedly, Triple H pushes for Randy Orton to win the WWE Championship at SummerSlam.

Reportedly, Triple H will have a return program with Randy Orton after SummerSlam.
Reportedly, if it gets the title off of Cena the world will rejoice
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Old 07-24-2007, 05:10 PM   #45
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For a minimum of a week
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Old 07-24-2007, 05:12 PM   #46
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Orton/Cena

Good chance Orton will win the WWE Title.

The question is...

What kind of pop will Orton get at the PPV?
If the WWE play it off right, I wonder if they could pull off the old heel/face switch?

It probably won't happen (nor should it), but the fans DO love Orton.

I believe that Orton could be a very good face IF (and this is a big IF) they don't make him start kissing the fans ass (as he did back in 04').

One big mistake the WWE makes with all its top faces nowadays, is that they make their faces lose the 'edge' to their characters (that 'edge' of which made them great heels).
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Old 07-24-2007, 05:18 PM   #47
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No no no. Heyman, I love you but this Orton heel thing would be a fresh thing for one thing. I am sick and tired of watching a face champion. A heel champion would open so many doors. Orton is years away from a face turn because as of right now, he reminds me of The Rock. Like seriously. He is a heel, does heel things, but yet fans still cheer him. It's like the Rock from his latter nation days Corporation days.
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Reportedly, if it gets the title off of Cena the world will rejoice
Reportedly, only if Triple H doesn't win the title from Orton immediately afterwards.
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Old 07-24-2007, 05:27 PM   #49
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Reportedly, only if Triple H doesn't win the title from Orton immediately afterwards.
Reportedly, only the internet community known as TPWW will be upset if HHH wins it right away. Everyone else will still rejoice.
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Old 07-24-2007, 05:37 PM   #50
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I'm hoping Triple H comes back, and gets injured. I know I just wished harm on a man, and I feel awful for that, but honestly, the man is not what the main event scene of RAW needs right now. I honestly believe it will be a bad move to put the WWE Championship on Triple H until late April/early May next year. Have him feud with Booker, then move into a non-title program with Orton, and then have him feud with Ric Flair heading into Ric's alleged retirement match at WrestleMania, where he jobs to Hunter. Then Triple H can go after the WWE Championship, again.
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Old 07-24-2007, 05:44 PM   #51
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No no no. Heyman, I love you but this Orton heel thing would be a fresh thing for one thing. I am sick and tired of watching a face champion. A heel champion would open so many doors. Orton is years away from a face turn because as of right now, he reminds me of The Rock. Like seriously. He is a heel, does heel things, but yet fans still cheer him. It's like the Rock from his latter nation days Corporation days.
I didn't do the greatest job of explaining myself. I'll try again.

Basically - what I want, is for Randy Orton to be the EXACT INVERSE of John Cena.

Let me explain. John Cena is technically a face right now, but gets HUGE boos for the most part (especially in bigger PPV's).

What I hope that WWE do with Orton, is keep him as a heel right now.....but use his feud with Cena to garner him HUGE face pops.

Once Orton finishes his feud with Cena, he can still ACT like a heel (and pretty much still be one). However - the fans can cheer him anyway (ironically enough, similar to The Rock....the example that you mentioned).


Keep in mind - Austin and The Rock BOTH received their largest face pops (during their respective peaks in 98' and 99') when they both ACTED like a heel. The moment that both men deliberately started playing to the fans a lot more, is when both men started seeing a gradual decrease in their popularity.


BOTTOM LINE? If the WWE can somehow make Randy Orton an "inverse" of John Cena (i.e. technically a heel that gets cheered BIG TIME) it could mean good business.
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Old 07-24-2007, 06:51 PM   #52
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You mean you want them to do what they did with Brock Lesnar, and Randy Orton (the last time he was pushed) only not blow their load and screw it up again by turning him.
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Old 07-24-2007, 08:14 PM   #53
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You mean you want them to do what they did with Brock Lesnar, and Randy Orton (the last time he was pushed) only not blow their load and screw it up again by turning him.
Exactly. Just as the WWE has stuck with Cena as a face (despite him getting booed immensely), they should do (and should have done) the same with Orton...and Lesnar for that matter (i.e. stuck with them as heels DESPITE them getting cheered immensely).

Like I was trying to explain to Splaya. Orton doesn't "officially" have to turn face in order to get cheered (as just as Cena doesn't "offically" nave to turn heel in order to get booed). In fact, the exact opposite can happen if they made the complete turn (as we saw with Orton in late 04'/05').

Let Orton continue to act like a dick, and watch him get immense cheers...especially against Cena.
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Old 07-25-2007, 04:01 AM   #54
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Old 07-25-2007, 04:21 AM   #55
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Wasn't it Summerslam 2004?
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Old 07-25-2007, 03:37 PM   #56
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Yeah. Right now, RAW is where "the future" need to be cutting their teeth. Triple H isn't going to kill RAW if he wins the title, and I think Triple H can help the younger guys when having a feud with him. I'd have Triple H do non-title Main Event feuds and maximize the people wanting Triple H to win the belt. Then, you wait a little bit more and give it to them (I bet it draws! OMG). I am going to try and do this as realistically possible since I don't really like coming up with stuff that has 0% chance of happening:

Orton beats Cena at SSlam and keeps the title until at least WrestleMania. Have Triple H feud with Booker (which is obvious) until Survivor Series and go over (but please give Booker a win at least one of the PPVs). Then have a one-month feud against Jeff Hardy for Armageddon (Triple H goes over, but Jeff comes out looking legit for coming so close to beating Triple H). Then have Triple H enter the Rumble as one of the 1st 10 guys and last until the final 4 before being eliminated (the other 3 guys being Cena, Edge, Lashley). Lashley wins the Royal Rumble (which is what I am thinking will happen if he isn't injured). At No Way Out, I'd do Cena/HHH II. The match ends up a double KO after a hellacious bloody brawl (this will keep both of them looking strong). Ric Flair is announcing his retirement match at WrestleMania 24, and asks Triple H to be his final opponent. Obviously, Triple H agrees. They go old school and do the 2/3 Falls with a 60 minute time limit. Triple H wins the 1st and 3rd falls, and Flair wins the 2nd with the Figure 4. They hug and have hot anal mansex or whatever they wanna do after Flair's last match. Fast forward to the main event of WrestleMania 24, Randy Orton vs Bobby Lashley: Orton counters the spear into an RKO and Lashley kicks out at 2 (the crowd goes wild!). Orton goes crazy and poises to kick Lashley's head off (like he's been doing) but Lashley dodges the kick and spears Orton into 2 (bah gawd!). Lashley gets the 1-2-3!. (I'd rather go the WrestleMania XIX approach and have Orton beat Lashley in the sub-main event and have the SD! title match in the true Main Event spot with the face going over, but WWE wouldn't ever think of doing that.) Triple H gets the title match at Backlash, but Orton interferes and RKOs both of them (Lashley gets up first and spears Triple H for the pin). At Judgment Day have Orton vs Lashley vs Triple H for the WWE Championship. Orton pins Lashley and wins the WWE Championship back. Then at One Night Stand or Vengeance(whichever they keep), have Triple H vs Randy Orton for the WWE Championship. Orton wins through countout after a ref bump and Orton uses a sledgehammer on Triple H while they are fighting on the outside. Orton then gives him the kick of death. Orton gets back in the ring and wins by countout. At The Great American Bash, have Lashley vs Triple H for the SummerSlam #1 Contendership spot. Triple H wins after having to pedigree Lashley 3 times. Orton faces Jeff Hardy or somebody in the Main Event and retains. At SummerSlam, Triple H and Randy Orton face each other in an Ironman match. Triple H wins 4-3 and becomes the 11-Time Champion! Then you get Cena/HHH III going for awhile.

This way, a lot of young guys get the rub from "hanging" with Triple H and almost beating him. Lashley gets the ultimate push in wrestling, and Orton gets 2 reigns that are meaningful and a feud with Triple H that actually means something. That is the most important thing the WWE needs right now, feuds don't mean anything. This gives meaningful feuds that give a lot of people "on the cusp of greatness" the rub and sets them up for huge thing in late 2008/2009.
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Old 07-25-2007, 04:37 PM   #58
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Old 07-25-2007, 04:39 PM   #59
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Yeah probably

Orton is still gonna get the Gay pop though. That's something to be proud of.
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Yeah. Right now, RAW is where "the future" need to be cutting their teeth. Triple H isn't going to kill RAW if he wins the title, and I think Triple H can help the younger guys when having a feud with him. I'd have Triple H do non-title Main Event feuds and maximize the people wanting Triple H to win the belt. Then, you wait a little bit more and give it to them (I bet it draws! OMG). I am going to try and do this as realistically possible since I don't really like coming up with stuff that has 0% chance of happening:

Orton beats Cena at SSlam and keeps the title until at least WrestleMania. Have Triple H feud with Booker (which is obvious) until Survivor Series and go over (but please give Booker a win at least one of the PPVs). Then have a one-month feud against Jeff Hardy for Armageddon (Triple H goes over, but Jeff comes out looking legit for coming so close to beating Triple H). Then have Triple H enter the Rumble as one of the 1st 10 guys and last until the final 4 before being eliminated (the other 3 guys being Cena, Edge, Lashley). Lashley wins the Royal Rumble (which is what I am thinking will happen if he isn't injured). At No Way Out, I'd do Cena/HHH II. The match ends up a double KO after a hellacious bloody brawl (this will keep both of them looking strong). Ric Flair is announcing his retirement match at WrestleMania 24, and asks Triple H to be his final opponent. Obviously, Triple H agrees. They go old school and do the 2/3 Falls with a 60 minute time limit. Triple H wins the 1st and 3rd falls, and Flair wins the 2nd with the Figure 4. They hug and have hot anal mansex or whatever they wanna do after Flair's last match. Fast forward to the main event of WrestleMania 24, Randy Orton vs Bobby Lashley: Orton counters the spear into an RKO and Lashley kicks out at 2 (the crowd goes wild!). Orton goes crazy and poises to kick Lashley's head off (like he's been doing) but Lashley dodges the kick and spears Orton into 2 (bah gawd!). Lashley gets the 1-2-3!. (I'd rather go the WrestleMania XIX approach and have Orton beat Lashley in the sub-main event and have the SD! title match in the true Main Event spot with the face going over, but WWE wouldn't ever think of doing that.) Triple H gets the title match at Backlash, but Orton interferes and RKOs both of them (Lashley gets up first and spears Triple H for the pin). At Judgment Day have Orton vs Lashley vs Triple H for the WWE Championship. Orton pins Lashley and wins the WWE Championship back. Then at One Night Stand or Vengeance(whichever they keep), have Triple H vs Randy Orton for the WWE Championship. Orton wins through countout after a ref bump and Orton uses a sledgehammer on Triple H while they are fighting on the outside. Orton then gives him the kick of death. Orton gets back in the ring and wins by countout. At The Great American Bash, have Lashley vs Triple H for the SummerSlam #1 Contendership spot. Triple H wins after having to pedigree Lashley 3 times. Orton faces Jeff Hardy or somebody in the Main Event and retains. At SummerSlam, Triple H and Randy Orton face each other in an Ironman match. Triple H wins 4-3 and becomes the 11-Time Champion! Then you get Cena/HHH III going for awhile.

This way, a lot of young guys get the rub from "hanging" with Triple H and almost beating him. Lashley gets the ultimate push in wrestling, and Orton gets 2 reigns that are meaningful and a feud with Triple H that actually means something. That is the most important thing the WWE needs right now, feuds don't mean anything. This gives meaningful feuds that give a lot of people "on the cusp of greatness" the rub and sets them up for huge thing in late 2008/2009.
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Yeah. Right now, RAW is where "the future" need to be cutting their teeth. Triple H isn't going to kill RAW if he wins the title, and I think Triple H can help the younger guys when having a feud with him. I'd have Triple H do non-title Main Event feuds and maximize the people wanting Triple H to win the belt. Then, you wait a little bit more and give it to them (I bet it draws! OMG). I am going to try and do this as realistically possible since I don't really like coming up with stuff that has 0% chance of happening:

Orton beats Cena at SSlam and keeps the title until at least WrestleMania. Have Triple H feud with Booker (which is obvious) until Survivor Series and go over (but please give Booker a win at least one of the PPVs). Then have a one-month feud against Jeff Hardy for Armageddon (Triple H goes over, but Jeff comes out looking legit for coming so close to beating Triple H). Then have Triple H enter the Rumble as one of the 1st 10 guys and last until the final 4 before being eliminated (the other 3 guys being Cena, Edge, Lashley). Lashley wins the Royal Rumble (which is what I am thinking will happen if he isn't injured). At No Way Out, I'd do Cena/HHH II. The match ends up a double KO after a hellacious bloody brawl (this will keep both of them looking strong). Ric Flair is announcing his retirement match at WrestleMania 24, and asks Triple H to be his final opponent. Obviously, Triple H agrees. They go old school and do the 2/3 Falls with a 60 minute time limit. Triple H wins the 1st and 3rd falls, and Flair wins the 2nd with the Figure 4. They hug and have hot anal mansex or whatever they wanna do after Flair's last match. Fast forward to the main event of WrestleMania 24, Randy Orton vs Bobby Lashley: Orton counters the spear into an RKO and Lashley kicks out at 2 (the crowd goes wild!). Orton goes crazy and poises to kick Lashley's head off (like he's been doing) but Lashley dodges the kick and spears Orton into 2 (bah gawd!). Lashley gets the 1-2-3!. (I'd rather go the WrestleMania XIX approach and have Orton beat Lashley in the sub-main event and have the SD! title match in the true Main Event spot with the face going over, but WWE wouldn't ever think of doing that.) Triple H gets the title match at Backlash, but Orton interferes and RKOs both of them (Lashley gets up first and spears Triple H for the pin). At Judgment Day have Orton vs Lashley vs Triple H for the WWE Championship. Orton pins Lashley and wins the WWE Championship back. Then at One Night Stand or Vengeance(whichever they keep), have Triple H vs Randy Orton for the WWE Championship. Orton wins through countout after a ref bump and Orton uses a sledgehammer on Triple H while they are fighting on the outside. Orton then gives him the kick of death. Orton gets back in the ring and wins by countout. At The Great American Bash, have Lashley vs Triple H for the SummerSlam #1 Contendership spot. Triple H wins after having to pedigree Lashley 3 times. Orton faces Jeff Hardy or somebody in the Main Event and retains. At SummerSlam, Triple H and Randy Orton face each other in an Ironman match. Triple H wins 4-3 and becomes the 11-Time Champion! Then you get Cena/HHH III going for awhile.

This way, a lot of young guys get the rub from "hanging" with Triple H and almost beating him. Lashley gets the ultimate push in wrestling, and Orton gets 2 reigns that are meaningful and a feud with Triple H that actually means something. That is the most important thing the WWE needs right now, feuds don't mean anything. This gives meaningful feuds that give a lot of people "on the cusp of greatness" the rub and sets them up for huge thing in late 2008/2009.
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