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Old 08-19-2007, 05:39 AM   #41
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It never ceases to amusing me how moronicly devoted and deluded RoH monkeys are to actually believing that they could ever even step up to TNA's level of popularity. I mean, in essence, we're talking about a promotion that is envious of how many fans ECW had.
point well taken. ROH, to it's credit is something different. Right now the programs on television are putting out pure shit. One is a horribly booked piece of shit, and the other is WWE. I don't see how ROH getting a TV deal CAN'T be good for business in general because it would bring variety to the fans. I wouldn't put ROH at ECW's level as far as popularity. I'd put it at GWF's level, though. And GWF really gave us a bunch of nobodies like Jerry Lynn, the Ebony Experience (1/2 of which was Booker T), Handsome Stranger (aka Buff Bagwell, well, they can't ALL be winners), Scotty Flamingo (aka Raven), and Lightning Kid (aka Shawn Waltman). As bad as the booking is lately, and with the Steroid troubles that WWE and soon TNA is gonna have, a company like ROH will come out looking golden.

Or, it could just flare out like GWF and ECW. In either event, hell, it's worth a shot.
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Old 08-19-2007, 06:14 AM   #42
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I'm not saying RoH getting a TV deal wouldn't be good. Hell it would either have no effect on anything or it would slightly increase interest in, if nothing else, stars jumping ship from RoH to TNA or vice versa. But to think that they would be pushing WWE's buttons and evoking a second ratings war is somewhat of a ridiculous claim.

Now me personally, I find everything I seen out of RoH (sans a couple of Daniels' matches) to be pure shit. Well, Punk had a couple of matches that didn't remind me of fecal matter, but not many at that. You would probably find me watching *Insert Disney TV Show Name Here* before you would catch me watching RoH TV...but that in no way means I need to rain on everyone else's parade (if that's what you would call watching RoH). More wrestling on TV would probably never be a bad thing, unless it gets to the point of reality TV were you simply can't escape it, but I think we're a long ways off of that.

Long story short, I do not personally hold feelings of RoH getting a TV deal in a personally negative or positive light. I think their addition to TV might yeild some positive results on the industry (though limited at that). And finally, if you think that RoH getting a TV deal would in any way shape or form become a concern for WWE, than you are either A) Retarded, B) A RoH Monkey (please see: retarded), or C) consumed so many drugs in your life that even Flava Flav has to sit back and say "DAMN" to you...
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Old 08-19-2007, 12:35 PM   #43
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Seriously. Look at the numbers and tell me that TNA is beating WWE's ass. Look at the ratings, and the money, and then tell me TNA is kicking WWE's ass right now.

I don't really care about ratings. People will watch anything if they've watched it for years, whether it's good or bad. What i meant was, at the moment tna are putting on a better show than wwe is.
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Old 08-19-2007, 01:02 PM   #44
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I think ROH on TV would make TNA better. TNA doesn't seem to care about becoming the #1 promotion, but it might make them worry about staying #2. There's potential for a "ratings war", of sorts, between ROH and TNA and that might be good for the whole industry. It might wake one or both of them up and vastly improve their quality of programming, and then eventually move on to the level of WWE.
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Jericho is probably the only person who could get me to watch every week again. If he shows, anywhere, I will return to religious viewing of that show to say the least...
If it's TNA you won't.
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Old 08-19-2007, 01:13 PM   #46
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If Jericho went to TNA, you bet your ass I'd watch Impact every week.
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Old 08-19-2007, 01:48 PM   #47
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For a month or two. MAYBE

Then it would suck, and make you not care about Jericho. It would be like they did with everyone else.

No matter the wrestler it's not going to change.
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Old 08-19-2007, 01:56 PM   #48
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legend, I'm not entirely sure you're aware just how big of a Jericholic I am. I have missed only a handful (3 I believe) shows that had Jericho on them. I haven't ordered a PPV since SummerSlam 2005 (Jericho's last PPV). I watched Android Apocalypse on Sci-Fi to see Jericho. I watched the ENTIRE I Love The 80's series on VH1 for his like 12 or 13 little couple second comments. Jericho was the only wrestler who I've ever bought a poster for and hung on my wall (it's been down for a good 4 or 5 years now, but still...). In a strange way, I've had more loyalty to Jericho than I've had to Flair, The Kliq, JBL or even Billy Gunn. I may love and worship others as gods, but Jericho is the one man who ALWAYS puts my ass in the seat.

It wouldn't matter what they did with him or anyone else, if TNA got Jericho, TNA would have bought one more viewer every single week.
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Old 08-19-2007, 02:04 PM   #49
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Christian Cage and Jericho together would be awesomeness.
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Dude I was a huge Angle mark, and I don't really care about him anymore. TNA has no idea how to book anyone.

TOVO, you will end up not caring being disguested with Jericho going to TNA. That's not going to change no matter who they bring in.

It's TNA man, and that's all you need to know. Jericho or any other wrestler isn't going to change TNA.
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Christian Cage and Jericho together would be awesomeness.
O great another WWE angle TNA can rehash.
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Couldnt be any worse then a WWE angle rehashed by WWE.
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Yes it can, and it would be.
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TNA has vastly improved from a year ago.
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No they haven't. There has been no improvment in TNA at all.

This time last year TNA was putting out a pretty good product or at least a much better product then they are now.
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Dude I was a huge Angle mark, and I don't really care about him anymore. TNA has no idea how to book anyone.

TOVO, you will end up not caring being disguested with Jericho going to TNA. That's not going to change no matter who they bring in.

It's TNA man, and that's all you need to know. Jericho or any other wrestler isn't going to change TNA.
I don't know what your complaining about, Angle has actually been used quite well. He's probably one of the 4 or 5 wrestlers in the world today who isn't being treated like a prop from the 1980's era.
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Some will complain no matter what.
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I don't know what your complaining about, Angle has actually been used quite well. He's probably one of the 4 or 5 wrestlers in the world today who isn't being treated like a prop from the 1980's era.
They compeltly dropped the ball on Angle. Angle adds nothing to TNA anymore.

Is anyone buying PPV's to see Angle anymore? No. Sure Angle has been funny, and performing alright, but I still don't care about him.

They should have made Angle seem special. Angle shouldn't be on impact every week. They shoud make Kurt Angle matches seem like a big deal. They compleltly lost that.

There will no difference with Jericho. Nothing will change.
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Old 08-19-2007, 02:27 PM   #59
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Angle is a contracted wrestler. Of course he's going to be on every show. Do you think Austin was only used on PPVs back in the Attitude era? Or Hogan only appeared at Manias? Angle is currently the best active wrestler in the world today, and TNA treats him as the best in the world. He gets top billing, the highest profile feuds and matches, and even has 3 fucking matches at the next PPV! How much more can TNA make it clear "Kurt Angle is All We've Got!"

I've never, ever, heard of a fan of someone who's main bit ch is they see too much of them.
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BUT IF I SEE TOO MUCH OF HIM ON TV WHY AM I GOING TO BUY THE PPV?

C'mon now. Not that hard to figure out.
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And why would TNA use there highest paid talent once every month or two? Does that make sense at all?
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BUT IF I SEE TOO MUCH OF HIM ON TV WHY AM I GOING TO BUY THE PPV?

C'mon now. Not that hard to figure out.
Again, are you trying to make a point of idiocy here? The Rock, Steve Austin, Triple H, Mick Foley, Hulk Hogan, Kevin Nash, Goldberg...some of the people responsible for the highest PPV buys of all time, so you somehow not remember them on every single RAW, SmackDown, Nitro and Thunder?
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BUT IF I SEE TOO MUCH OF HIM ON TV WHY AM I GOING TO BUY THE PPV?

C'mon now. Not that hard to figure out.
Angle doesnt wrestle every show, he might only wrestle once in between PPV's and he gets about 5-8 minutes each show of air time to further his storylines with backstage segments and promos, and such.
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And do you have selective memory where Kurt Angle was only used on PPV in WWE? I'm so confused how seeing a lot of a wrestler you like is a BAD thing???
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God, Alienoid gets so desperate for more Val Venis, Basham and L&K that he's made up an entire fantasy world where they're on every segment of every show. You should tell him how lucky he is that he only gets to see his favorites once a month or so, cause then, you REALLY appreciate them.
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Yes actually.

Now see since Angle would only be wrestling on PPV's people would be more inclined to buy them. Which in return you would make more money.

So yes having Angle only wrestle on PPV's would benfit TNA more then having him all over their TV show.
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Again, how often does Kurt Angle actually wrestle on Impact?
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Old 08-19-2007, 02:50 PM   #68
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Again, are you trying to make a point of idiocy here? The Rock, Steve Austin, Triple H, Mick Foley, Hulk Hogan, Kevin Nash, Goldberg...some of the people responsible for the highest PPV buys of all time, so you somehow not remember them on every single RAW, SmackDown, Nitro and Thunder?
I can remember during the attiude era the PPV buyrates actually slipping, because people thought the same way I'm thinking right now.

Rating aren't that important anymore, and they shouldn't be important to TNA. TNA isn't going to drop far below or go that that much high then a 1.0 or .9 no matter who is on their show. TNA can't convert their audience to buying PPVs which should be their number 1 prioirty, but it's not, becasue they are morans.

UFC has showed everyone ratings aren't that big of a deal.

Also we all know Angle is pretty broken down so only having him wrestle that one time a month could help his career and protect TNA's investment at the same time.

See... Everyone wins.
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Old 08-19-2007, 02:54 PM   #69
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Again, how often does Kurt Angle actually wrestle on Impact?
I know a few months there I was seeing him wrestle on back to back Impacts.

And now I get to see Angle in every other segment on their show every week. He's been kinda hit or miss too.

I'm all for goofy Kurt too btw, but a lot of that angle with Joe and his wife didn't really do anything for me.
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Old 08-20-2007, 12:26 AM   #70
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I'm not saying RoH getting a TV deal wouldn't be good. Hell it would either have no effect on anything or it would slightly increase interest in, if nothing else, stars jumping ship from RoH to TNA or vice versa. But to think that they would be pushing WWE's buttons and evoking a second ratings war is somewhat of a ridiculous claim.
I could be an ass here and play a semantics game about how I never mentioned WWE when I uttered those two words, but it was implicit. As such, I'll admit that it was hyperbole, and if you want to continue to shame me on that regard, fine.

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Now me personally, I find everything I seen out of RoH (sans a couple of Daniels' matches) to be pure shit. Well, Punk had a couple of matches that didn't remind me of fecal matter, but not many at that. You would probably find me watching *Insert Disney TV Show Name Here* before you would catch me watching RoH TV...but that in no way means I need to rain on everyone else's parade (if that's what you would call watching RoH). More wrestling on TV would probably never be a bad thing, unless it gets to the point of reality TV were you simply can't escape it, but I think we're a long ways off of that.
As far as your not like ROH, you are entitled to your opinion. I am not gonna argue with you on it, as that would be petty and idiotic. I have seen only one bad ROH match, and boy was it a turd (Joey Matthews vs. Krazy K vs. Jeff Hardy). I also see it as a promotion with a lot of potential. I honestly believe that there is a market for Professional Wrestling being based around actual wrestling. If ROH can deliver on that front (and it has its moments in which it can), they'll survive.

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Long story short, I do not personally hold feelings of RoH getting a TV deal in a personally negative or positive light. I think their addition to TV might yeild some positive results on the industry (though limited at that). And finally, if you think that RoH getting a TV deal would in any way shape or form become a concern for WWE, than you are either A) Retarded, B) A RoH Monkey (please see: retarded), or C) consumed so many drugs in your life that even Flava Flav has to sit back and say "DAMN" to you...


I know that was an insult directed at me, but I was impressed by the last part. ROH is the #3 promotion in the US, and unlike the CZW guy, I think I can say that with a certain amount of accuracy. I agree with Mercury Bullet's sentiments above. I should have been more articulate in that regard. They and TNA would be initially battling for a distant 2nd. The battle could have the potential to make that 2nd closer to 1st. I say it's worth a shot. Long story short, let's agree to disagree.
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Old 08-20-2007, 03:52 AM   #71
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Angle ... even has 3 fucking matches at the next PPV! How much more can TNA make it clear "Kurt Angle is All We've Got!"
Therein lies the problem. Angle holding three belts is stupid. It really is TNA screaming, "This is all we have! Love us! Worship us!" It's pretty much a repeat of Angle's entry into the then-WWF, when he went undefeated until Taz choked him out.

The addition of Chris Jericho, as much of a Jerichoholic as I am myself, isn't going to change one thing. It'll mean that TNA has two former WWE champions instead of one ... and that's about it. Hell, for most modern wrestling fans, Jericho is at best a fading memory. His presence might draw a smark here and there, but it's not smarks who have one of those 5,000 Nielsen boxes in their homes.
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