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DISCUSSION - My proposed TEAM CANADA idea (Jericho/Benoit/Edge/Bret Hart, etc.
DISCUSSION - My proposed TEAM CANADA idea (Jericho/Benoit/Edge/Bret Hart, etc.
In the last month, Chris Benoit has come to Raw. It is also not farfetched to assume that Edge will defect to Raw as well. What does this mean? Every Canadian wrestler (as far as I know) will be on the RAW roster. With rumors circulating that Chris Benoit will win the title, combined with the fact that Bret Hart may give a "farewell" speech of sorts........I'm starting to REALLY wish that the WWE do another Canada/America angle (similar to the one that they did in 1997)....where the Canadians would be 'faces' in the Canada and heels in the USA. This wouldn't be something gay like the UnAmericans or Les Resistance either.....due to this stable consisting of MUCH greater "marquee" names and being a larger stable. Team Canada -Chris Benoit (World Champion) -Bret Hart (manager) -Chris Jericho (main-eventer who fights other main-eventers not fighting Chris Benoit) -Trish Stratus (Jericho's valet/Women's Champion). -Test (Group muscle) -Edge/Christian (tag team champs) -Lance Storm (Intercontinental Champion) -Val Venis (co-contender for the IC title if Storm loses the title). Here is what I wouldn't mind seeing happening within the next few months: -At Wrestlemania, Chris Benoit pins Triple H to become the NEW World Champion (yes.....Triple H defies his internet critics and takes it up the ass from Benoit.......Triple H receives Sweet Chin music first, and then gets pinned with the Flying Headbutt). -The night after Wrestlemania, Shawn Michaels challenges Benoit for a world title shot (since he never actually got pinned). Benoit accepts. On this night, it is also announced that Bret Hart will give a "farewell" speech of sorts at Backlash. -At Backlash, Bret comes out to a HUGE 5 minute standing ovation. Bret talks about his career, being appreciative to his fans, etc. Bret also mentions how he holds no grudge against Vince.......or Shawn Michaels. *backstage skit* - Bret comes face to face with Shawn Michaels. HBK extends his hand and says 'hey'. Bret Hart then says, 'good luck tonight'. -In the main-event, HBK takes on Benoit. The two put on a great match. Towards the end, Bret Hart comes out (to another huge pop). HBK nails Benoit with Sweet Chin music. He goes for the pin......1.......2.....Bret pulls the ref out! HBK gets up and goes toward Bret (asking him, "wtf!"). Suddenly out of nowhere, Test comes out and nails HBK! Storm, Venis, Christian, and Jericho also hit the ring and stomp away on HBK. The crowd is going nuts! Since it's a "no DQ" match, Benoit then gets the pin for the 1...2....3. After the match, Team CAnada continue to beat away on HBK. Team Canada holds HBK down. Bret then grabs a chair, and nails HBK's knee (which then explains HBK's knee injury.....he can then take legitimate time off after this). Bret's music hits again, and Team Canada holds up a Canadian flag. Crowd goes nuts again (although some people 'boo' due to the heelishness of the act...???). Advantages of such a scenerio occuring 1) Raw's best workers will be at the 'forefront' of the action on Raw (i.e. Benoit, Jericho, Lance Storm, Christian, etc.). Since Team Canada will be the 'main stable', all of these guys will be involved in the most important angles. 2) Bret Hart being involved in a highly significant angle (this angle can last for a good 5-6 months?) should help bolster TV ratings. Potential disadvantages and storyline inconsistencies that I can see 1) What happens with the whole Jericho/Christian/Trish storyline? -Perhaps this can be explained by the fact that Jericho and Christian's friendship is a lot deeper than people think. Yes - a girl came between them, but they can put aside differences. If you recall, Jericho and Christian hinted a break-up last year (when they almost feuded for the IC title.....Christian actually called Jericho out, and then got beat down by Jericho....Austin then applauded Jericho). 2) What happens with the potential Edge/Christian feud if Edge returns to Raw? -They kiss and make up; plain and simple. They are brothers. Perhaps a week after Wrestlemania, Edge announces that he is coming to Raw.....and Christian better watch out. On the night of Edge's return, Christian is fighting RVD. Edge comes out! It looks like Edge will hit Christian, but he nails RVD. Christian wins the match. At Backlash, Edge and Christian take on Rob Van Dam and Booker T. As far as the "who hit Edge?" storyline from last year's No Way Out, that to can be dropped. Fans have a short memory anyways - I don't think too many people will care....let alone remember. 3) What happens with Evolution? Since Evolution is the main stable for Raw right now, what would happen with them? I say break them up after Wrestlemania. Triple H leaves to go film movies for awhile. Flair can also take time off to rest his injured neck (maybe they can do an angle where Orton or Batista break Flair's neck in frustration?). Since Smackdown are in need of heels right now, perhaps Orton and Batista can head over there (after they break Flair's neck! ![]() As far as Orton goes, he can get into an epic feud with John Cena over the US title. Perhaps this could be the equivalent of The Rock/Triple H from 1998 (where both men 'go over' due to the awesomeness of their feud). |
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Ok, First of all if that were to happen I would totally go apeshit. But there is no WAY Bret is going to be involved in WWE storylines (or so I'm told from Rob and CyNick every other week
![]() The biggest problem with this is that the Canada angle has been done too many times already. And I WANT TO SEE ORTON LEAD A NEW EVOLUTION GROUP. So taking that away would suck for me. But I have always wanted to see a group like this with all great Canadian Wrestlers. |
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Bret Hart is never coming back. Get over it.
As for the whole angle, no way. The whole Anti-USA gimmick has been done to death, especially with Canadians. Yeah, it was novel to have a big stable with the Hart Foundation, and for a while Lance Storm was one of the hottest heels in WCW with that gimmick, but it's gotten unbelievably old and offers little to no room for a long-term character. Just look at La Resistance; nobody gives a f>uck about them now. Let a heel get over on his own merit, instead of clamoring for cheap heat. And Orton/Batista leading anything would be a recipe for disaster. Right now, all the members of Evolution are sucking off of Ric Flair's heat, or getting booed simply by being on the opposite side of Mick Foley, and now that Flair's possibly out of wrestling for good, things don't bode too well for them. Especially when Trips is off making crappy movies. |
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Bret and Vince have a decent relationship now and are on speaking terms. Quote:
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Heyman: Yeah, but D-X was a whole different kind of stable from Evolution. D-X got over because it was full of raunchy badass types that fit in perfectly with the Attitude era. Plus, they were faces for a lot of the time. Evolution's just another take on the Four Horsemen formula, in that they're made of a rich elitist champ and his cronies, which works when someone like Flair is in charge. Problem is, they don't identify at all with the audience, so if one of the henchmen steps up and becomes the leader, it doesn't work at all.
How long do you think the Horsemen would have stayed on top with Tully Blanchard as the leader? That's more or less the exact same thing as putting Orton in charge of Evolution (except that Blanchard was somewhat over) |
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Bringing back old storylines never works. Especially when the Canada vs. America thing has been done to death.
If Bret Hart came back, it would never be for a storyline (HOW MANY TIMES DO WE NEED TO SAY IT?!) and do you really thing he is gonna ever get booed? |
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As far as Bret being 'booed' is concerned, I think he'll always get a mixed crowd reaction if such a thing happened (probably more face reactions than anything, but the responses will be appropriate when needed). I think he'll basically be what Ric Flair is right now (not intially......he'll get popped like crazy initially, but over a decent time span). Remember - Shawn Michaels came back to a huge pop when he joined the nWo. However - he started getting decent heel heat over time (when he sweet chinned Booker T). |
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While what you say is probably right, I remain optimistic. "Who knows what can happen" is my whole philosophy. Quote:
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Maybe the WWE did misuse Owen Hart, but Owen still did a great job in putting over younger talent. Quote:
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Classic example too of 'Anyone can book one good show' and someone knowing nothing about what's going on. NOBODY, not one single soul, would boo Bret Hart or anything like looked like a new Hart Foundation. 5 minute standing ovation? You clearly have no idea how over Bret Hart was in Canada. Him coming back would make the Hogan standing o's look like a Chris Benoit pop now.
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As far as Bret's face pop is concerned, it would definitely out pop Hogan's Montreal ovation. I didn't want to overexaagerate (which is why I only said 5 minute standing ovation). Perhaps it would be 10 or 15 minutes....I don't know. |
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As far as Bret being heel is concerned, I think it should clearly be a Canada/USA thing like in 97'. Maybe even have Team Canada be faces in Canada, and the opposing forces (i.e. RVD, Booker T, Triple H, Shawn Michaels, etc.) be heels in Canada. |
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I like the idea of Bret doing a Team Canada angle in principle, but in reality (which is what we have to deal with) that would never happen, nor should it.
Rob already covered why it wouldn't happen with Bret. Its insane to compare lawsuits between millionaires to someone getting humiliated on live TV and then having his brother killed on another live PPV due to negligence by the company. Heyman, you said that Owen wasn't forced to do the stunt, well in a lot of ways he was. Originally he was being booked in an angle with Debra and Jarrett where they wanted to make it look like Owen was having an affair with Debra. Owen didn't want to do that. He nixed another angle they wanted to do with him, but I forget the details. Then they came to him with the Blazer idea, which he felt he had to do because he could only say 'no' to Vince so many time before being in jeapordy of losing his job. At the time he was building a house for his family and couldn't afford to be fired (there was no guarantee that WCW would have taken him at the time). If you do Canada vs USA that means Team Canada have to play heels. Even if Bret agreed to work that angle (which he wouldn't becaus ehe doesn't want to be a heel and he just doesn't want to be part of any angles) it wouldn't work, just like Flair doesn't draw as a heel. Poeple want to cheer him, and when they are told to boo him, they turn away. I think the same would happen with Bret, even to a larger degree just base don what has happened to Bret over the last 5 years. It would also screw up the push of guys like Orton, because he would be forced into a sudden babyafce turn that he is nowhere near ready for. And there are too many issues between CDN talents or US talents that would have to be dropped for no good reason. I think its a decent idea to put all the CDN guys on one show because that way you can run Canada with the RAW crew almost exclusively. I think thats a decent idea because it would create some sense of 'home markets' for each brand. So RAW would be dominant in Canada because of the CDN talents on RAW, but on the other hand Smackdown would dominate the Mexican boarder towns because of Eddie/Rey and Chavo. So, you dont have to bunch them all up in a faction, you just have them on the same side, and have them be faces and heels just like the American guys. I think that is far more effective for the long run. |
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I know this sounds like I'm trying to be funny and I'm over-stating the case, but anyone who has ever been to events in Canada or lives here, knows how much people love ret and how much HBK is hated for what he did to Bret. Dont get me wrong, HBK has fans up here, but if he's up against Bret or like I said any form of Team Canada people here will be screaming for HBK to get skinned alive. |
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Yeah, that's the only thing I really want to see. A bunch of Canandian Wrestlers beating the sh** out of Shawn Michaels would make my day. |
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I forgot that Rena Mero and Hulk Hogan had brothers who died on live PPVs doing stunt they were forced to do as punishments (no stunt, no job and that's the facts).
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Also - Bret and Vince are clearly on speaking terms now. As far as Rena Mero is concerned, she once tried to sue Vince for 120 million dollars. |
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Simply put, why would they bring in Bret to have him as a heel? First of all, he was never comfortable playing the heel anyways. And as has been stated already, who would wanna boo him? Now I wouldn't mind him coming in, maybe at Backlash, give a speech, and possibly be in Benoit's corner. Or even verbally pash the torch to Benoit, but that's the extent of it.
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That angle is too good to come true. Because we're dealing with Vince McMahon here.
Until I see it or some hint at it, I'm expecting nothing special. |
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The thing that wouldn't work the most in a Team Canada fued is that there is no one to be on team america. Why start tinkering with current characters changing them into america lovers.
Lets just say that Team Canada had Bret, Benoit, Jericho, Christain, Edge, Trish, Test and Venis Who would Team usa have? HBK (manager to counteract Bret), RVD, Booker T, Dudleyz, Lita, two random lower card guys. Plus this idea is putting a lot of eggs into one basket. After you take out the two teams the only talent left is HHH, Batista, Orton and Kane |
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Then of course, you'd always have Foley, Austin, and a Rock from time to time. That was my line of thinking. |
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But honestly, what would be the point? Orton and Batista wouldn't do any good for the SD roster, especially if it's to replace two of their biggest names (Benoit and Edge) Most of the people in those stables would gain a lot more out of singles pushes than just getting lumped into a stable. And the whole USA vs Canada feud has been milked to death by just about every wrestling promotion around.
The whole angle wouldn't do anyone any good in the long-run. |
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You Actually forgot a Canadian, Since Rene Dupree is actually Canadian
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Call them the Hart Foundation Instead
Call them the Hart Foundation Instead
I just re-read my original post. Instead of doing a "Canada vs. America" thing again, why not just call them The Hart Foundation. So for example, Benoit defeats HBK in Edmonton (to retain the title). Instead of cutting a "pro-Canada" promo in the next American city that they (Hart Foundation) are in (which would get 'boos' from the American crowd), they cut a NEUTRAL promo. They talk about how they are a stable and they will oppose anything that comes there way. So basically - the FANS decide (within the next few weeks) whether this "Hart Foundation" stable is heel or face. The Hart Foundation beat up guys like Kane, Matt Hardy, etc. However, they also beat on faces such as RVD and Booker T. Steve Austin also stays 'neutral' towards the Hart Foundation for the first few weeks. If the fans start to love the Hart Foundation, then perhaps guys like Triple H, Evolution, Kane, and Shawn Michaels should be heels. If the opposite however, then they should be faces. |
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When has a resurrected old stable EVER worked? All 47 different versions of the nWo and D-X and the Four Horsemen were pretty much flops. And most of the time, those versions still had most of the original members.
What would be the point of a new Hart Foundation if the only original member won't even wrestle? |
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Also - think about the controversy that this would create. Bret Hart left as the fallen leader of the Hart Foundation. If he reformed it, the fans would be mega interested.....may even bring back some old time fans who stopped watching the WWE circa 2001. Also - think about what it would do for a guy like Chris Benoit.....who would be the centerpiece of the Hart Foundation as the World Champion. Think about what it would do for guys like Chris Jericho, Christian, Lance Storm, Edge, and even Val Venis (all of whom, along with Chris Benoit, are the top workers on Raw). All of these men would have "significance" and would be involved in decent programs. Test could finally establish himself as a big man with a big penis. He can feud with guys like Kane, Batsta, etc., and get key wins. He would be the 'muscle' of the group. Like I said (in my latest post) - the FANS can decide whether the Hart Foundation should be heels or face. If the response for Bret Hart's arrival (even in the USA) is overwhelmingly positive, then I say have heel turns of mass proportions. Have Shawn Michaels, Booker T, and RVD gradually turn heel to oppose this stable (along with Kane and Evolution). These guys don't have to be "unified" in their attemps to bring down the Hart Foundation (as that would be nonsensical), but they could be their key adversaries. If the fans stay 'patriotic' and dislike the Hart Foundation, then have the HF be faces in Canada and heels in the USA (while their adversaries are the exact opposite). |
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Yeah, don't FK up the legacy of the Hart Foundation. Just let it be.
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We all know how over tweeners get now don't we.
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p.s. Also - guys like Jericho, Christian, Edge, Val Venis, and Lance Storm can all cut above average to excellent promos. I'm sure that they would captivate the interest of the fans eiter way. |
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