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Old 10-15-2007, 02:10 PM   #41
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Also, I'm going to DL Penn and Teller, they did have them OnDemand, and know that I know what the show is about, it sound pretty interesting.
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Old 10-15-2007, 05:38 PM   #42
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Now, if we can see some people in the WWE go up to Vince McMahon in a similar fashion to tell him just what doing the polar OPPOSITE of what pleases more than just his ego is doing, then we would actually have a boom period on our hands.

(This is, of course, assuming this TNA thing actually plays out for all good).
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Old 10-15-2007, 09:08 PM   #43
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We don't need that, DP. We just need TNA to do it.

Vince would step up if there was a threat, period.
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Old 10-16-2007, 03:23 AM   #44
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We don't need that, DP. We just need TNA to do it.

Vince would step up if there was a threat, period.
Point taken.....

...sadly, though, not by those that need to get it.
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Old 10-16-2007, 05:15 AM   #45
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Why do you choose to view things as you'd like? I didnt say it wasn't shit, and I didn't say that they shouldn't make a change. I just want the smarks to stop bitching about Russo all the time, when clearly they know nothing.
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(Pretty much the same points I made about Russo perhaps not being the head writer, but the writing still being shit.)
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I like KK's logic.


Seriously, though. People bitching about Russo is more metaphorical than literal. People just think that TNA is shit, and they want it to be changed. No one sings the praises of Dutch or Jarrett, Russo just has the bad reputation, and he represents a style of booking, more than anything.

What pisses me off is when something shitty happens, the fans let TNA know by complaining about it, and starting "Fire Russo" chants, which does not actually mean "Hey, Vince Russo specifically is bad," it means "Hey, this shit is bad." Dixie Carter misses the point completely by going "Believe it or not, this isn't dog shit...it's horse shit." It doesn't matter what kind of shit it is, any kind of shit is bad.

Also, KK, as much as you make sense at some points in this thread, Dixie Carter also said TNA morale is great, and that TNA has the best storylines in wrestling, and used Kurt Angle slapping Sting's son as an example. I wouldn't use her as a reliable reference.

The point is not whether or not Vince Russo is behind as much as he is given credit for. It really doesn't matter, because Dutch and Jarrett are also doing their best impersonation of a monkey with ADHD, complete with viewer feces toss.
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Old 10-16-2007, 10:50 AM   #46
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TNA is still better than SmackDown. Sad sad sad.
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Old 10-16-2007, 12:20 PM   #47
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It probably has to do with me expressing those sentiments without putting words into IC's mouth.
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Old 10-16-2007, 12:31 PM   #48
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It probably has to do with me expressing those sentiments without putting words into IC's mouth.

Alienoid, put words in someone's mouth? Nah....couldn't be.
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Old 10-16-2007, 12:32 PM   #49
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Point taken.....

...sadly, though, not by those that need to get it.
Yeah, truly. WWE doesn't care about the fans until they actually amount to dollar signs.

TNA seems to care about the fans on some level, but it's more "By the grace of being on TV, we will attract fans WWE's turning away with its bad programming!" Which ignores that fans who are turning away from bad programming probably aren't going to go tune into mediocre programming.

Their model seems to be "We're a viable alternative by default," Which is really a bad model, but it seems to be it.

At this point, I worry that the only way we'll see a new "Monday Night War" is if WWE loses another point in the ratings, not if TNA pulls their act together. I HOPE I'm wrong, because I have trouble believing WWE will lose another full point.
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Old 10-16-2007, 12:40 PM   #50
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Also, was that the only line in KK's post you read? I didn't say Russo was good, or bad. What I had said was, he has the least say and pull of anyone writing TNA. Is the product still shit? Yes. Would firing Russo change things? No. Is Russo even close to being the problem? Not really.

Fact is TNA's writing and creative direction are shit. When the fans chant "Fire Russo" it goes to show how little TNA fans actually know. But the fact is they are displeased and unhappy, and obviously want change.

Dixie Carter is no smarter than the fans in that aspect, she's just on the other side of the fence. Obviously she personally feels there is nothing wrong, since she claims they have the best storylines in wrestling, and that they offer the best product. I don't think the problem stops at the writing team, it goes beyond it to the management and the owners.
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