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Old 11-10-2007, 02:49 AM   #41
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I love Bret as much as the next Bret lover, however, he was on a local radio show earlier this week talking about his book. The hosts weren't wrestling fans anymore since like the 80's so they dont' know what's going on. Bret brought up the screwjob and more than once. Yeah he's hurt by it, but come on, get over it already. In the ring, Best ever. On the mic, good enough, getting over 10 year old shit, he fails.
yeah i watched that and was surprised by how much Bret steered the convo to the screwjob. I dunno, I don't see a problem with him making money off the WWE still. It's not like he's the only one to ever have a hate on for Vince, yet still make money off the guy.
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Old 11-10-2007, 09:47 AM   #42
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Except, the book that he just released what, a few weeks ago? Is full of his whining about the "10 year old" shit that he's "over." I enjoyed Bret Hart's work as a wrestler but damn sometimes you just have to get over something.
Don't worry, Mac and Zenny both end up crushing themselves with their self-serving logic.
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Old 11-10-2007, 12:00 PM   #43
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WTF??? Come on guys......it's been 10 years...get over it.....
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Old 11-10-2007, 12:01 PM   #44
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No...but seriously...Bret Hart is my favourite wrestler of all time bar none...and it sucked what happened to him. I can understand why hed be angry, but he at least seems to be getting over it slightly...say what you want I guess and I'm kinda rambling here....but to a certain extent I can understand Vince's side as well.

(EDIT) and I also agree with Stickman here:

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I love Bret as much as the next Bret lover, however, he was on a local radio show earlier this week talking about his book. The hosts weren't wrestling fans anymore since like the 80's so they dont' know what's going on. Bret brought up the screwjob and more than once. Yeah he's hurt by it, but come on, get over it already. In the ring, Best ever. On the mic, good enough, getting over 10 year old shit, he fails.
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For the record, I think what Vince did was a shitty way to resolve a dispute, and that it was bad business.

On the other hand, you look at the end result, and how retarded the argument is back and forth, that alone should probably have killed the discussion.

But wrestling fans don't let go of the past.
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Old 11-10-2007, 12:19 PM   #46
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its still 1997 to us dammit
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Ten years removed from the event, Shawn Michaels is main eventing Survivor Series.

Ten years removed from the event, Bret Hart is crying about something he could have prevented.

Who's lost his smile now? Hmmmmm?
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Who's lost his smile now? Hmmmmm?
Jesus Christ, man, I'm sorry I lost your smile. I said I'd get you a new one!
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You know what? Say whatever you will about Bret, Montreal, or whatever, but when the only people on Hart's side are a bunch of fucking morons, what more can you say?

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Ten years removed from the event, Shawn Michaels is main eventing Survivor Series.

Ten years removed from the event, Bret Hart is crying about something he could have prevented.

Who's lost his smile now? Hmmmmm?
Ten years ago, one of them cried on national TV about losing his smile.

Since then, the other had 8 concussions in 3 weeks that ended his career as well as a major stroke to which he had almost fully recovered from. Oh and he never cried on national TV about it either.

That's all.
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Rob that is all true but so is the facts that Bret Hart hasn't moved past that night.
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Rob that is all true but so is the facts that Bret Hart hasn't moved past that night.
That's not a fact. It's an opinion.
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Why does he speak of it so much then? Even when asked about his carrer he speaks of that night in Montreal above all else.
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Why does he speak of it so much then? Even when asked about his carrer he speaks of that night in Montreal above all else.
1 - He is continuously asked about it
2 - It was the biggest thing ever to happen in wrestling at the time. Still top 3 stories now.
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Why does he speak of it so much then? Even when asked about his carrer he speaks of that night in Montreal above all else.
Like it or not, agree with it or not, it's wrestling history, and a major, definining moment in wrestling. Over it or not, it's a huge element.
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So Rob you are now saying that you do agree with me. But for a different reason. Now you say Bret speaks about it because it was a big moment in wrestling. Not that it's because he can't get past it. ?
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On what grounds is Rob agreeing with you?
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That Bret talks about 1997 Montreal
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That Bret talks about 1997 Montreal
Was that ever in contention?
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To me from Rob, yes. I say he can't get past it. He says that is my opinion. To me if he was past it he wouldn't always what to talk about it. But now Rob stating that it is because it was such a big moment. That is the first time I hear Rob at least say Bret talk about it.
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Good job trying to bridge one notion with another. Especially when the other notion was never contended, at all.
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To me from Rob, yes. I say he can't get past it. He says that is my opinion. To me if he was past it he wouldn't always what to talk about it. But now Rob stating that it is because it was such a big moment. That is the first time I hear Rob at least say Bret talk about it.
You fucking idiot. 9/11 was a huge incident. So if people talk about it they can't get over it?
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TBH Bret was leaving for WCW so i don't blame vince/shawn/hhh/hebner for screwing him out of the title. He can't expect to leave WWF and just be champion while he's working for another company.
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TBH Bret was leaving for WCW so i don't blame vince/shawn/hhh/hebner for screwing him out of the title. He can't expect to leave WWF and just be champion while he's working for another company.
Yeah, which is probably why they had an agreement going which was amicable and would have dealt with that.

Which kind of makes that sort of logic moot.

I mean, I know it's hard to imagine that there are other ways of resolving conflicts other than "screwing" people, but I've discovered a couple.
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TBH Bret was leaving for WCW so i don't blame vince/shawn/hhh/hebner for screwing him out of the title. He can't expect to leave WWF and just be champion while he's working for another company.
uhh, I really hate arguing this because it's been done to death. you rarely see me arguing it anymore. but what gets me if the people like yourself who still don't know all the facts.

Bret was not going to WCW right after Survivor Series. He had a few dates left, Including Raw, where he was going to drop the Title. It's not like he was leaving with the Title
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Bret was not going to WCW right after Survivor Series. He had a few dates left, Including Raw, where he was going to drop the Title. It's not like he was leaving with the Title
It's nice to see people not arguing from a stance of total fucking ignorance.
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hey, I have been guilty of being ignorant on the whole thing before. But you look back now and yea, everyone involved here were wrong in some way

Bret should have agreed to drop the Title in Montreal. It's a work; a fake show. You do what's best for the show and for business. I know he had creative control and it was dickead HBK, but still. I know Bret was willing to job after the show/before the show, but not on the PPV. He really wanted to forfeit the Title afterwards on Raw, but that's a HBK move and it's stupid.

Vince and HBK (Hunter, Earl, production guys etc..) all guilty of lies and srewing a guy that was there for 14 years. You just don't do that. Vince is the owner. He should of been man enough to say fuck you to Bret up front and not going behind his back.
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You fucking idiot. 9/11 was a huge incident. So if people talk about it they can't get over it?

did u just compare the '97 screwjob in Montreal to Sept. 11 2001?

If any body calls me an idiot again, go ahead, but never forget this guy's' comment.
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Old 11-12-2007, 11:30 AM   #71
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I will post for guys a review of Brets book. Just to change that other topics.

-BOOK REVIEW-

The Bottom Line

Bret Hart liked to refer to himself as the best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be. While some might argue that statement in regards to his career and DVD, it can not be debated when it comes to his book. If Mick Foley's first book set the bar by which all other wrestling books are measured then this book has significantly raised the bar.

Pros
By far, the most words in a wrestling book.
Bret was a part of almost every major change in the industry for 20 years.
Bret doesn't just dish the dirt on others; he also fairly discusses his own faults.
Many false rumors that have been accepted as facts have been rebuked.

Cons
A reader needs to know a little about the sport to appreciate the stories in the book.
You need a scorecard to keep track of all the Hart relatives; a family tree would have been nice.

Description

The book is currently only available in Canada.
The book is 592 pages.

The font of the words is by far the smallest for any wrestling book.
Guide Review - Hitman by Bret Hart

Bret tells a story of death, drug abuse, jealousy, spousal abuse, adultery, and divorce. And that is just about the members of the Hart family. Amazingly, when Bret discusses the insane world of wrestling his life appears to be normal. And his discussion of the world of wrestling is by far the greatest look at the inner workings of the industry that has ever been written. Since he is no longer active in the sport and has no fears about having to please Vince McMahon he writes whatever he pleases about the company and the world of wrestling with no fear of retribution.

However, there is a huge cloud of sadness that surrounds this book. While the overall story describes the death of the sport as he grew up knowing it, there is just way too much death that has led to that. Bret talks about the pressures and the ways that wrestlers coped with those pressures that has led to the epidemic that is in the news right now. As Bret discusses all of his friends in the business doing what they did, you just knew that these stories all had a tragic ending. Amazingly, after reading this book I can't believe that there are not even more dead wrestlers.

One of the best things about this book is that so many rumors that have been reported as fact over the years have been refuted (ex: the original ending of the Final Four Match, and why Bret lost the Intercontinental Championship). Of course Bret goes into detail about the Montreal Screwjob and the death of his brother Owen. The story about Owen is sure to make any person with an ounce of empathy furious at the WWE, their lawyers, and many members of the Hart family.
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Old 11-12-2007, 11:31 AM   #72
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no i did not write that I copied from a site
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Old 11-12-2007, 11:51 AM   #73
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Old 11-12-2007, 12:03 PM   #74
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Why is there a need for a new Montreal/Bret Hart topic every week?
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Old 11-12-2007, 12:04 PM   #75
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did u just compare the '97 screwjob in Montreal to Sept. 11 2001?
Let's back up.

What Rob said was valid. What you said was not.
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Old 11-12-2007, 12:05 PM   #76
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Why is there a need for a new Montreal/Bret Hart topic every week?
we can;'t let the terroisrist win!
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Old 11-12-2007, 12:07 PM   #77
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Terrorists support the fact that Vince screwed Bret. Everyone knows Louie the popcorn vendor is the real culprit
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Old 11-12-2007, 12:07 PM   #78
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$10 says Bret comes back at SS and "screws" Shawn out of the title.

But I'm a Bret fan, so this happening would be awesome to me just to see Bret again, forget the whole overplayed Montreal aspect, and is most likely a pipe dream. Maybe Bret is the save_us guy.
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Old 11-12-2007, 01:52 PM   #79
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did u just compare the '97 screwjob in Montreal to Sept. 11 2001?

If any body calls me an idiot again, go ahead, but never forget this guy's' comment.
FUCKING IDIOT!
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Old 11-12-2007, 01:56 PM   #80
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